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pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,481 Founders Club
edited April 2020 in Tug Tavern
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-biological-experiments-infect-humans-coronavirus-exposed-2015-italian-state


Five years ago, Italian state owned media Company, Rai – Radiotelevisione Italiana, exposed dark efforts by China on viruses. The video, which was broadcast in November, 2015, showed how Chinese scientists were doing biological experiments on a SARS connected virus believed to be Coronavirus, derived from bats and mice, asking whether it was worth the risk in order to be able to modify the virus for compatibility with human organisms.



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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,137 Standard Supporter
    Fuck those guys.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,323 Standard Supporter
    This was my conspiracy theory 6 weeks ago.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,793 Swaye's Wigwam
    my conspiracy theory is 700,000 infected and 200,000 dead because a guy in a market in Wuhan ate a bat
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,137 Standard Supporter
    LebamDawg said:

    my conspiracy theory is 700,000 infected and 200,000 dead because a guy in a market in Wuhan ate a bat

    Sure.gif

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,859 Founders Club
    We've gone from 37,000 deaths worldwide from before the weekend to 42,000 worldwide today. Where's the mountain of bodies. 1.5 weeks to go, but still.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    haie said:

    We've gone from 37,000 deaths worldwide from before the weekend to 42,000 worldwide today. Where's the mountain of bodies. 1.5 weeks to go, but still.

    The worldwide death count was at 27k before last weekend.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,211 Founders Club
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    Would it shock anyone that China enjoys killing people and especially Americans??? I would be shocked I tell you!
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    It's grim

    Grim milestone
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,211 Founders Club
    Grim soaring milestone
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?

  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,171 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?
    Keep doing what was winning. Under Trump, the United States was making great strides. Stop selling out our economy to the Chinese. Equalize the playing field through tax incentives and tariffs. Bring American manufacturing back home!
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737

    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?
    More serious?

    Its not what we do to China its what we do for ourselves. Move the supply chains to countries that don't want to destroy us. Close our markets to China products. Embargo travel from China to the US

    Develop new markets. Build the American economy to buy our own shit made with good wages by people who can afford to buy our shit

    America First and Forever

    Extend a hand to mexico. Fix the border and supply jobs. Keep products on the same continent.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?
    Keep doing what was winning. Under Trump, the United States was making great strides. Stop selling out our economy to the Chinese. Equalize the playing field through tax incentives and tariffs. Bring American manufacturing back home!
    Moving the manufacturing of pharmaceuticals and other health care peripherals back to the United States is economic nonsense. There aren't enough subsidies in the budget to sway manufacturers into making that a reality.

    Let's just get it the fuck out of China. Plenty of other third world manufacturing hubs out there that don't grab us by the balls with threats to our national security.
    Quite honestly I don't disagree although getting vital medical shit in our own country could be considered national defense at this point
    It absolutely should be viewed through the lens of national defense. The fact that we're somewhat beholden to China is what's so scary about the current situation. Now as is the case with all trade matters, there are plenty of medical finished goods that we export to China, among other economic incentivizers.

    So it's definitely a cold war of sorts in the sense that "if you fuck up our covid response by withholding crucial drugs/equipment then we'll kill your people by withholding our cancer therapies" is always in the back pocket. Thankfully I don't think either country is too interested in playing that game at the moment. But going forward, it's always going to benefit national security the more "diversified" our supply chain is.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,171 Founders Club

    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?
    Keep doing what was winning. Under Trump, the United States was making great strides. Stop selling out our economy to the Chinese. Equalize the playing field through tax incentives and tariffs. Bring American manufacturing back home!
    Moving the manufacturing of pharmaceuticals and other health care peripherals back to the United States is economic nonsense. There aren't enough subsidies in the budget to sway manufacturers into making that a reality.

    Let's just get it the fuck out of China. Plenty of other third world manufacturing hubs out there that don't grab us by the balls with threats to our national security.
    Quite honestly I don't disagree although getting vital medical shit in our own country could be considered national defense at this point
    It absolutely should be viewed through the lens of national defense. The fact that we're somewhat beholden to China is what's so scary about the current situation. Now as is the case with all trade matters, there are plenty of medical finished goods that we export to China, among other economic incentivizers.

    So it's definitely a cold war of sorts in the sense that "if you fuck up our covid response by withholding crucial drugs/equipment then we'll kill your people by withholding our cancer therapies" is always in the back pocket. Thankfully I don't think either country is too interested in playing that game at the moment. But going forward, it's always going to benefit national security the more "diversified" our supply chain is.
    Does China actually give a shit about their masses? Wouldn't they rather see them dead?
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,481 Founders Club

    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?
    Keep doing what was winning. Under Trump, the United States was making great strides. Stop selling out our economy to the Chinese. Equalize the playing field through tax incentives and tariffs. Bring American manufacturing back home!
    Moving the manufacturing of pharmaceuticals and other health care peripherals back to the United States is economic nonsense. There aren't enough subsidies in the budget to sway manufacturers into making that a reality.

    Let's just get it the fuck out of China. Plenty of other third world manufacturing hubs out there that don't grab us by the balls with threats to our national security.
    Pardon fucking me for not having any sympathy for costs the Pharmaceutical industry may have to bear.

    If they didn't have monopolistic control - at the behest of Congress - over their pricing, I might be more sympathetic.

    As of now, fuck them and come home in the quickest manner possible.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,907 Standard Supporter
    I say we wipe any China debt off the books but I don't know if that will be enough to compensate us for what they have done.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Let's move on a bit. Once we get on the down side of the curve and are not in terminal reaction mode, what should the US response be to China?


    That is certainly a chinteresting response Mr. Bannon. But what might be some less lethal responses?
    Keep doing what was winning. Under Trump, the United States was making great strides. Stop selling out our economy to the Chinese. Equalize the playing field through tax incentives and tariffs. Bring American manufacturing back home!
    Moving the manufacturing of pharmaceuticals and other health care peripherals back to the United States is economic nonsense. There aren't enough subsidies in the budget to sway manufacturers into making that a reality.

    Let's just get it the fuck out of China. Plenty of other third world manufacturing hubs out there that don't grab us by the balls with threats to our national security.
    Pardon fucking me for not having any sympathy for costs the Pharmaceutical industry may have to bear.

    If they didn't have monopolistic control - at the behest of Congress - over their pricing, I might be more sympathetic.

    As of now, fuck them and come home in the quickest manner possible.
    Okay. How do you propose we bring them back?
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,216 Founders Club
    This is easy, kick them out of the WTO. Permanently, until they actually have free markets and democratic elections.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    pawz said:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-biological-experiments-infect-humans-coronavirus-exposed-2015-italian-state


    Five years ago, Italian state owned media Company, Rai – Radiotelevisione Italiana, exposed dark efforts by China on viruses. The video, which was broadcast in November, 2015, showed how Chinese scientists were doing biological experiments on a SARS connected virus believed to be Coronavirus, derived from bats and mice, asking whether it was worth the risk in order to be able to modify the virus for compatibility with human organisms.



    Why are you repeating fringe conspiracy theories that were rightfully used to discredit that far-right nut Tom Cotton?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,211 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    pawz said:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-biological-experiments-infect-humans-coronavirus-exposed-2015-italian-state


    Five years ago, Italian state owned media Company, Rai – Radiotelevisione Italiana, exposed dark efforts by China on viruses. The video, which was broadcast in November, 2015, showed how Chinese scientists were doing biological experiments on a SARS connected virus believed to be Coronavirus, derived from bats and mice, asking whether it was worth the risk in order to be able to modify the virus for compatibility with human organisms.



    Why are you repeating fringe conspiracy theories that were rightfully used to discredit that far-right nut Tom Cotton?
    H loves him some Chi Coms
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,859 Founders Club
    edited April 2020

    haie said:

    We've gone from 37,000 deaths worldwide from before the weekend to 42,000 worldwide today. Where's the mountain of bodies. 1.5 weeks to go, but still.

    The worldwide death count was at 27k before last weekend.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/
    It was at 35-37k all weekend.

    I guess I don't understand exponential growth but even 42k - 27k still makes my point for me.