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Percentage of hospital beds occupied statewide by CV patients. Grim. Very Grim.
Also, never going to get there, Jay
Also, never going to get there, Jay
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Collect my specimen, Jay.
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Grandma killer
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I don't know how to tell you this, but... uh, all the grandmas are already gone.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Grandma killer
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Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
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link?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
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So the best part of the metrics chart is that 2 and 3 are the same metric ... just the inverse of each other
When you set the metrics at ceilings that realistically can’t reach ... tells me you aren’t that interested in “business as usual”
The reality is the 2nd chart actually shows a positive trend over time ... but the regression of that line to 50% will never get close before a vaccine and/or treatments render the metric insignificant -
You’ve been cybering with @MontlakeBridgeTroll again, haven’t you?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
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No. I'm living with peope who work this thing daily. No politics. Just fact.
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Get that and I don’t think anybody is trying to shit on you ...Dugdawg said:No. I'm living with peope who work this thing daily. No politics. Just fact.
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You're telling me that a 42 year old man was stricken with a mystery flu that put him in the hospital. While in the hospital they put him in the Covid ward and he still didn't contract the vid. What the actual fuck is going on?oregonblitzkrieg said:
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What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
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Nothing but it makes the China Virus sound worse than it is. Demorat think.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
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Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated. -
Keep hope alive
Someday. Maybe 8 days or 2 weeks -
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.MelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/
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It’s almost as if other viruses still exist. Early on when the testing was actually testing people with symptoms, 90% were coming back negative, which implies that there is other crud out there still.theknowledge said:
You're telling me that a 42 year old man was stricken with a mystery flu that put him in the hospital. While in the hospital they put him in the Covid ward and he still didn't contract the vid. What the actual fuck is going on?oregonblitzkrieg said: -
Shut the fuck up melloMelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid -
NFL teams that can’t actually sell out just put coverings on parts of the upper deck to still claim a sellout.Houhusky said:
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.MelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/
Same phenomenon as hospitalizations, if the demand was there, they’d take off the coverings.
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That’s like saying Coke sales are up so we expect a lot more DUIs due to people drinking Jack and Cokes. There are a million and one factors that impact PPE supply and demand... no clue how you get to forecasting expected serious Covid hospitalizations from that.MelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
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Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.Houhusky said:
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.MelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
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It’s at the point where the data is so fucked up in collection methods changing over time and categorization and timing of deaths, and what defines a hospitalization, changing demographics, etc that it’s basically unanalyzable.
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in 4 daysLoneStarDawg said:
Shut the fuck up melloMelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid
"shut the fuck up only 25% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
in 8 days
"shut the fuck up only 30% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
This shit doesn't get better before it gets worse and worse.
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Health care costs will come down over the long run after the unhealthy and obese are wiped out. We will build statues honoring COVID.
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Welcome to Marchincremetal_progress said:
in 4 daysLoneStarDawg said:
Shut the fuck up melloMelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid
"shut the fuck up only 25% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
in 8 days
"shut the fuck up only 30% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
This shit doesn't get better before it gets worse and worse.
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incremetal_progress said:
YEAH BUT STILL!!!!LoneStarDawg said:
Shut the fuck up melloMelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid -
There is no "lag" between the confirmed case data and hospitalization data. There wasn't for the first 6 months of the "mass transmission"incremetal_progress said:
Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.Houhusky said:
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.MelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days
its been 49 days since Memorial day
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
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I've heard all the major heads of the Houston hospitals came out and said that they had plenty of capacity available a few weeks ago. Have things materially changed down there?MelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated. -
Go back to March and early April and this was my biggest issue with where things were going to go ... as the goalposts move and definitions change trying to have accurate comparisons become impossible.Bob_C said:It’s at the point where the data is so fucked up in collection methods changing over time and categorization and timing of deaths, and what defines a hospitalization, changing demographics, etc that it’s basically unanalyzable.
We are hypothesizing that more cases are going to lead to more deaths ...
But then when you look at Florida and see the average age of cases is give or take 30 years old in many key locations, the reality is that you're not going to see deaths have material correlations with cases ... at least compared to the beginning.
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Cases skyrocketed in Texas, Arizona, and Florida, then hospitalizations began to skyrocket, now deaths are going up in all three states. I don't see why these trends won't all continue.Houhusky said:
There is no "lag" between the confirmed case data and hospitalization data. There wasn't for the first 6 months of the "mass transmission"incremetal_progress said:
Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.Houhusky said:
Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.MelloDawg said:
Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.HoustonHusky said:
What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?Dugdawg said:Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...
http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/
"we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."
Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/
Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.
This all happens on a timeline.
The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days
its been 49 days since Memorial day
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
and even with that 4-5 day window which is too short and likely a result of a lack of testing not catching cases as early back in March as they do now, there is still a massive reporting delay on deaths and hospitalizations.
