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Serious Question

SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,536 Founders Club
edited April 2020 in Tug Tavern
Is it even legal for a Governor to force you to stay at home? I mean, without martial law declared, what powers does the government have to tell you that you cannot leave home? And there appears to be limited enforcement of this. Some dude in CA was wakeboarding alone on a a beach and they hauled him off in handcuffs. Cited some Mom and Dad who were at a baseball field with their daughter, alone, playing t-ball. I am sure there are lots of other examples. What gives some Governor the ability to tell me to lock myself in my house, and to arrest or ticket me if I do not comply?

This is a serious question. How can you "close" rivers and streams and tell people they can't fish in the middle of nowhere? Do the fish transmit COVID? I am really struggling to understand the validity of some low rent asshole like Governor Blackface telling me I can't go out.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,785 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    Is it even legal for a Governor to force you to stay at home? I mean, without martial law declared, what powers does the government have to tell you that you cannot leave home? And there appears to be limited enforcement of this. Some dude in CA was wakeboarding alone on a a beach and they hauled him off in handcuffs. Cited some Mom and Dad who were at a baseball field with their daughter, alone, playing t-ball. I am sure there are lots of other examples. What gives some Governor the ability to tell me to lock myself in my house, and to arrest or ticket me if I do not comply?

    This is a serious question. How can you "close" rivers and streams and tell people they can't fish in the middle of nowhere? Do the fish transmit COVID? I am really struggling to understand the validity of some low rent asshole like Governor Blackface telling me I can't go out.

    Not really. Each particular state has their own Constitution which grants the governor certain powers during emergencies.

    But if push came to shove, the US Constitution trumps (SWIDT) and the governor does not have the power or authority to suspend the US Constitution, specifically the First Amendment. It would be interesting to see whether local law enforcement agencies would follow a governor's mandate and make arrest. It is doubtful - Olympia's recent gun grab went over like a fart in a church with sheriff's in rural counties in E. Washington.

    However, by the time the legal challenge worked its way through the system, the COVID will have killed us all. Every damned last one of us. Or so we're told.



  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,785 Standard Supporter

    In a certain sense it's mass hypnosis.

    "Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced." - Albert Einstein*

    *Einstien

  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,242 Founders Club
    Then the Babylon Bee started writing real news stories.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/constitution-dies-of-coronavirus
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter
    For Warshington
    Thank you for emailing Rep. *********.

    I believe this will answer your question:


    RCW 43.06.220(4) states:

    (4) No order or orders concerning waiver or suspension of statutory obligations or limitations under subsection (2) of this section may continue for longer than thirty days unless extended by the legislature through concurrent resolution. If the legislature is not in session, the waiver or suspension of statutory obligations or limitations may be extended in writing by the leadership of the senate and the house of representatives until the legislature can extend the waiver or suspension by concurrent resolution. For purposes of this section, "leadership of the senate and the house of representatives" means the majority and minority leaders of the senate and the speaker and the minority leader of the house of representatives.

    Again, thank you for emailing Rep. *********. I hope this information is helpful.

    Have a good day,
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,242 Founders Club
    A ‘Liberty’ Rebellion in Idaho Threatens to Undermine Coronavirus Orders https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB12gfO9?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

    HR, YK.

    I just wish there was a better person to rally behind Ammon Bundy.

  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,068
    pawz said:

    Swaye said:

    Is it even legal for a Governor to force you to stay at home? I mean, without martial law declared, what powers does the government have to tell you that you cannot leave home? And there appears to be limited enforcement of this. Some dude in CA was wakeboarding alone on a a beach and they hauled him off in handcuffs. Cited some Mom and Dad who were at a baseball field with their daughter, alone, playing t-ball. I am sure there are lots of other examples. What gives some Governor the ability to tell me to lock myself in my house, and to arrest or ticket me if I do not comply?

    This is a serious question. How can you "close" rivers and streams and tell people they can't fish in the middle of nowhere? Do the fish transmit COVID? I am really struggling to understand the validity of some low rent asshole like Governor Blackface telling me I can't go out.

    It's a massive infringement on civil liberties. It's unfathomable to me that the public is letting our government get away with it. It's not like these were laws created by a legislative body either, these are the sole dictums of the governors of their respective States.

    Then there is the Edmonds Mayor who tried an emergency ban of firearms (since retracted). And did I mention the people weren't allowed to assemble at a city hall meeting to discuss?

    https://www.edmondsbeacon.com/story/2020/03/26/news/edmonds-mayor-changes-mind-on-proposed-emergency-firearms-ban/22916.html


    I honestly don't know which is more disconcerting. That our government officials brazenly violate our civil rights, or that the citizenry does not stand up and tell them to fuck off.
    They are actively cheering it on. Idiots like CD and claiming the superiority of California for closing everything down because possibly in the future Montana might have some cases. Or something


    As usual it doesn't make sense.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,785 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:

    Swaye said:

    Is it even legal for a Governor to force you to stay at home? I mean, without martial law declared, what powers does the government have to tell you that you cannot leave home? And there appears to be limited enforcement of this. Some dude in CA was wakeboarding alone on a a beach and they hauled him off in handcuffs. Cited some Mom and Dad who were at a baseball field with their daughter, alone, playing t-ball. I am sure there are lots of other examples. What gives some Governor the ability to tell me to lock myself in my house, and to arrest or ticket me if I do not comply?

    This is a serious question. How can you "close" rivers and streams and tell people they can't fish in the middle of nowhere? Do the fish transmit COVID? I am really struggling to understand the validity of some low rent asshole like Governor Blackface telling me I can't go out.

    It's a massive infringement on civil liberties. It's unfathomable to me that the public is letting our government get away with it. It's not like these were laws created by a legislative body either, these are the sole dictums of the governors of their respective States.

    Then there is the Edmonds Mayor who tried an emergency ban of firearms (since retracted). And did I mention the people weren't allowed to assemble at a city hall meeting to discuss?

    https://www.edmondsbeacon.com/story/2020/03/26/news/edmonds-mayor-changes-mind-on-proposed-emergency-firearms-ban/22916.html


    I honestly don't know which is more disconcerting. That our government officials brazenly violate our civil rights, or that the citizenry does not stand up and tell them to fuck off.
    I think that's coming. The Throbber is all about containment of disease but everybody has their fuck-off/this shit is stupid stale date.

    Mine is May 4. I determined 4/6 was sort of my re-assess stats date but have been too busy making stupid money to free up time to do that analysis.

  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,600
    Every state in the Union has a statute granting emergency powers to the Governor.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,242 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Every state in the Union has a statute granting emergency powers to the Governor.

    Hear that? That sound was the point wizzing past your empty nugget.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,068
    I'm pretty sure about 90 percent of the support is people not wanting to go to work lol
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,536 Founders Club

    I'm pretty sure about 90 percent of the support is people not wanting to go to work lol

    I have found myself lightly jerking off (mostly just heavy petting) myself during remote meetings. WFH might be the best thing ever.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,968

    We had our weekly project status call with the customer.

    April is out. May is a question. All depends on local leaders so we're fucked as far as getting back to work soon

    Your typical functionary thinks the economy restarts like a lawn mower. Every day closed takes three days to recover from

    I'm on a conference call right now. 10% reduction in salary, reduction of work hours by 40% which is another reduction in salary. Shit just got real.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,575 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    We had our weekly project status call with the customer.

    April is out. May is a question. All depends on local leaders so we're fucked as far as getting back to work soon

    Your typical functionary thinks the economy restarts like a lawn mower. Every day closed takes three days to recover from

    I'm on a conference call right now. 10% reduction in salary, reduction of work hours by 40% which is another reduction in salary. Shit just got real.
    And it will continue to
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,683 Standard Supporter
    Sh*t would get real if Trump announced that 40% of the federal workforce was being laid off without pay for a month. Notice we could shut down the federal non-essential workforce with our pretend budget battles, but it was always just a paid vacation like our still getting paid teachers who aren't teaching. Then have Trump declare a national emergency and require each state's governor lay off without pay 40% of the state workers. Next counties and cities. Then we could have a national debate on shutting everything down.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,600
    pawz said:

    HHusky said:

    Every state in the Union has a statute granting emergency powers to the Governor.

    Hear that? That sound was the point wizzing past your empty nugget.
    It’s actually directly responsive to the question: “Is it legal?”

    The answer is yes. The legislatures of the 50 states have said so.

    Carry on.
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