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georgiaduck
georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,635 Swaye's Wigwam
Of the seven defense attorneys (three of them black) in Louisville who don't believe the cops involved in the death of Breanna Taylor should be charged for murder/manslaughter. Weigh their opinion vs legal expertise of Lebron or Beyonce

https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-officers-not-charged-breonna-100516825.html

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Other lawyers said if police are not allowed to return fire when they are shot at, nobody would be willing to work as an officer.

    All the attorneys contacted by The Courier Journal described Taylor’s death as a tragedy and several said her family deserves to be compensated by the city for their loss.

    “This case is an unmitigated disaster,” Shouse said. “It stinks to high heaven. We can either acknowledge this and make much needed reforms, or we can do what appears to be happening: using the same old playbook and hoping this mess will blow over. It won't.”

    Three months after the Taylor shooting, the city banned no knock warrants. However, Shouse suggested two other reforms: assigning warrant applications to judges at random, rather than letting police officers shop for one they think will be accommodating, and recording the conversations between judges and officers.

    “Every other interaction between a judge and a player in the criminal justice system is recorded," he said. “Why not this?”


    I have to agree that if you shoot at a cop all bets are off. Also think the no knock warrant for minor charges in the middle of the night is going to continue to have this happen

    Don't know if they're lying but the cops claim they did knock. Can't tell you how many times I read about this story in the press and never saw it mentioned that her boyfriend fired at the police before she was killed. Doesn't excuse her being killed but her old drug dealer boyfriend who was still using her residence as drop house shouldn't be ignored.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    so, legalize drugs- Save Lives?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,236 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    Other lawyers said if police are not allowed to return fire when they are shot at, nobody would be willing to work as an officer.

    All the attorneys contacted by The Courier Journal described Taylor’s death as a tragedy and several said her family deserves to be compensated by the city for their loss.

    “This case is an unmitigated disaster,” Shouse said. “It stinks to high heaven. We can either acknowledge this and make much needed reforms, or we can do what appears to be happening: using the same old playbook and hoping this mess will blow over. It won't.”

    Three months after the Taylor shooting, the city banned no knock warrants. However, Shouse suggested two other reforms: assigning warrant applications to judges at random, rather than letting police officers shop for one they think will be accommodating, and recording the conversations between judges and officers.

    “Every other interaction between a judge and a player in the criminal justice system is recorded," he said. “Why not this?”


    I have to agree that if you shoot at a cop all bets are off. Also think the no knock warrant for minor charges in the middle of the night is going to continue to have this happen

    Don't know if they're lying but the cops claim they did knock. Can't tell you how many times I read about this story in the press and never saw it mentioned that her boyfriend fired at the police before she was killed. Doesn't excuse her being killed but her old drug dealer boyfriend who was still using her residence as drop house shouldn't be ignored.
    I hadn't been following that close and it was just today that I read about the cops getting shot at.
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,316
    I am for whatever puts pigs in jail
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited July 2020

    Other lawyers said if police are not allowed to return fire when they are shot at, nobody would be willing to work as an officer.

    All the attorneys contacted by The Courier Journal described Taylor’s death as a tragedy and several said her family deserves to be compensated by the city for their loss.

    “This case is an unmitigated disaster,” Shouse said. “It stinks to high heaven. We can either acknowledge this and make much needed reforms, or we can do what appears to be happening: using the same old playbook and hoping this mess will blow over. It won't.”

    Three months after the Taylor shooting, the city banned no knock warrants. However, Shouse suggested two other reforms: assigning warrant applications to judges at random, rather than letting police officers shop for one they think will be accommodating, and recording the conversations between judges and officers.

    “Every other interaction between a judge and a player in the criminal justice system is recorded," he said. “Why not this?”


    I have to agree that if you shoot at a cop all bets are off. Also think the no knock warrant for minor charges in the middle of the night is going to continue to have this happen

    That's encouraging. Basically lifted right from that Warrior Cop book.

    No-knock raids should be accessible, and very rare.
    Federal agencies searching friendly judges for no-knock warrants is still fine, though. Especially when you tip off friendly media to cover the raid. That’s just good policing.

    https://youtu.be/dWTzCNY7_YY

  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    I eagerly await the Dazzler's Guardhouse Lawyer insights.
  • Blu82
    Blu82 Member Posts: 1,673

    Of the seven defense attorneys (three of them black) in Louisville who don't believe the cops involved in the death of Breanna Taylor should be charged for murder/manslaughter. Weigh their opinion vs legal expertise of Lebron or Beyonce

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-officers-not-charged-breonna-100516825.html

    Lebron James is a loud mouthed, uneducated moron.
    A true case of idiots listening and taking guidance from someone whose only expertise is playing with a ball.
    Education and societal thought processes continue to reach new lows.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,910 Standard Supporter
    I never applied for or served a no knock warrant.
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,005 Standard Supporter
    They happen a lot in drug cases
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,316
    edited August 2020
    I like to be a white and pretend I know what a no knock raid really means or does that’s what I like to do

    You motherfuckers would shit your britches with the cops busting in your house with a no knock raid. They could come in and rape and your wife and your kids and you wouldn’t do a goddamn thing
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,005 Standard Supporter
    Cops would have no reason to give me a no knock raid, but if someone else comes in I would grab my bat or my roommates gun
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,063 Standard Supporter
    HuskyJW said:

    I am for whatever puts pigs in jail

    If all the pigs are going to be in jail what then will you do for a girlfriend ?
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,063 Standard Supporter
    HuskyJW said:

    I like to be a white and pretend I know what a no knock raid really means or does that’s what I like to do

    You motherfuckers would shit your britches with the cops busting in your house with a no knock raid. They could come in and rape and your wife and your kids and you wouldn’t do a goddamn thing

    Wow. Someone needs to stop watching Steven Segal movies. I bet you own every one.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,674 Standard Supporter
    Goduckies said:

    Cops would have no reason to give me a no knock raid, but if someone else comes in I would grab my bat or my roommates gun

    The problem is that at times the cops get the address wrong or a transcription error occurs. When they raid the wrong home, it doesn't matter that you aren't the small time drug dealer.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Houhusky said:

    I’ve worked hard enough to be able to live in a nice quiet part of town where nothing happens. There is zero chance I’m not firing at someone If I wake up at 3 am to mass confusion and someone violently breaking down my door or window regardless of what they are yelling.

    No knock raids should not be a thing except for super high level organizational types like the Epsteins or Chapos of the world.

    Precisely. There are exigencies where no-knocks are warranted (lulz). I think those are exceedingly rare.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,910 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2020
    Goduckies said:

    They happen a lot in drug cases

    Not in my experience. At least not in Kali and I served warrants on several of the large motorcycle gangs, street gangs etc. Not just in frog cases either. Murderers, armored car robbers, bank robbers gang manners etc. It's an extraordinary measure in my experience.

    I'm certainly of the "if someone is breaking down my door and I don't know who they are" camp there WILL be gunfire. Lots of gunfire.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    HuskyJW said:

    I am for whatever puts pigs in jail

    Profound
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    HuskyJW said:

    I like to be a white and pretend I know what a no knock raid really means or does that’s what I like to do

    You motherfuckers would shit your britches with the cops busting in your house with a no knock raid. They could come in and rape and your wife and your kids and you wouldn’t do a goddamn thing

    Speaking from experience?
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter

    Goduckies said:

    Cops would have no reason to give me a no knock raid, but if someone else comes in I would grab my bat or my roommates gun

    The problem is that at times the cops get the address wrong or a transcription error occurs. When they raid the wrong home, it doesn't matter that you aren't the small time drug dealer.
    The entire basis for the No Knock raid is to catch the perps by surprise in order to avoid evidence destruction and/or a firefight or drawn out siege due to available weaponry in the house.

    There will always be criminal apologists who will link them to skin color, slavery, systemic racism, or some other chapter of the Readers Digest Grievance Manual, whom will then allege they never happen to white people. Total, evidence-free bullshit.
  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,635 Swaye's Wigwam

    Goduckies said:

    Cops would have no reason to give me a no knock raid, but if someone else comes in I would grab my bat or my roommates gun

    The problem is that at times the cops get the address wrong or a transcription error occurs. When they raid the wrong home, it doesn't matter that you aren't the small time drug dealer.
    Happened to a buddy of min from work. Cops had the wrong address and knocked on his door at 2:00AM guns drawn. He was able to explain to them the house they were looking for was across the street.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,910 Standard Supporter
    Hopefully that was a long time ago. We normally verified the address a number of ways and times before obtaining the warrant.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    Hopefully that was a long time ago. We normally verified the address a number of ways and times before obtaining the warrant.

    Not to mention a local judge signed off on the warrant. Not that it matters.