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Model Predicts 350,000 Deaths By End Of June If All States Fully Reopen

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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,970 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    Left leaner here. Open the gates. Isolation is destroying people. The specter of unintended consequences looms larger every day -- despair, financial ruin, suicides, etc.

    Keep Fauci. Regular press briefings. This shit is a moving target. Opening the gates means moving targets. If shit gets bad, further adjustments are needed.

    I'd bang in game attendance for football season. Play the games, but viewing only. Allowing large fall and winter crowds is just asking for shit to get way out of hand. Let the schools use their TV money and overfunded endowments to cover any deficits. Shit media deal? Time to reevaluate the conference broadcast deal. (Hi Larry Scott!)

    Smaller schools have a choice. Endowments or take the year off.

    Figure out something for restaurants and bars. They can open with fewer tables. Landlord tax abatements in exchange for reasonable tenant rent assistance. Payroll support repaid by a combo of an employer/employee payroll tax. A TEMPORARY food and beverage tax until the assistance is repaid. This is not a long term solution. Any plan must be modest both in measures and duration.

    Somebody has to pay for all this. Re-architecht the tax corporate and individual tax codes.

    Corporate
    $0-$50,000 10%
    $50,001 - $99,999 15%
    $100,000 - $199,999 20%
    $200,000 - $999,999 25%
    $1M - $250M 27%
    $250M - $1B 30%
    $1B 35%

    Close offshore loopholes.

    Individual rates 10% up to $50,000 (lower) 15% up to $100k (lower) Reset to previous marginal rates for income above.

    Eliminate long term welfare except for legitimate disabilities.

    While we are at it, introduce tuition grants for college students. Using marginal percentages based on family/individual income. Student debt kills the economy, placing undue burden on students and their parents.

    Allow corporations to earmark a portion of their tax liability for funding, receiving an ROI of 10% on contributions up to a maximum percentage of tax liability or capped dollar amount for larger corporations.

    Lots of capitalism here, support for small business, and lower to middle income individuals/families.

    Term limits or the rest is just blah blah blah.

    (I agree with quite a bit of it - just busting your balls).

    Term limits. Period. Eliminate PACs while you're at it and cap contributions at $2000 per individual and that's it. No corporate shills. gone, just gone.

    Eliminate public employee unions. You get to choose two of the three - great pay, great job security or great benefits. That's how the real world works.

  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,642

    HHusky said:

    Apparently staying home increases your odds to get the really bad version of CCP Vid.

    Science!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

    Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

    Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

    The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

    It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

    Science also told us that there are x and y chromosomes but now rats are telling us men are women and women are men. The brilliant scientists also said that we would have beach front property by now in Orlando. Science is politics to a rat. To be used when convenient and forgotten when wrong.
    Science sounds dangerous!

    Let's just pray and get the whole fucking thing wide open again. Can't make an omlette . . well, you know.
    Oh you are so right. Science does sound dangerous. `Its tough to type. My fingers are frozen from the oncoming ice age. Of course that is easier to deal with than the time I almost drowned in the ocean in Denver.

    the only time you rats use science is when you want to scare the masses into doing what you want them to do. Other than that, boys are girls and girls are boys to you people.

    But you stay in your dungeon and be safe HH. Let the little people risk their lives providing you power, food and water so you can FEEL GOOD about staying home.
    Madam, I'm much too old to learn more than two genders. You should have that debate with your kids.

    And I do appreciate you and the others allowing me to be comfortable. That's why I pay your bills and enormous taxes.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,207 Standard Supporter

    Libertarian conservative leaning.



    Fire Fauci. When I’ve been more accurate than this “Aids is going to infect us all” dude who can’t get a damn thing right – out. He is a pussy bureaucrat without a lick of common sense.



    Why not allow outdoor viewing of football games? If you are old and worried, don’t go. Definitely too early to make the call. One reason that we seem to be getting more serious cases from those locked in doors is the level of infection. If a family member has it, lots of the virus stuck in a small place and being constantly replenished and you get a heavy dose of the virus. Small amount of virus equates to lighter symptoms or asymptomatic.



    Restaurants make money when they are full. Like at lunch or on Thursdays – Saturday nights and happy hour. Most run on a string and can’t make it with their money making hours throttled back by 50%. Gut a restaurant’s revenue by 50% and no more restaurants. Some will make it but not most. Just heard one of my little favorites, Pacific Way Café in Gearhart at the coast is permanently closing. Already has a very small intimate dining area. Can’t make it at 50%.



    Free college? Someone has to pay for it. Maybe those who are making the economic decision with their own money and not my money is the way to go. I don’t want to pay to turn you into a socialist. Make student debt dismissible in bankruptcy and get the government out of the business.



    Someone needs to pay. Like why not the government workers that created this situation where someone needs to pay. America should be open for business to employ Americans. Shut the borders and institute E verify. Business doesn’t exist to fund parasites including a large percentage of government employees. You want less private sector activity, tax the hell out it. You want more sloth, subsidize it. Corporate profits are a long way off for most businesses.









  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,890
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Apparently staying home increases your odds to get the really bad version of CCP Vid.

    Science!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

    Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

    Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

    The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

    It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

    Science also told us that there are x and y chromosomes but now rats are telling us men are women and women are men. The brilliant scientists also said that we would have beach front property by now in Orlando. Science is politics to a rat. To be used when convenient and forgotten when wrong.
    Science sounds dangerous!

    Let's just pray and get the whole fucking thing wide open again. Can't make an omlette . . well, you know.
    Oh you are so right. Science does sound dangerous. `Its tough to type. My fingers are frozen from the oncoming ice age. Of course that is easier to deal with than the time I almost drowned in the ocean in Denver.

    the only time you rats use science is when you want to scare the masses into doing what you want them to do. Other than that, boys are girls and girls are boys to you people.

    But you stay in your dungeon and be safe HH. Let the little people risk their lives providing you power, food and water so you can FEEL GOOD about staying home.
    Madam, I'm much too old to learn more than two genders. You should have that debate with your kids.

    And I do appreciate you and the others allowing me to be comfortable. That's why I pay your bills and enormous taxes.
    Hey dipshit. I knew boys had penises and girls have vaginas in like preschool
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,431 Swaye's Wigwam

    Apparently staying home increases your odds to get the really bad version of CCP Vid.

    Science!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

    Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

    Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

    The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

    It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

    Lol, not shocking to anyone with a brain. Virus load matters as I’ve been saying. Infections in any disease are not binary at the individual level.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,642

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Apparently staying home increases your odds to get the really bad version of CCP Vid.

    Science!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

    Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

    Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

    The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

    It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

    Science also told us that there are x and y chromosomes but now rats are telling us men are women and women are men. The brilliant scientists also said that we would have beach front property by now in Orlando. Science is politics to a rat. To be used when convenient and forgotten when wrong.
    Science sounds dangerous!

    Let's just pray and get the whole fucking thing wide open again. Can't make an omlette . . well, you know.
    Oh you are so right. Science does sound dangerous. `Its tough to type. My fingers are frozen from the oncoming ice age. Of course that is easier to deal with than the time I almost drowned in the ocean in Denver.

    the only time you rats use science is when you want to scare the masses into doing what you want them to do. Other than that, boys are girls and girls are boys to you people.

    But you stay in your dungeon and be safe HH. Let the little people risk their lives providing you power, food and water so you can FEEL GOOD about staying home.
    Madam, I'm much too old to learn more than two genders. You should have that debate with your kids.

    And I do appreciate you and the others allowing me to be comfortable. That's why I pay your bills and enormous taxes.
    Hey dipshit. I knew boys had penises and girls have vaginas in like preschool
    I’ll buy you a trophy.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,970 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2020

    Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.

    Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.

    I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.

    The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.

    2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.

  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.

    Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.

    I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.

    The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.

    2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.

    While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.

    The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.

    Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,496 Standard Supporter

    Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.

    Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.

    I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.

    The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.

    2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.

    While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.

    The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.

    Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
    But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    They’re gone tommy and they aren’t coming back.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,727 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    Left leaner here. Open the gates. Isolation is destroying people. The specter of unintended consequences looms larger every day -- despair, financial ruin, suicides, etc.

    Keep Fauci. Regular press briefings. This shit is a moving target. Opening the gates means moving targets. If shit gets bad, further adjustments are needed.

    I'd bang in game attendance for football season. Play the games, but viewing only. Allowing large fall and winter crowds is just asking for shit to get way out of hand. Let the schools use their TV money and overfunded endowments to cover any deficits. Shit media deal? Time to reevaluate the conference broadcast deal. (Hi Larry Scott!)

    Smaller schools have a choice. Endowments or take the year off.

    Figure out something for restaurants and bars. They can open with fewer tables. Landlord tax abatements in exchange for reasonable tenant rent assistance. Payroll support repaid by a combo of an employer/employee payroll tax. A TEMPORARY food and beverage tax until the assistance is repaid. This is not a long term solution. Any plan must be modest both in measures and duration.

    Somebody has to pay for all this. Re-architecht the tax corporate and individual tax codes.

    Corporate
    $0-$50,000 10%
    $50,001 - $99,999 15%
    $100,000 - $199,999 20%
    $200,000 - $999,999 25%
    $1M - $250M 27%
    $250M - $1B 30%
    $1B 35%

    Close offshore loopholes.

    Individual rates 10% up to $50,000 (lower) 15% up to $100k (lower) Reset to previous marginal rates for income above.

    Eliminate long term welfare except for legitimate disabilities.

    While we are at it, introduce tuition grants for college students. Using marginal percentages based on family/individual income. Student debt kills the economy, placing undue burden on students and their parents.

    Allow corporations to earmark a portion of their tax liability for funding, receiving an ROI of 10% on contributions up to a maximum percentage of tax liability or capped dollar amount for larger corporations.

    Lots of capitalism here, support for small business, and lower to middle income individuals/families.

    So why are you left leaning when there's just so much evidence showing how or why democrat policies and big government only hurt humanity not help it?
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.

    Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.

    I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.

    The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.

    2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.

    While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.

    The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.

    Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
    But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.
    Yes, but most places shut down or limited/modified operations before any government intervention. Probably to match the drop in customer traffic. I see your point, but the bottom line was ruined by the virus/fear before any political intervention took place.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,496 Standard Supporter

    Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.

    Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.

    I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.

    The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.

    2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.

    While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.

    The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.

    Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
    But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.
    Yes, but most places shut down or limited/modified operations before any government intervention. Probably to match the drop in customer traffic. I see your point, but the bottom line was ruined by the virus/fear before any political intervention took place.
    Since we govern by anecdote now, I'll give you one: I can tell you first-hand that a business was ahead of the government, adapting, and doing ok, all things considered, prior to Inslee stepping in to save the day.

    Furthermore, the businesses by Inslee's magnanimous graces allowed to continue operating have adapted, again often before legal mandate, and are doing just fine, all things considered.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,459 Founders Club
    So if we can trust the people why are governors jack boot thugs?
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Yeah the whole 50% thing for restaurants sounds good, but there’s no way they can operate that way at a profit. That industry is run on razor thin margins.

    Quite honestly, most folks should be staying home and making their own dinner instead of going out to eat multiple times per week.

    I remember walking to school in the snow uphill both ways as a kid, and going to a restaurant was a BIG deal. It simply wasn't in the poor Throbber family household budget until college was all saved for and the bills were all paid and 10% was put away for a rainy day.

    The Throbber parents slid into the grave still holding a pretty decent estate and no financial worries well into their 80's when they died of the COVID four years ago.

    2/3 of the restaurants shouldn't be open in the first place. Probably the same for craft brewers.

    While I agree in principle about not going out as often as many people do from a frugal/financial standpoint, I also disagree about closing a bunch of restaurants.

    The personal finances of this country are pretty sad. But that’s not really gonna be solved by shutting down the craft brewery and the fancy burger place.

    Plus I like having those places around as options, and the people that work there need jobs too.
    But right now, that decision-making has been legal removed from the market.
    Yes, but most places shut down or limited/modified operations before any government intervention. Probably to match the drop in customer traffic. I see your point, but the bottom line was ruined by the virus/fear before any political intervention took place.
    Since we govern by anecdote now, I'll give you one: I can tell you first-hand that a business was ahead of the government, adapting, and doing ok, all things considered, prior to Inslee stepping in to save the day.

    Furthermore, the businesses by Inslee's magnanimous graces allowed to continue operating have adapted, again often before legal mandate, and are doing just fine, all things considered.
    I’m not a fan of saying who can or cannot operate. Bit we also have more information now than we did then.
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