Safe Landing

LebamDawg

Saw this on twitter - if those numbers are accurate it would seem logical to take a deep dive into every government estimate

https://twitter.com/JohnStossel/status/1289996535384743937

Swaye

The government sucks at everything it touches.

HHusky

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

NorthwestFresh

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

Our? military is actually elite. Best in the world. Perhaps Elon can help build an educational system that works. Not best in the world.

Nice job criticizing the military, Drunken Fatso.

HHusky

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

Our? military is actually elite. Best in the world.

Swaye says this is impossible.

NorthwestFresh

HHusky said:

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

Our? military is actually elite. Best in the world.

Swaye says this is impossible.

Nice job editing my post.

HHusky

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

Our? military is actually elite. Best in the world.

Swaye says this is impossible.

Nice job editing my post.

I just wish private industry would have built the 737 Max.

MikeDamone

HHusky said:

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

Our? military is actually elite. Best in the world.

Swaye says this is impossible.

Nice job editing my post.

I just wish private industry would have built the 737 Max.

I wish the government would have forced your mom to abort you. But they even fucked that up.

PurpleThrobber

HHusky said:

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

Our? military is actually elite. Best in the world.

Swaye says this is impossible.

Nice job editing my post.

I just wish private industry would have built the 737 Max.

Typical disintegrationist response.

Goduckies

737 max is fine pilots weren't trained properly.

HHusky

Goduckies said:

737 max is fine pilots weren't trained properly.

Damn government trainers!

Sledog

LebamDawg said:

Saw this on twitter - if those numbers are accurate it would seem logical to take a deep dive into every government estimate

https://twitter.com/JohnStossel/status/1289996535384743937

Was Obama ever right? Useless people have Useless information and knowledge.

Swaye

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

I doubt Elon could make the military more effective at its core job, which is projecting power, influencing geopolitics, and killing Americas enemies, but I guarantee you he could do it more efficiently (cheaper). Even when the government is elite in performance, it is horribly inefficient. We, as taxpayers, should expect both. Jobs done to high level at the least expense. You never get that with the government. Usually you get shitty performance at shitty cost. Every once in awhile you get lucky and get one of the two, like our military. ROI is always terrible with the government.

WestlinnDuck

The US Navy is having a hard time. Can't build new carriers that work and the new destroyers are also having a big struggle. Navigation skills are lacking. The basic blocking and tackling skills aren't being taught.

creepycoug

Swaye said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

I doubt Elon could make the military more effective at its core job, which is projecting power, influencing geopolitics, and killing Americas enemies, but I guarantee you he could do it more efficiently (cheaper). Even when the government is elite in performance, it is horribly inefficient. We, as taxpayers, should expect both. Jobs done to high level at the least expense. You never get that with the government. Usually you get shitty performance at shitty cost. Every once in awhile you get lucky and get one of the two, like our military. ROI is always terrible with the government.

This. And, it would be more elite because the social program wing of the military wouldn't exist, freeing up capital for even more bad-ass automated weaponry, which you know full fucking well that Elon can make. I've never understood the Yuge intellectual exception in their collective views on government that conservatives make for the military. It's downright emotional. I mean, how can any self-respecting right winger and lover of liberty possibly uphold anything related to the draft?

Trump is right: get the fuck OUT of every fucking little dog fight we're in, anywhere, and shrink that motherfucker down and, when that's done, don't re-allocate the budget and give me a fucking tax break.

LesGrossman

Swaye said:

I doubt Elon could make the military more effective at its core job, which is projecting power, influencing geopolitics, and killing Americas enemies, but I guarantee you he could do it more efficiently (cheaper). Even when the government is elite in performance, it is horribly inefficient. We, as taxpayers, should expect both. Jobs done to high level at the least expense. You never get that with the government. Usually you get shitty performance at shitty cost. Every once in awhile you get lucky and get one of the two, like our military. ROI is always terrible with the government.

Akin to other projects in life -- instead of "Good, Fast, Cheap -- pick two", it's "Bad, Slow, Expensive -- pick two". Although it can also be the trifecta of horrible and you get them all.

creepycoug

NorthwestFresh said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

Our? military is actually elite. Best in the world. Perhaps Elon can help build an educational system that works. Not best in the world.

Nice job criticizing the military, Drunken Fatso.

Uh, isn't he saying the opposite?

BennyBeaver

Does anyone know how much govt. subsidies SpaceX has received?

GrundleStiltzkin

creepycoug said:

Swaye said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

I doubt Elon could make the military more effective at its core job, which is projecting power, influencing geopolitics, and killing Americas enemies, but I guarantee you he could do it more efficiently (cheaper). Even when the government is elite in performance, it is horribly inefficient. We, as taxpayers, should expect both. Jobs done to high level at the least expense. You never get that with the government. Usually you get shitty performance at shitty cost. Every once in awhile you get lucky and get one of the two, like our military. ROI is always terrible with the government.

This. And, it would be more elite because the social program wing of the military wouldn't exist, freeing up capital for even more bad-ass automated weaponry, which you know full fucking well that Elon can make. I've never understood the Yuge intellectual exception in their collective views on government that conservatives make for the military. It's downright emotional. I mean, how can any self-respecting right winger and lover of liberty possibly uphold anything related to the draft?

Trump is right: get the fuck OUT of every fucking little dog fight we're in, anywhere, and shrink that motherfucker down and, when that's done, don't re-allocate the budget and give me a fucking tax break.

Here's how I look at the military. The military is rightly imbued with the monopoly of force against foreign actors. As a monopoly and a government entity, it will be bloated, inefficient and wasteful. Weº should constantly endeavor to limit that as much as possible. At the same tim, replacing the military with a non-governmental solution is essentially impossible. Therein lies the tension.

Until the Korean War, the US military vacillated betwixt too small, just right, and too big. It's always fascinated me that 5 years after assembling the greatest military force the world had ever seen, weº struggled to scrape together a competent and equipped ground force to send to Korea. Since then, @TheChart has been pretty steady upwards.

GrundleStiltzkin

creepycoug said:

Trump is right: get the fuck OUT of every fucking little dog fight we're in, anywhere, and shrink that motherfucker down and, when that's done, don't re-allocate the budget and give me a fucking tax break.

That's the external manifestation of the paradox of prosperity. When weº barely have a pot to piss in, we don't care and can't care about some internecine conflict 10,000 miles away. More wealth, more capability, we have more capacity and chinclination to fix problems of increasingly smaller proportion. It takes structural limitations and discerning leadership to avoid that.

UW_Doog_Bot

creepycoug said:

Swaye said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

The government sucks at everything it touches.

Maybe Elon will build us a military.

I doubt Elon could make the military more effective at its core job, which is projecting power, influencing geopolitics, and killing Americas enemies, but I guarantee you he could do it more efficiently (cheaper). Even when the government is elite in performance, it is horribly inefficient. We, as taxpayers, should expect both. Jobs done to high level at the least expense. You never get that with the government. Usually you get shitty performance at shitty cost. Every once in awhile you get lucky and get one of the two, like our military. ROI is always terrible with the government.

This. And, it would be more elite because the social program wing of the military wouldn't exist, freeing up capital for even more bad-ass automated weaponry, which you know full fucking well that Elon can make. I've never understood the Yuge intellectual exception in their collective views on government that conservatives make for the military. It's downright emotional. I mean, how can any self-respecting right winger and lover of liberty possibly uphold anything related to the draft?

Trump is right: get the fuck OUT of every fucking little dog fight we're in, anywhere, and shrink that motherfucker down and, when that's done, don't re-allocate the budget and give me a fucking tax break.

There's this concept of negative externality, a negative consequence born out by society at large rather than simply the economic actors themselves.

If there is a large enough negative externality this is precisely where you DO have a role for government to play. To either mitigate that negative externality to society at large or to impose the costs back on the original economic actors.

In the case of the military private security would present a rather large negative externality of whoever is paying for the security would have an out-size amount of power over society among many other obvious negatives.

Hence, we have a rather large net positive outcome despite all of the inefficiency, waste, and corruption of a government run military. This is literally, "This is a terrible system but we don't have any better option."