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    LoneStarDawgLoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,118
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    Alexis said:

    Golf fans in Charlotte this weekend without masks and near full attendance

    Seemed to be having a good time

    Went to the Mariners/Rangers games this weekend, Friday and Saturday in Arlington. When we walked up to the stadium, the usher out in the parking lot pointed to us and pointed to his mask, so we put ours one while entering. Once in I bought a beer so I pulled mine down to my chin while I walked. Once we got to our seat, we noticed no one in our section was wearing a mask.

    First time I got up to take a piss, I put it on to walk to the bathroom. About half way there, I realized no one else was wearing one. That was the last it was worn that night.

    Next night, we put them on to get through the ticket scan, and it was off the rest of the night. Probably 25,000 fans at the game, maybe 2,000 or so mask wearers. And nobody cared one way or the other if you wore one or not. It was nice being normal for a bit. (Then the M's catcher forgot that there was no force at home and lost the game in the 8th. So, normal)

    CSB.
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    GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,481
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    LoneStarDawgLoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,118
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    Looking forward to the sodo mojo variant which presents as full blown AIDS
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,931
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    So, why do I have to find this stuff on a conservative blog that 99% of Americans have never heard about? Of any of the lead "News" outlets, only Tucker on Fox has pushed the Wuhan lab escape with any vigor. You think that this would be of some interest to the American people. But, the MSM, otherwise known as dem party operatives still push the Wuhan wet market bat theory. Just don't call it the chicom crud - That's level 4 QAnon stuff.

    http://ace.mu.nu/

    A cover-up of the most lethal accident in history. Worse even than Chernobyl.

    And just as covered-up by ruthlessly self-interested governments.

    Including the US's.

    [I]f you brush away all the politics about the issue -- Donald Trump said it came from a lab, therefore it can't have -- and look just at the scientific facts, a reasonably likely answer is buried there. I'll try to explain what it is and sort out some of the consequences.
    There are two theories about the origin of SARS2, as the virus can be called for short. One is that it jumped naturally from bats to people, as the SARS1 epidemic did in 2002. The other is that it escaped from an experiment in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China's leading center of research on bat-type viruses.

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    Scientists "overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife," they said, calling for readers to stand with Chinese colleagues on the front line of fighting the disease.

    It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the New York City-based EcoHealth Alliance. Daszak's organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to The Lancet's readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, "We declare no competing interests."


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    The lab-escape scenario explains the facts above far more easily than does natural emergence. So let's ask who is to blame, provisionally, if the virus did indeed escape from a lab.

    Dr. Baric had developed, and taught Dr. Shi, a general method for engineering bat coronaviruses to attack other species. The specific targets were human cells grown in cultures and humanised mice. These laboratory mice, a cheap and ethical stand-in for human subjects, are genetically engineered to carry the human version of a protein called ACE2 that studs the surface of cells that line the airways.
    Dr. Shi returned to her lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and resumed the work she had started on genetically engineering coronaviruses to attack human cells.

    How can we be so sure?

    Because, by a strange twist in the story, her work was funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH). And grant proposals that funded her work, which are a matter of public record, specify exactly what she planned to do with the money.

    The grants were assigned to the prime contractor, Dr. Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, who subcontracted them to Dr. Shi. Here are extracts from the grants for fiscal years 2018 and 2019. "CoV" stands for coronavirus and "S protein" refers to the virus's spike protein.

    "Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanised mice."

    "We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential."

    What this means, in non-technical language, is that Dr. Shi set out to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells. Her plan was to take genes that coded for spike proteins possessing a variety of measured affinities for human cells, ranging from high to low. She would insert these spike genes one by one into the backbone of a number of viral genomes ("reverse genetics" and "infectious clone technology"), creating a series of chimeric viruses. These chimeric viruses would then be tested for their ability to attack human cell cultures ("in vitro") and humanised mice ("in vivo"). And this information would help predict the likelihood of "spillover," the jump of a coronavirus from bats to people.

    The methodical approach was designed to find the best combination of coronavirus backbone and spike protein for infecting human cells. The approach could have generated SARS2-like viruses, and indeed may have created the SARS2 virus itself with the right combination of virus backbone and spike protein.

    It cannot yet be stated that Dr. Shi did or did not generate SARS2 in her lab because her records have been sealed, but it seems she was certainly on the right track to have done so. "It is clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses and was assessing their ability to infect human cells and human-ACE2-expressing mice," says Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety.

    "It is also clear," Dr. Ebright said, "that, depending on the constant genomic contexts chosen for analysis, this work could have produced SARS-CoV-2 or a proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2." "Genomic context" refers to the particular viral backbone used as the testbed for the spike protein.

    The lab escape scenario for the origin of the SARS2 virus, as should by now be evident, is not mere hand-waving in the direction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. It is a detailed proposal, based on the specific project being funded there by the NIAID.

    Even if the grant required the work plan described above, how can we be sure that the plan was in fact carried out? For that we can rely on the word of Dr. Daszak, who has been much protesting for the last 15 months that lab escape was a ludicrous conspiracy theory invented by China-bashers.

    On December 9, 2019, before the outbreak of the pandemic became generally known, Dr. Daszak gave an interview in which he talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humanised mice.

    "And we have now found, you know, after 6 or 7 years of doing this, over 100 new SARS-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS," Dr. Daszak says around minute 28 of the interview. "Some of them get into human cells in the lab, some of them can cause SARS disease in humanised mice models and are untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals and you can't vaccinate against them with a vaccine. So, these are a clear and present danger...

    Interviewer: You say these are diverse coronaviruses and you can't vaccinate against them, and no anti-virals -- so what do we do?

    "Daszak: Well I think... coronaviruses -- you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily. Spike protein drives a lot of what happen with coronavirus, in zoonotic risk. So you can get the sequence, you can build the protein, and we work a lot with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this. Insert into the backbone of another virus and do some work in the lab. So you can get more predictive when you find a sequence. You've got this diversity. Now the logical progression for vaccines is, if you are going to develop a vaccine for SARS, people are going to use pandemic SARS, but let�s insert some of these other things and get a better vaccine." The insertions he referred to perhaps included an element called the furin cleavage site, discussed below, which greatly increases viral infectivity for human cells.

    In disjointed style, Dr. Daszak is referring to the fact that once you have generated a novel coronavirus that can attack human cells, you can take the spike protein and make it the basis for a vaccine....

    It does us no good to get insight into a coronavirus-type vaccine when the labs are releasing that very plague upon the world. We do not allow firefighters to set fire to cities -- even if it helps them get better at putting fires out.

    But because the media is abetting the ruling class' cover-up, they are keeping us from having an informed cost-benefit analysis of this type of research.

    Admire how incredibly inadequate the safety standards were for The Bat Lady's bat virus splicing:

    Not only was she generating dangerous viruses, she was doing so in arguably unsafe conditions. There are many Internet photos of Shi working in a bubble suit in the highest-level safety lab, known as a BSL4. But these labs are a pain to work in, and all her coronavirus work, she has said, was done at lower safety levels, including one known as BSL2.
    But despite the fancy acronym, BSL2 doesn�t require very much. You have to wear a lab coat and gloves, put up a biohazard warning, and that's about it.

    "It is clear that some or all of this work was being performed using a biosafety standard -- biosafety level 2, the biosafety level of a standard US dentist's office -- that would pose an unacceptably high risk of infection of laboratory staff upon contact with a virus having the transmission properties of SARS-CoV-2," says Ebright.


    They're keeping the Wuhan open to create new monsters that it will, of course, then let escape.

    And they will not admit that the virus probably came from a lab, which would, at the very least, spur us to increase the safety standards in labs to above those of the local dentist office.
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    MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,781
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    Golf fans in Charlotte this weekend without masks and near full attendance

    Seemed to be having a good time

    Super spreader event
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,863
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    Looking forward to the sodo mojo variant which presents as full blown AIDS
    That’s called the Mariners every year after the all star break.
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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    Looking forward to the sodo mojo variant which presents as full blown AIDS
    That’s called the Mariners every year after the all star break.
    After?
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,863
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    Looking forward to the sodo mojo variant which presents as full blown AIDS
    That’s called the Mariners every year after the all star break.
    After?
    The judges will also accept “Opening Day”
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    LoneStarDawgLoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,118
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    Looking forward to the sodo mojo variant which presents as full blown AIDS
    That’s called the Mariners every year after the all star break.
    After?
    The judges will also accept “Opening Day”

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    hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,343
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    Mask mandates and lockdowns are just as effective as cowshit
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,244
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    hardhat said:

    Mask mandates and lockdowns are just as effective as cowshit

    I'm gnu to Gu. If vid cases are coming down precipitously, are flu, colds, pneumonia etc on the rise?
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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    RoadTrip said:

    hardhat said:

    Mask mandates and lockdowns are just as effective as cowshit

    I'm gnu to Gu. If vid cases are coming down precipitously, are flu, colds, pneumonia etc on the rise?
    Chinevitable with people gathering again and social distancing mandates being rolled back
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