The Science of Masks...

HoustonHusky

Hey look...actual data.

https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1287188857188827137?s=20

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3654517

And Sweden's view on masks...

https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1287377491359916033?s=20

Sledog

Very few wearing masks here in America even though the idiot governor issued an order. I have a feeling he won't be re-elected.

LoneStarDawg

Anders Tegnell is about as popular in Sweden as Fauci is on this board.

I agree masks likely only have a secondary effect at best. But I’d choose a mask over an expedited m-RNA vaccine every day of the week

SFGbob

If I go into a store or when I've gone into my office I'll wear one just to ease the concerns of the people who are around me but wearing a mask when I'm out walking the dog or riding my bike, which I've seen plenty of people do, is a little ridiculous.

Purely an anecdotal observation but I'm down in LA this weekend. Spent the first night down here near Compton, spent last night near where OJ killed his wife. Way more mask wearing in Brentwood then in Compton.

LoneStarDawg

True, if you’re outdoors and the sun is out, covid is getting torched by UV. No need for masks unless you’re all up in strangers shit

PurpleThrobber

LoneStarDawg said:

True, if you’re outdoors and the sun is out, covid is getting torched by UV. No need for masks unless you’re all up in strangers shit

@VitaminDdawg, true?

GrundleStiltzkin

“ I personally believe that this is a disease we are going to have to learn to live with.”
Bingo.


Also, overly emotive pro/con mask arguments need to die in an autoclave

creepycoug

I see a guy saying that social distancing works best, and if people wear masks they get stupid(er) and start dirty dancing with strangers. Ok. Good data point.

I'll still go with the current bidding from UC SF Med, Mayo Clinic and UW Med, among others, none of which even imply they are close to 100% effective.

It's dumb in your car, while you're watering your grass or taking a walk. I've been on golf courses non-stop for the last 9 days and haven't worn one outside of the clubhouse. But I did wear one in there, and didn't pause to think if I was putting a dent in my patriot credentials, for two reasons: (1) it puts others at ease and hence promotes commerce, and (2) there seems to some probability they are at least incrementally helpful.

Does the meat packing plant "study" raise doubt? Not immediately (I didn't make it past the abstract).

Findings
Transmissions occurred in a confined area of a meat processing plant in which air is constantly re-circulated and cooled to 10°C.

Interpretation
Our results indicate climate conditions and airflow as factors that can promote efficient spread of SARS-CoV-2 ....

I'm not married to this. Show me some conclusive authority they don't work and I'm done wearing 'em. I don't enjoy the experience at all and would be happy to stop.

creepycoug

GrundleStiltzkin said:

“ I personally believe that this is a disease we are going to have to learn to live with.”
Bingo.


Also, overly emotive pro/con mask arguments need to die in an autoclave

No shit. It's boring and I would love to not wear one. But Jesus if it's 20% helpful and plays any part in ending this nightmare then I'll fucking do it until someone other than political bannanas tell me I'm just being controlled.

GrundleStiltzkin

creepycoug said:

I see a guy saying that social distancing works best, and if people wear masks they get stupid(er) and start dirty dancing with strangers. Ok. Good data point.

I'll still go with the current bidding from UC SF Med, Mayo Clinic and UW Med, among others, none of which even imply they are close to 100% effective.

It's dumb in your car, while you're watering your grass or taking a walk. I've been on golf courses non-stop for the last 9 days and haven't worn one outside of the clubhouse. But I did wear one in there, and didn't pause to think if I was putting a dent in my patriot credentials, for two reasons: (1) it puts others at ease and hence promotes commerce, and (2) there seems to some probability they are at least incrementally helpful.

Does the meat packing plant "study" raise doubt? Not immediately (I didn't make it past the abstract).

Findings
Transmissions occurred in a confined area of a meat processing plant in which air is constantly re-circulated and cooled to 10°C.

Interpretation
Our results indicate climate conditions and airflow as factors that can promote efficient spread of SARS-CoV-2 ....

I'm not married to this. Show me some conclusive authority they don't work and I'm done wearing 'em. I don't enjoy the experience at all and would be happy to stop.

I’ve linked a CDC study here a couple tims that find non-clinical interventions, including masks and hand washing, are not effective in limiting flu transmission. Plus the many public health officials telling people not to wear them in March. I don’t think wearing a mask is a big deal, but I am sympathetic to a degree with people who question it.



Yes, yes, ITS NOT TEH FLUE!!!

I’ll show myself out.

LebamDawg

I was up in TacTownTuff on Thirstday - never wore a mask. Ate at Pacific Southern (good soul food) and the restaurant employees wore masks covering their upper lip not the snooze.

Every place we went I would say 75% were totally covered by masks, another 10-15% were like me and wore a mask just over the lip not the nose.

it is getting to be like newly shorn sheople out there.

jecornel

The other is are people covering their nose? Do they take it off and on? See that a lot a stores.

The meat packing plant has many variables and whether people were committed to wearing them correctly. We’re they N95’s or just cloth?

creepycoug

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

I see a guy saying that social distancing works best, and if people wear masks they get stupid(er) and start dirty dancing with strangers. Ok. Good data point.

I'll still go with the current bidding from UC SF Med, Mayo Clinic and UW Med, among others, none of which even imply they are close to 100% effective.

It's dumb in your car, while you're watering your grass or taking a walk. I've been on golf courses non-stop for the last 9 days and haven't worn one outside of the clubhouse. But I did wear one in there, and didn't pause to think if I was putting a dent in my patriot credentials, for two reasons: (1) it puts others at ease and hence promotes commerce, and (2) there seems to some probability they are at least incrementally helpful.

Does the meat packing plant "study" raise doubt? Not immediately (I didn't make it past the abstract).

Findings
Transmissions occurred in a confined area of a meat processing plant in which air is constantly re-circulated and cooled to 10°C.

Interpretation
Our results indicate climate conditions and airflow as factors that can promote efficient spread of SARS-CoV-2 ....

I'm not married to this. Show me some conclusive authority they don't work and I'm done wearing 'em. I don't enjoy the experience at all and would be happy to stop.

I’ve linked a CDC study here a couple tims that find non-clinical interventions, including masks and hand washing, are not effective in limiting flu transmission. Plus the many public health officials telling people not to wear them in March. I don’t think wearing a mask is a big deal, but I am sympathetic to a degree with people who question it.



Yes, yes, ITS NOT TEH FLUE!!!

I’ll show myself out.

And I linked (I think) a piece by UCSF both clarifying that they are helpful and explaining the CDC flip in March and flop in whenever it was.

Has the CDC flip flopped again? IDK; I've been golfing. Like I said, show me something. I normally assume that the good and smart people at one of the very very best medical schools in the world are not conspiring to control people with masks. Again, I'm happy to junk it if it's not helping; for although I look pretty good in a mask, I find they fog up my glasses. But what you gave me here doesn't quite get there, which you probably knew.

GrundleStiltzkin

creepycoug said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

I see a guy saying that social distancing works best, and if people wear masks they get stupid(er) and start dirty dancing with strangers. Ok. Good data point.

I'll still go with the current bidding from UC SF Med, Mayo Clinic and UW Med, among others, none of which even imply they are close to 100% effective.

It's dumb in your car, while you're watering your grass or taking a walk. I've been on golf courses non-stop for the last 9 days and haven't worn one outside of the clubhouse. But I did wear one in there, and didn't pause to think if I was putting a dent in my patriot credentials, for two reasons: (1) it puts others at ease and hence promotes commerce, and (2) there seems to some probability they are at least incrementally helpful.

Does the meat packing plant "study" raise doubt? Not immediately (I didn't make it past the abstract).

Findings
Transmissions occurred in a confined area of a meat processing plant in which air is constantly re-circulated and cooled to 10°C.

Interpretation
Our results indicate climate conditions and airflow as factors that can promote efficient spread of SARS-CoV-2 ....

I'm not married to this. Show me some conclusive authority they don't work and I'm done wearing 'em. I don't enjoy the experience at all and would be happy to stop.

I’ve linked a CDC study here a couple tims that find non-clinical interventions, including masks and hand washing, are not effective in limiting flu transmission. Plus the many public health officials telling people not to wear them in March. I don’t think wearing a mask is a big deal, but I am sympathetic to a degree with people who question it.



Yes, yes, ITS NOT TEH FLUE!!!

I’ll show myself out.

And I linked (I think) a piece by UCSF both clarifying that they are helpful and explaining the CDC flip in March and flop in whenever it was.

Has the CDC flip flopped again? IDK; I've been golfing. Like I said, show me something. I normally assume that the good and smart people at one of the very very best medical schools in the world are not conspiring to control people with masks. Again, I'm happy to junk it if it's not helping; for although I look pretty good in a mask, I find they fog up my glasses. But what you gave me here doesn't quite get there, which you probably knew.

I don’t really care about your health, tbh

creepycoug

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

I see a guy saying that social distancing works best, and if people wear masks they get stupid(er) and start dirty dancing with strangers. Ok. Good data point.

I'll still go with the current bidding from UC SF Med, Mayo Clinic and UW Med, among others, none of which even imply they are close to 100% effective.

It's dumb in your car, while you're watering your grass or taking a walk. I've been on golf courses non-stop for the last 9 days and haven't worn one outside of the clubhouse. But I did wear one in there, and didn't pause to think if I was putting a dent in my patriot credentials, for two reasons: (1) it puts others at ease and hence promotes commerce, and (2) there seems to some probability they are at least incrementally helpful.

Does the meat packing plant "study" raise doubt? Not immediately (I didn't make it past the abstract).

Findings
Transmissions occurred in a confined area of a meat processing plant in which air is constantly re-circulated and cooled to 10°C.

Interpretation
Our results indicate climate conditions and airflow as factors that can promote efficient spread of SARS-CoV-2 ....

I'm not married to this. Show me some conclusive authority they don't work and I'm done wearing 'em. I don't enjoy the experience at all and would be happy to stop.

I’ve linked a CDC study here a couple tims that find non-clinical interventions, including masks and hand washing, are not effective in limiting flu transmission. Plus the many public health officials telling people not to wear them in March. I don’t think wearing a mask is a big deal, but I am sympathetic to a degree with people who question it.



Yes, yes, ITS NOT TEH FLUE!!!

I’ll show myself out.

And I linked (I think) a piece by UCSF both clarifying that they are helpful and explaining the CDC flip in March and flop in whenever it was.

Has the CDC flip flopped again? IDK; I've been golfing. Like I said, show me something. I normally assume that the good and smart people at one of the very very best medical schools in the world are not conspiring to control people with masks. Again, I'm happy to junk it if it's not helping; for although I look pretty good in a mask, I find they fog up my glasses. But what you gave me here doesn't quite get there, which you probably knew.

I don’t really care about your health, tbh

That's really sad; I really care about yours.

Try a little humanity in your life. It will warm your heart.

GrundleStiltzkin

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

I see a guy saying that social distancing works best, and if people wear masks they get stupid(er) and start dirty dancing with strangers. Ok. Good data point.

I'll still go with the current bidding from UC SF Med, Mayo Clinic and UW Med, among others, none of which even imply they are close to 100% effective.

It's dumb in your car, while you're watering your grass or taking a walk. I've been on golf courses non-stop for the last 9 days and haven't worn one outside of the clubhouse. But I did wear one in there, and didn't pause to think if I was putting a dent in my patriot credentials, for two reasons: (1) it puts others at ease and hence promotes commerce, and (2) there seems to some probability they are at least incrementally helpful.

Does the meat packing plant "study" raise doubt? Not immediately (I didn't make it past the abstract).

Findings
Transmissions occurred in a confined area of a meat processing plant in which air is constantly re-circulated and cooled to 10°C.

Interpretation
Our results indicate climate conditions and airflow as factors that can promote efficient spread of SARS-CoV-2 ....

I'm not married to this. Show me some conclusive authority they don't work and I'm done wearing 'em. I don't enjoy the experience at all and would be happy to stop.

I’ve linked a CDC study here a couple tims that find non-clinical interventions, including masks and hand washing, are not effective in limiting flu transmission. Plus the many public health officials telling people not to wear them in March. I don’t think wearing a mask is a big deal, but I am sympathetic to a degree with people who question it.



Yes, yes, ITS NOT TEH FLUE!!!

I’ll show myself out.

And I linked (I think) a piece by UCSF both clarifying that they are helpful and explaining the CDC flip in March and flop in whenever it was.

Has the CDC flip flopped again? IDK; I've been golfing. Like I said, show me something. I normally assume that the good and smart people at one of the very very best medical schools in the world are not conspiring to control people with masks. Again, I'm happy to junk it if it's not helping; for although I look pretty good in a mask, I find they fog up my glasses. But what you gave me here doesn't quite get there, which you probably knew.

I don’t really care about your health, tbh

Re-read for comprehension. The CDC study I mentioned was dated February 2020 and began circulating in early April, if I remember correctly. Again, it was an influenza meta-study. I could imagine that hand sanitizers might chemically act upon flu virii differently than the ‘vid. Masks however are strictly mechanical, or physical, intervention. As best I could find, the size of the two bugs are pretty much the same. Maybe there’s viral load differences. I don’t know. These fine points are questions for @HHusky

The no mask shit in March was rationing by way of propaganda, and that mistake continues to have ramifications.

LoneStarDawg

jecornel said:

The other is are people covering their nose? Do they take it off and on? See that a lot a stores.

The meat packing plant has many variables and whether people were committed to wearing them correctly. We’re they N95’s or just cloth?

LebamDawg

NorthwestFresh

Wearing a mask is the new Livestrong bracelet. It shows you care enough to spend a dolllar.

creepycoug

GrundleStiltzkin said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

I see a guy saying that social distancing works best, and if people wear masks they get stupid(er) and start dirty dancing with strangers. Ok. Good data point.

I'll still go with the current bidding from UC SF Med, Mayo Clinic and UW Med, among others, none of which even imply they are close to 100% effective.

It's dumb in your car, while you're watering your grass or taking a walk. I've been on golf courses non-stop for the last 9 days and haven't worn one outside of the clubhouse. But I did wear one in there, and didn't pause to think if I was putting a dent in my patriot credentials, for two reasons: (1) it puts others at ease and hence promotes commerce, and (2) there seems to some probability they are at least incrementally helpful.

Does the meat packing plant "study" raise doubt? Not immediately (I didn't make it past the abstract).

Findings
Transmissions occurred in a confined area of a meat processing plant in which air is constantly re-circulated and cooled to 10°C.

Interpretation
Our results indicate climate conditions and airflow as factors that can promote efficient spread of SARS-CoV-2 ....

I'm not married to this. Show me some conclusive authority they don't work and I'm done wearing 'em. I don't enjoy the experience at all and would be happy to stop.

I’ve linked a CDC study here a couple tims that find non-clinical interventions, including masks and hand washing, are not effective in limiting flu transmission. Plus the many public health officials telling people not to wear them in March. I don’t think wearing a mask is a big deal, but I am sympathetic to a degree with people who question it.



Yes, yes, ITS NOT TEH FLUE!!!

I’ll show myself out.

And I linked (I think) a piece by UCSF both clarifying that they are helpful and explaining the CDC flip in March and flop in whenever it was.

Has the CDC flip flopped again? IDK; I've been golfing. Like I said, show me something. I normally assume that the good and smart people at one of the very very best medical schools in the world are not conspiring to control people with masks. Again, I'm happy to junk it if it's not helping; for although I look pretty good in a mask, I find they fog up my glasses. But what you gave me here doesn't quite get there, which you probably knew.

I don’t really care about your health, tbh

Re-read for comprehension. The CDC study I mentioned was dated February 2020 and began circulating in early April, if I remember correctly. Again, it was an influenza meta-study. I could imagine that hand sanitizers might chemically act upon flu virii differently than the ‘vid. Masks however are strictly mechanical, or physical, intervention. As best I could find, the size of the two bugs are pretty much the same. Maybe there’s viral load differences. I don’t know. These fine points are questions for @HHusky

The no mask shit in March was rationing by way of propaganda, and that mistake continues to have ramifications.

Too many big and sciency words. I'm out.

creepycoug

LebamDawg said:

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent