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Which is the basic approach of the chicoms and dems. So, in the spirit of the Bushes and Slo Joe, barry's administration relaxed rules to allow chicom firms to list their stock on US stock exchanges. Accurate financial statements have always been problematic for a number of reasons including outright fraud. But the chicoms take lying to an art form with the full support of our US deep state. So, the Trump administration is proposing that since the chicoms aren't living up to the deal, that we call off the deal. Imagine that.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tensions-soar-trump-admin-could-scrap-audit-deal-us-listed-chinese-firms
Tensions Soar As Trump Admin Could Scrap Audit Deal For US-Listed Chinese Firms
by Tyler Durden
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 08:26
Global stocks slumped on Tuesday as a safety bid appears in the dollar as Sino-US tensions continue to worsen.
There were a couple of significant developments in the overnight session involving China and the US. First, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Beijing would sanction US defense contractor Lockheed Martin for its latest arms deal with Chinese-claimed Taiwan.
The second development is from Reuters, detailing how the Trump administration plans to abandon a 2013 agreement between the US and Chinese auditing authorities, a move that suggests a widespread crackdown on US-Listed Chinese firms sidestepping US disclosure rules is ahead.
The deal allowed the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB) to seek auditing documents in enforcement cases of Chinese companies listed on US exchanges - was considered a breakthrough at the time.
But PCAOB has complained over the years that many of the requests into Chinese firms were ignored.
Keith Krach, the undersecretary for economic growth, energy, and the environment, said, "lack of transparency has prompted administration officials to lay the groundwork to exit the deal soon."
"The action is imminent," Krach told Reuters, in an emailed response on Monday. "This is a National Security issue because we cannot continue to afford to put American shareholders at risk, to put American companies at a disadvantage and allow our preeminence of being the gold standard for financial markets to erode."
Reuters notes an official within the Trump administration and three former White House officials said the termination of the 2013 auditing deal was under careful consideration.
There's been very little information about withdrawing from the agreement - the discussions so far point to increasing frustrations by the Trump administration over Chinese companies failing to disclose critical financial data.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tensions-soar-trump-admin-could-scrap-audit-deal-us-listed-chinese-firms
Tensions Soar As Trump Admin Could Scrap Audit Deal For US-Listed Chinese Firms
by Tyler Durden
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 08:26
Global stocks slumped on Tuesday as a safety bid appears in the dollar as Sino-US tensions continue to worsen.
There were a couple of significant developments in the overnight session involving China and the US. First, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Beijing would sanction US defense contractor Lockheed Martin for its latest arms deal with Chinese-claimed Taiwan.
The second development is from Reuters, detailing how the Trump administration plans to abandon a 2013 agreement between the US and Chinese auditing authorities, a move that suggests a widespread crackdown on US-Listed Chinese firms sidestepping US disclosure rules is ahead.
The deal allowed the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB) to seek auditing documents in enforcement cases of Chinese companies listed on US exchanges - was considered a breakthrough at the time.
But PCAOB has complained over the years that many of the requests into Chinese firms were ignored.
Keith Krach, the undersecretary for economic growth, energy, and the environment, said, "lack of transparency has prompted administration officials to lay the groundwork to exit the deal soon."
"The action is imminent," Krach told Reuters, in an emailed response on Monday. "This is a National Security issue because we cannot continue to afford to put American shareholders at risk, to put American companies at a disadvantage and allow our preeminence of being the gold standard for financial markets to erode."
Reuters notes an official within the Trump administration and three former White House officials said the termination of the 2013 auditing deal was under careful consideration.
There's been very little information about withdrawing from the agreement - the discussions so far point to increasing frustrations by the Trump administration over Chinese companies failing to disclose critical financial data.
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One candidate will take on China the next 4 years
The other is owned by them -
And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
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I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
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He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
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Do you get extra yuan sucking the Chinese Overlord dick posting or is that an original thought?MelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
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What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
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The fact that you don't know speaks volumes about youMelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser -
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how their elected leaders flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited, especially directed at police, on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above I’d say you’re not normal. -
Not you!MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser -
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that. -
Geezus you like taking it up the ass for your team. Pelosi, "People will do what they do." What far right white supremacist has a public office? In Congress? As the Speaker of the House? There is no lame ass moral equavalency here. You know who the squad is? They aren't the local dog catcher.
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There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats. -
I remember when we had a three year investigation into whether the president was beholden to a foreign leader
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The difference is you refuse to refute or rebuke the nutfucks on the left.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Nobody and I mean NOBODY here is defending Proud Boys, Westboro Baptist or any fuckwad white supremacist crap.
The 'liberals' (cough cough, not the TUFF Liberals....the pussy leftist liberals) have zero balls to call bullshit on their extreme cousins.
But but MEAN ORANGE MAN AAARGGH!!!
"We all want to be centrists". Fuck off with that bullshit.
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Add this action by the Trump Admin yesterday to the mix. Along with the Trump Admin's push to get Western Countries and US allies to reject Chinese spying, I mean tech and telecom.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/507080-pompeo-formally-rejects-beijings-claims-in-south-china-sea
Like it or not, Trump is your only option unless you want a future where we and the rest of the world are China's bitch.
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I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? It's not an explicit mandate to go full Charlottesville on people, but just as you suggest the far left can interpret their politicians' rhetoric and act out, the same can happen on the other side. Neither side is doing well.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
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Far Leftists want power and want to control people. Far Rightists (and I'm not one) want to be left the fuck alone. There's a big difference between the two.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that. -
Come on. You didn't miss anythingMelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? I imagine they feel more slightly emboldened.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
But but but Trump
Pathetic -
False.5starsareforlosers said:
Far Rightists (and I'm not one) want to be left the fuck alone. There's a big difference between the two.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that. -
I've never been a "but Trump" person on the bored, for the record, I just think it's a relevant example as to how rhetoric that HE uses can do the same for his supporters (no one here since I think everyone here is actually pretty rational) as whatever rhetoric people think is coming from the Squad.RaceBannon said:
Come on. You didn't miss anythingMelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? I imagine they feel more slightly emboldened.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
But but but Trump
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First of all, there aren’t many Democrats demanding the destruction of property stop. “Silence is Complicity” is another retarded slogan you liberals are hypocritical about and don’t have it apply to you. The Seattle Mayor certainly did zero to stop CHOP until the day after they were at her doorstop. What a leader! ClownShow.MelloDawg said:
I've never been a "but Trump" person on the bored, for the record, I just think it's a relevant example as to how rhetoric that HE uses can do the same for his supporters (no one here since I think everyone here is actually pretty rational) as whatever rhetoric people think is coming from the Squad.RaceBannon said:
Come on. You didn't miss anythingMelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? I imagine they feel more slightly emboldened.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
But but but Trump
Pathetic
Trump supporters aren’t tearing down cities, attacking political opponents, and killing police officers. The violence at any Trump rally comes from political opponents blocking roads, like at Rushmore, or blocking people from getting in a building, like in Tulsa. Trump supporters get in boats and have parades. You clowns are pulling down statues, as if that accomplishes anything.
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Can you name a democrat who has come out loud and consistent against the violence and destruction?MelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? It's not an explicit mandate to go full Charlottesville on people, but just as you suggest the far left can interpret their politicians' rhetoric and act out, the same can happen on the other side. Neither side is doing well.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
The fact you are struggling right now to come up with a name proves the point that left wing politicians are giving their blessing.
And I forgot to mention all the left wing politicians who told the police to stand down and take abuse from the left wing thugs. That looks like support to me. -
Easy answer.Bendintheriver said:
Can you name a democrat who has come out loud and consistent against the violence and destruction?MelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? It's not an explicit mandate to go full Charlottesville on people, but just as you suggest the far left can interpret their politicians' rhetoric and act out, the same can happen on the other side. Neither side is doing well.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
The fact you are struggling right now to come up with a name proves the point that left wing politicians are giving their blessing.
Trump.
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Not off the top of my head, but the rational human being in me would like to think that the vast majority of those elected to office don't take joy in watching it happen and really don't need to come out in explicit condemnation of the whole thing. I choose not to think that their silence is tacit approval of public destruction, that's a rather unhealthy view of the world in my opinion. Others feel differently and I respect that.Bendintheriver said:
Can you name a democrat who has come out loud and consistent against the violence and destruction?MelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? It's not an explicit mandate to go full Charlottesville on people, but just as you suggest the far left can interpret their politicians' rhetoric and act out, the same can happen on the other side. Neither side is doing well.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
The fact you are struggling right now to come up with a name proves the point that left wing politicians are giving their blessing.
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Flailing.MelloDawg said:
Not off the top of my head, but the rational human being in me would like to think that the vast majority of those elected to office don't take joy in watching it happen and really don't need to come out in explicit condemnation of the whole thing. I choose not to think that their silence is tacit approval of public destruction, that's a rather unhealthy view of the world in my opinion. Others feel differently and I respect that.Bendintheriver said:
Can you name a democrat who has come out loud and consistent against the violence and destruction?MelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? It's not an explicit mandate to go full Charlottesville on people, but just as you suggest the far left can interpret their politicians' rhetoric and act out, the same can happen on the other side. Neither side is doing well.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
The fact you are struggling right now to come up with a name proves the point that left wing politicians are giving their blessing.
White Flag time. You and your “whataboutism” should take the L and move on to better footing. -
If some white supremacist thinks that Trump wanting the border closed is a good thing, then what is Trump supposed to say? That MS-13 is a quality outfit? Trump has actively disavowed white supremacists. When the lefts actively supports the commie BLM movement and refuses to condemn the racism and marxism which is uniformly supported by their leadership its you taking it up the ass again. There is no moral equivalency. Trump doesn't go get permission to run for president from the proud boys. Almost every dem candidate went and sucked off that racist POS Al Sharpton who has blood on his hands. Especially Slo Joe.
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Hell you have the Speaker of the House excusing the violence and down playing it. You have members of Congress encouraging it and Mayors and Governors refusing to stop it and prosecute people who are engaging in it. We are so far past the "both sides do it" bullshit, there is no comparison to anything that the left is doing now to what the right is or has ever done.Bendintheriver said:
Can you name a democrat who has come out loud and consistent against the violence and destruction?MelloDawg said:
I think we disagree on whether or not left wing politicians are endorsing the destruction of public and private property. If they have, I've missed it. This will skew the debate as these threads tend to have happen to them, but do you not think that rhetoric from Trump encourages the narrow-minded on the far right to be more vocal about their views? It's not an explicit mandate to go full Charlottesville on people, but just as you suggest the far left can interpret their politicians' rhetoric and act out, the same can happen on the other side. Neither side is doing well.NorthwestFresh said:
There is no “whataboutism.” The “far right” isn’t allowing massive protests and riots to destroy public and private property in cities and states they fully control politically. Today’s Democrats are allowing and encouraging it. Hell, you have national Democrats this week and their media inciting violence against both Trump and the police with their “white supremacist” and “racist” rhetoric that encourages the animals on your side to lash out, destroy, and assault.MelloDawg said:
I'd agree most are appalled at anyone who celebrates murders of police officers and that far leftists definitely alienate the rest of the party. You could get into a debate over whether it represents the rest of the party, but then I'd cite the far right and THEIR social media posts and we'd get into another whataboutism circle.NorthwestFresh said:
I’d say that the vast silent majority of Americans are appalled how your liberal pals celebrate the murders of police officers. Also how they flip-flop and shut down churches, businesses, and some gatherings on gut instinct and partisan whims, yet allow others if it motivates their voting base, with zero input from citizens. I’m pretty sure the constant hatred exhibited on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook by far Leftists isn’t in line with “normal” Americans.MelloDawg said:
What is a normal American these days?RaceBannon said:
He literally just said that the left doesn't care that Joe is owned by ChinaMelloDawg said:
I think you overestimate how much the left cares about Chinese foreign policy or makes it a voting priority this election cycle. If they're concerned about foreign policy at all, it's how western nations perceive the US.WestlinnDuck said:And the left know that. And is happy with that as the chicoms are a more moral group than republicans.
Which to normal Americans is a problemhttps://foxnews.com/politics/biden-reportedly-uses-quote-notably-uttered-by-mao-zedong-during-fundraiser
Vote Joe Biden and (D) because they will fix things in the their shithole violent cities though. JUST NOT TRUMP. If you support any of the above
Really what we all want to be is centrists, I get that.
Get the fuck outta here with your “Whataboutism,” Son. Your extreme side has completely lost their shit and it’s being validated from the top of the party all the way down to these sewer Rats.
The fact you are struggling right now to come up with a name proves the point that left wing politicians are giving their blessing.
And I forgot to mention all the left wing politicians who told the police to stand down and take abuse from the left wing thugs. That looks like support to me. -
Hawaii Democrat Senatorial yesterday. A total unifier! This is the type of rational discourse needed to fix things. VOTE NOT TRUMP!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/07/13/sen_hirono_a_lot_of_trumps_base_are_white_supremacists_thats_who_he_speaks_to.html
Sen. Hirono: A Lot Of Trump's Base Are White Supremacists, That's Who He Speaks To
Posted By Ian Schwartz
On Date July 13, 2020 -
It's not. The problem is putting a quantifier on white supremacists and xenophobes within the base.NorthwestFresh said:Hawaii Democrat Senatorial yesterday. A total unifier! This is the type of rational discourse needed to fix things. VOTE NOT TRUMP!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/07/13/sen_hirono_a_lot_of_trumps_base_are_white_supremacists_thats_who_he_speaks_to.html
Sen. Hirono: A Lot Of Trump's Base Are White Supremacists, That's Who He Speaks To
Posted By Ian Schwartz
On Date July 13, 2020 -
Left's diatribe is "silence is violence"
How is it they always are doing what they accuse the republicans of and no news service calls them on it?
