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You're a policy person. Vast majority of people don't appreciate 1/16th of what you know and understand. Admittedly, the title of my thread was whether Trump has a loyalty problem ... and your response about Mattis' incompetence sorta goes to that in the "who cares if a person let go for incompetence remains loyal," kind of way.HoustonHusky said:
Like I said, fuck Mattis. He quit because he wanted us to go to war in Syria, ramp up operations in Afghanistan, and wanted Trump to stay in the Iran deal. Those aren’t bright policy choices...in fact they are amazing dumb ones.creepycoug said:
Well, we could have said the same thing when his time under Obama was cut short over disagreements on his Iran policy. I think Mattis is a soldier and does what he thinks is best for the U.S. I would think, in the Tug, that would make him a conservative, with or without the special ID card.HoustonHusky said:
Fuck Mathis. He’s not a “conservative”...he’s been an undeclared Democrat for years. And fuck him for trying to get us into war in Syria and for being part of the appeasement of Iran. If he had his way we would be knee-deep in Syria right now.creepycoug said:
That's where I was going generally in the first post. For the first time I can remember, and honest to goodness conservative with real credentials who is figure that plays strong with the base has come out against his former employer. I was wondering, and still wonder, whether it would chip the base.GrundleStiltzkin said:
LIPO.creepycoug said:
I think Trump missed out on a great opportunity for another nickname. I really think I have something in Mopey Maddis.NorthwestFresh said:
Marines I know are going to be really torn on this. They love Mattis, and most if not all are Trump voters.
But then again, as Race points out, the Democrats have rolled out a real retard as a candidate. Hillary, before, was more electable than this clown.
You think we would have nailed Solomani (sp?) if he was still in the administration? Props for ISIS, but TBH any halfway competent military person not hindered by Obama’s policies could have gotten rid of them in short order. It’s not like there was some brilliant strategy involved.
Q: Are you a Democrat? Mattis: “You know, we’re all built on our formative experiences. When I was 18, I joined the Marine Corps, and in the U.S. military we are proudly apolitical. By that, I mean that in our duties, we were brought up to obey the elected commander in chief, whoever that is. And we’ve seen, over those — since I was in the military longer than some of you have been alive, I have seen Republicans and Democrats come and go. Where am I today? I’m a member of the president’s administration. And you have seen that President Trump’s military policies, security policies, reaping significant bipartisan support. So my role, when you see 83 percent — think about this — for ― and I realize you all write about tension between this person and that, this administration and that party, and this sort of thing.”
“But when you think 83 percent of the U.S. Congress voting the same way on an issue put forward by the Republican president, you can see that my portfolio is bipartisan by its very basis, and that is the protection of the United States. That’s what President Trump has told me to do, and I eagerly carry that out, alongside probably the most selfless young men and women — not all young; some old men and women, too — civilian and military, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines working together. So that’s where I stand. That defines me."
Seems like a flag burning dirty hippie to me.
Goes to the bigger point...being a good general is completely different skill set then being a policy guy. He’s excelled at the former...he’s been nothing but lacking on the later.
But the other part of my post is whether it would hurt him. And I don't think the average voter who supports Trump thinks of a guy nick named "Mad Dog", who is quintessentially US military, is going to think he's a liberal in disguise and therefore write him off as such.
But I've come to the conclusion that it probably won't matter. I still find it interesting that he thinks Trump is divisive and I don't write him off as easily as you seem to based on his policy preferences. He may stand for shitty policy; but he's not some jilted lover or loon and people listen to guys like Mattis. The US has always been, and still is, in love with its military. It's instant cred. to be a soldier. Basically what Stalin wrote. -
This. How many examples of this have we discussed in the Tug.HoustonHusky said:
Like I said, fuck Mattis. He quit because he wanted us to go to war in Syria, ramp up operations in Afghanistan, and wanted Trump to stay in the Iran deal. Those aren’t bright policy choices...in fact they are amazing dumb ones.creepycoug said:
Well, we could have said the same thing when his time under Obama was cut short over disagreements on his Iran policy. I think Mattis is a soldier and does what he thinks is best for the U.S. I would think, in the Tug, that would make him a conservative, with or without the special ID card.HoustonHusky said:
Fuck Mathis. He’s not a “conservative”...he’s been an undeclared Democrat for years. And fuck him for trying to get us into war in Syria and for being part of the appeasement of Iran. If he had his way we would be knee-deep in Syria right now.creepycoug said:
That's where I was going generally in the first post. For the first time I can remember, and honest to goodness conservative with real credentials who is figure that plays strong with the base has come out against his former employer. I was wondering, and still wonder, whether it would chip the base.GrundleStiltzkin said:
LIPO.creepycoug said:
I think Trump missed out on a great opportunity for another nickname. I really think I have something in Mopey Maddis.NorthwestFresh said:
Marines I know are going to be really torn on this. They love Mattis, and most if not all are Trump voters.
But then again, as Race points out, the Democrats have rolled out a real retard as a candidate. Hillary, before, was more electable than this clown.
You think we would have nailed Solomani (sp?) if he was still in the administration? Props for ISIS, but TBH any halfway competent military person not hindered by Obama’s policies could have gotten rid of them in short order. It’s not like there was some brilliant strategy involved.
Q: Are you a Democrat? Mattis: “You know, we’re all built on our formative experiences. When I was 18, I joined the Marine Corps, and in the U.S. military we are proudly apolitical. By that, I mean that in our duties, we were brought up to obey the elected commander in chief, whoever that is. And we’ve seen, over those — since I was in the military longer than some of you have been alive, I have seen Republicans and Democrats come and go. Where am I today? I’m a member of the president’s administration. And you have seen that President Trump’s military policies, security policies, reaping significant bipartisan support. So my role, when you see 83 percent — think about this — for ― and I realize you all write about tension between this person and that, this administration and that party, and this sort of thing.”
“But when you think 83 percent of the U.S. Congress voting the same way on an issue put forward by the Republican president, you can see that my portfolio is bipartisan by its very basis, and that is the protection of the United States. That’s what President Trump has told me to do, and I eagerly carry that out, alongside probably the most selfless young men and women — not all young; some old men and women, too — civilian and military, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines working together. So that’s where I stand. That defines me."
Seems like a flag burning dirty hippie to me.
Goes to the bigger point...being a good general is completely different skill set then being a policy guy. He’s excelled at the former...he’s been nothing but lacking on the later.
Trump's a boorish troll in chief(which can be hilarious in combination with the outrage addicted media and Left) but he does have a real nose for a lot of policy. -
Me too. It may be that what most people in the Tug seem to agree upon - that Trump, as a person, is an asshole with whom most of us would not enjoy spending tim - is what people walk away with when they leave his team. IDKWestlinnDuck said:Mattis is competent. But he doesn't set policy and he an US military interventionist at heart. Trump is much more competent than barry, PIPS, Slo Jo and any other dem candidate. Trump fights and puts American interests first. Surprised that Mattis doesn't seem to appreciate that.
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IIRC - he stuttered and stammered every tim he talked. Maybe he was trying to make it look like he was thinking and talking at the same tim.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you mean and...? He drone striked thousands, fucked up healthcare even more, encouraged the exodus of American manufacturing, won a Nobel peace prize, and did a mean job reading off a teleprompter....RaceBannon said:
Smooth talk doesn't pay the rent. Obama had 8 years and........
Also - Mattis will be forgotten by the end of the protests - it is very scary that people like @insecuredawg are praising Mattis -
You can say a lot about Obama, but being a shitty speaker isn't one of them.LebamDawg said:
IIRC - he stuttered and stammered every tim he talked. Maybe he was trying to make it look like he was thinking and talking at the same tim.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you mean and...? He drone striked thousands, fucked up healthcare even more, encouraged the exodus of American manufacturing, won a Nobel peace prize, and did a mean job reading off a teleprompter....RaceBannon said:
Smooth talk doesn't pay the rent. Obama had 8 years and........
Also - Mattis will be forgotten by the end of the protests - it is very scary that people like @insecuredawg are praising Mattis -
creepycoug said:
You're a policy person. Vast majority of people don't appreciate 1/16th of what you know and understand. Admittedly, the title of my thread was whether Trump has a loyalty problem ... and your response about Mattis' incompetence sorta goes to that in the "who cares if a person let go for incompetence remains loyal," kind of way.HoustonHusky said:
Like I said, fuck Mattis. He quit because he wanted us to go to war in Syria, ramp up operations in Afghanistan, and wanted Trump to stay in the Iran deal. Those aren’t bright policy choices...in fact they are amazing dumb ones.creepycoug said:
Well, we could have said the same thing when his time under Obama was cut short over disagreements on his Iran policy. I think Mattis is a soldier and does what he thinks is best for the U.S. I would think, in the Tug, that would make him a conservative, with or without the special ID card.HoustonHusky said:
Fuck Mathis. He’s not a “conservative”...he’s been an undeclared Democrat for years. And fuck him for trying to get us into war in Syria and for being part of the appeasement of Iran. If he had his way we would be knee-deep in Syria right now.creepycoug said:
That's where I was going generally in the first post. For the first time I can remember, and honest to goodness conservative with real credentials who is figure that plays strong with the base has come out against his former employer. I was wondering, and still wonder, whether it would chip the base.GrundleStiltzkin said:
LIPO.creepycoug said:
I think Trump missed out on a great opportunity for another nickname. I really think I have something in Mopey Maddis.NorthwestFresh said:
Marines I know are going to be really torn on this. They love Mattis, and most if not all are Trump voters.
But then again, as Race points out, the Democrats have rolled out a real retard as a candidate. Hillary, before, was more electable than this clown.
You think we would have nailed Solomani (sp?) if he was still in the administration? Props for ISIS, but TBH any halfway competent military person not hindered by Obama’s policies could have gotten rid of them in short order. It’s not like there was some brilliant strategy involved.
Q: Are you a Democrat? Mattis: “You know, we’re all built on our formative experiences. When I was 18, I joined the Marine Corps, and in the U.S. military we are proudly apolitical. By that, I mean that in our duties, we were brought up to obey the elected commander in chief, whoever that is. And we’ve seen, over those — since I was in the military longer than some of you have been alive, I have seen Republicans and Democrats come and go. Where am I today? I’m a member of the president’s administration. And you have seen that President Trump’s military policies, security policies, reaping significant bipartisan support. So my role, when you see 83 percent — think about this — for ― and I realize you all write about tension between this person and that, this administration and that party, and this sort of thing.”
“But when you think 83 percent of the U.S. Congress voting the same way on an issue put forward by the Republican president, you can see that my portfolio is bipartisan by its very basis, and that is the protection of the United States. That’s what President Trump has told me to do, and I eagerly carry that out, alongside probably the most selfless young men and women — not all young; some old men and women, too — civilian and military, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines working together. So that’s where I stand. That defines me."
Seems like a flag burning dirty hippie to me.
Goes to the bigger point...being a good general is completely different skill set then being a policy guy. He’s excelled at the former...he’s been nothing but lacking on the later.
But the other part of my post is whether it would hurt him. And I don't think the average voter who supports Trump thinks of a guy nick named "Mad Dog", who is quintessentially US military, is going to think he's a liberal in disguise and therefore write him off as such.
But I've come to the conclusion that it probably won't matter. I still find it interesting that he thinks Trump is divisive and I don't write him off as easily as you seem to based on his policy preferences. He may stand for shitty policy; but he's not some jilted lover or loon and people listen to guys like Mattis. The US has always been, and still is, in love with its military. It's instant cred. to be a soldier. Basically what Stalin wrote.
The thing is that none of that shit matters in current US politics. It's all tribalism and ideology.creepycoug said:
Me too. It may be that what most people in the Tug seem to agree upon - that Trump, as a person, is an asshole with whom most of us would not enjoy spending tim - is what people walk away with when they leave his team. IDKWestlinnDuck said:Mattis is competent. But he doesn't set policy and he an US military interventionist at heart. Trump is much more competent than barry, PIPS, Slo Jo and any other dem candidate. Trump fights and puts American interests first. Surprised that Mattis doesn't seem to appreciate that.
Even Bannon said that Trump is an imperfect instrument and was also let go. That's from the motherfucker that got him elected.
Look no further than the Dems. Biden is fucking terrible but they're going to hold their collective noses and vote for him anyways.
Character, or lack there of, charm, resume, etc. are all a lot smaller than the current battle playing out in US politics.
As Dennis Miller noted, Trump's outer voice matches his inner voice. I'll take that and all of it's garbage over someone like BO who could charm and dazzle a room while using Russian disinformation to secretly spy on opponents campaigns. -
He was /is a good speaker but he does have a stammer/stutter to his delivery. NTTIAWWTcreepycoug said:
You can say a lot about Obama, but being a shitty speaker isn't one of them.LebamDawg said:
IIRC - he stuttered and stammered every tim he talked. Maybe he was trying to make it look like he was thinking and talking at the same tim.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you mean and...? He drone striked thousands, fucked up healthcare even more, encouraged the exodus of American manufacturing, won a Nobel peace prize, and did a mean job reading off a teleprompter....RaceBannon said:
Smooth talk doesn't pay the rent. Obama had 8 years and........
Also - Mattis will be forgotten by the end of the protests - it is very scary that people like @insecuredawg are praising Mattis -
When Abe Lincoln was told to fire Grant he said, I need this man he fights.
Trump fights. Go ahead and waste time blasting his voters. It only tightens the bond the same way the birther issue united the Obama base. In other words what Bot said -
Too bad that was all the game he had.creepycoug said:
You can say a lot about Obama, but being a shitty speaker isn't one of them.LebamDawg said:
IIRC - he stuttered and stammered every tim he talked. Maybe he was trying to make it look like he was thinking and talking at the same tim.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you mean and...? He drone striked thousands, fucked up healthcare even more, encouraged the exodus of American manufacturing, won a Nobel peace prize, and did a mean job reading off a teleprompter....RaceBannon said:
Smooth talk doesn't pay the rent. Obama had 8 years and........
Also - Mattis will be forgotten by the end of the protests - it is very scary that people like @insecuredawg are praising Mattis -
Reading off a TelePrompTer was the only game he had. Off the cuff he was a stuttering disaster.Sledog said:
Too bad that was all the game he had.creepycoug said:
You can say a lot about Obama, but being a shitty speaker isn't one of them.LebamDawg said:
IIRC - he stuttered and stammered every tim he talked. Maybe he was trying to make it look like he was thinking and talking at the same tim.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you mean and...? He drone striked thousands, fucked up healthcare even more, encouraged the exodus of American manufacturing, won a Nobel peace prize, and did a mean job reading off a teleprompter....RaceBannon said:
Smooth talk doesn't pay the rent. Obama had 8 years and........
Also - Mattis will be forgotten by the end of the protests - it is very scary that people like @insecuredawg are praising Mattis
