Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
It’s at the point where the data is so fucked up in collection methods changing over time and categorization and timing of deaths, and what defines a hospitalization, changing demographics, etc that it’s basically unanalyzable.
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Shut the fuck up mello
22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid
in 4 days "shut the fuck up only 25% of hospital beds in Houston are covid" in 8 days "shut the fuck up only 30% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
This shit doesn't get better before it gets worse and worse.
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Shut the fuck up mello
22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid
in 4 days "shut the fuck up only 25% of hospital beds in Houston are covid" in 8 days "shut the fuck up only 30% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
This shit doesn't get better before it gets worse and worse.
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
There is no "lag" between the confirmed case data and hospitalization data. There wasn't for the first 6 months of the "mass transmission"
The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days
its been 49 days since Memorial day
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
I've heard all the major heads of the Houston hospitals came out and said that they had plenty of capacity available a few weeks ago. Have things materially changed down there?
It’s at the point where the data is so fucked up in collection methods changing over time and categorization and timing of deaths, and what defines a hospitalization, changing demographics, etc that it’s basically unanalyzable.
Go back to March and early April and this was my biggest issue with where things were going to go ... as the goalposts move and definitions change trying to have accurate comparisons become impossible.
We are hypothesizing that more cases are going to lead to more deaths ...
But then when you look at Florida and see the average age of cases is give or take 30 years old in many key locations, the reality is that you're not going to see deaths have material correlations with cases ... at least compared to the beginning.
The path forward has always been to make sure that we take care of the most at risk populations.
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
There is no "lag" between the confirmed case data and hospitalization data. There wasn't for the first 6 months of the "mass transmission"
The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days
its been 49 days since Memorial day
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
Cases skyrocketed in Texas, Arizona, and Florida, then hospitalizations began to skyrocket, now deaths are going up in all three states. I don't see why these trends won't all continue.
and even with that 4-5 day window which is too short and likely a result of a lack of testing not catching cases as early back in March as they do now, there is still a massive reporting delay on deaths and hospitalizations.
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
There is no "lag" between the confirmed case data and hospitalization data. There wasn't for the first 6 months of the "mass transmission"
The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days
its been 49 days since Memorial day
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
Cases skyrocketed in Texas, Arizona, and Florida, then hospitalizations began to skyrocket, now deaths are going up in all three states. I don't see why these trends won't all continue.
and even with that 4-5 day window which is too short and likely a result of a lack of testing not catching cases as early back in March as they do now, there is still a massive reporting delay on deaths and hospitalizations.
Hospitalization data does not lag from the cases data... You wont find a study saying so, symptom onset after exposure isnt long enough to create a noticeable lag in the data and viral shedding can occur 14-20 days even after hospitalization. The data decoupled from the well established ratios for the first 6 months due to changes in testing and classification.
Confirmed cases has always been such a massive undercount it isnt reflective of actual infections in the population.
Total Hospital census is highly effected by dwell time and isn't reflective of infection severity or prevalence in the population.
I cant imagine why you are trying to disagree with actual CDC and medical studies...
Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
There is no "lag" between the confirmed case data and hospitalization data. There wasn't for the first 6 months of the "mass transmission"
The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days
its been 49 days since Memorial day
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
Cases skyrocketed in Texas, Arizona, and Florida, then hospitalizations began to skyrocket, now deaths are going up in all three states. I don't see why these trends won't all continue.
and even with that 4-5 day window which is too short and likely a result of a lack of testing not catching cases as early back in March as they do now, there is still a massive reporting delay on deaths and hospitalizations.
What if I told you that an increase in numbers from small numbers (TX, AZ, FL) is still much less than the numbers experienced in NY and NJ? Look at the numbers on the left side for perspective:
Google doesn't show NJ numbers but they have had 15k deaths. Yet the narrative is that these places are at the same level as NY and NJ when that is far from the truth.
no one expects anywhere to hit the daily numbers of New York. What is more likely is that deaths never spike significantly in FL, TX, etc. but instead just X number of people continue to die every day for far too long and that continues until the end of the calendar year with a fuck ton of unnecessary deaths. Just a slow fall that continues on and on.
You do know that the country can't pay for 46 million people who are out of work for much longer. My suggestion is that you could make some real progress if you took some basic math and economics.
You do know that the country can't pay for 46 million people who are out of work for much longer. My suggestion is that you could make some real progress if you took some basic math and economics.
do you have anything except for presenting this false dichotomy? Plenty of countries and states who are in partial shutdowns, if not fully open, are controlling the virus. If you close super spreaders like bars, restaurants and movie theatres (which Newsom just did) most retail and recreation can be safe.
I live in Oregon. Restaurants are open. Don't seem to be a super spreader. If you are scared, stay home. Just don't play super spreader tennis.
yes because Oregon suppressed the virus to where they were able to reopen with few restrictions and haven't had problems. Same thing is happening in the Northeast. This is not a point in favor of your safety-economy false choice.
I'd rather be in charge of my life than have some feckless beta male like yourself telling me how to live it. That's the difference between me and you. Your like the dazzler and want everyone hiding in their basement. Open it up. And for god's sake don't tell me how much you need to raise my taxes to pay for your decisions.
I live in Oregon. Restaurants are open. Don't seem to be a super spreader. If you are scared, stay home. Just don't play super spreader tennis.
yes because Oregon suppressed the virus to where they were able to reopen with few restrictions and haven't had problems. Same thing is happening in the Northeast. This is not a point in favor of your safety-economy false choice.
What specific day will the bodies be there, and if they aren’t, then what?
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Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
"shut the fuck up only 25% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
in 8 days
"shut the fuck up only 30% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
This shit doesn't get better before it gets worse and worse.
Shut the fuck up
The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days
its been 49 days since Memorial day
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
We are hypothesizing that more cases are going to lead to more deaths ...
But then when you look at Florida and see the average age of cases is give or take 30 years old in many key locations, the reality is that you're not going to see deaths have material correlations with cases ... at least compared to the beginning.
The path forward has always been to make sure that we take care of the most at risk populations.
and even with that 4-5 day window which is too short and likely a result of a lack of testing not catching cases as early back in March as they do now, there is still a massive reporting delay on deaths and hospitalizations.
Confirmed cases has always been such a massive undercount it isnt reflective of actual infections in the population.
Total Hospital census is highly effected by dwell time and isn't reflective of infection severity or prevalence in the population.
I cant imagine why you are trying to disagree with actual CDC and medical studies...
the median exposure to symptom onset is 4-5 days
science denier or science illiterate
Google doesn't show NJ numbers but they have had 15k deaths. Yet the narrative is that these places are at the same level as NY and NJ when that is far from the truth.