Model Predicts 350,000 Deaths By End Of June If All States Fully Reopen
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While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.PurpleThrobber said:
Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.ThomasFremont said:Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.
I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.
The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.
2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.
The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.
Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
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But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.ThomasFremont said:
While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.PurpleThrobber said:
Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.ThomasFremont said:Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.
I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.
The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.
2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.
The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.
Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
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They’re gone tommy and they aren’t coming back.
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So why are you left leaning when there's just so much evidence showing how or why democrat policies and big government only hurt humanity not help it?Baseman said:Left leaner here. Open the gates. Isolation is destroying people. The specter of unintended consequences looms larger every day -- despair, financial ruin, suicides, etc.
Keep Fauci. Regular press briefings. This shit is a moving target. Opening the gates means moving targets. If shit gets bad, further adjustments are needed.
I'd bang in game attendance for football season. Play the games, but viewing only. Allowing large fall and winter crowds is just asking for shit to get way out of hand. Let the schools use their TV money and overfunded endowments to cover any deficits. Shit media deal? Time to reevaluate the conference broadcast deal. (Hi Larry Scott!)
Smaller schools have a choice. Endowments or take the year off.
Figure out something for restaurants and bars. They can open with fewer tables. Landlord tax abatements in exchange for reasonable tenant rent assistance. Payroll support repaid by a combo of an employer/employee payroll tax. A TEMPORARY food and beverage tax until the assistance is repaid. This is not a long term solution. Any plan must be modest both in measures and duration.
Somebody has to pay for all this. Re-architecht the tax corporate and individual tax codes.
Corporate
$0-$50,000 10%
$50,001 - $99,999 15%
$100,000 - $199,999 20%
$200,000 - $999,999 25%
$1M - $250M 27%
$250M - $1B 30%
$1B 35%
Close offshore loopholes.
Individual rates 10% up to $50,000 (lower) 15% up to $100k (lower) Reset to previous marginal rates for income above.
Eliminate long term welfare except for legitimate disabilities.
While we are at it, introduce tuition grants for college students. Using marginal percentages based on family/individual income. Student debt kills the economy, placing undue burden on students and their parents.
Allow corporations to earmark a portion of their tax liability for funding, receiving an ROI of 10% on contributions up to a maximum percentage of tax liability or capped dollar amount for larger corporations.
Lots of capitalism here, support for small business, and lower to middle income individuals/families. -
Yes, but most places shut down or limited/modified operations before any government intervention. Probably to match the drop in customer traffic. I see your point, but the bottom line was ruined by the virus/fear before any political intervention took place.GrundleStiltzkin said:
But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.ThomasFremont said:
While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.PurpleThrobber said:
Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.ThomasFremont said:Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.
I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.
The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.
2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.
The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.
Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too. -
Since we govern by anecdote now, I'll give you one: I can tell you first-hand that a business was ahead of the government, adapting, and doing ok, all things considered, prior to Inslee stepping in to save the day.ThomasFremont said:
Yes, but most places shut down or limited/modified operations before any government intervention. Probably to match the drop in customer traffic. I see your point, but the bottom line was ruined by the virus/fear before any political intervention took place.GrundleStiltzkin said:
But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.ThomasFremont said:
While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.PurpleThrobber said:
Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.ThomasFremont said:Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.
I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.
The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.
2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.
The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.
Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
Furthermore, the businesses by Inslee's magnanimous graces allowed to continue operating have adapted, again often before legal mandate, and are doing just fine, all things considered. -
So if we can trust the people why are governors jack boot thugs?
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I’m not a fan of saying who can or cannot operate. Bit we also have more information now than we did then.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Since we govern by anecdote now, I'll give you one: I can tell you first-hand that a business was ahead of the government, adapting, and doing ok, all things considered, prior to Inslee stepping in to save the day.ThomasFremont said:
Yes, but most places shut down or limited/modified operations before any government intervention. Probably to match the drop in customer traffic. I see your point, but the bottom line was ruined by the virus/fear before any political intervention took place.GrundleStiltzkin said:
But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.ThomasFremont said:
While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.PurpleThrobber said:
Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.ThomasFremont said:Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.
I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.
The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.
2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.
The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.
Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
Furthermore, the businesses by Inslee's magnanimous graces allowed to continue operating have adapted, again often before legal mandate, and are doing just fine, all things considered.
