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My mind has been changed. It's tim to become more like Sweden

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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-swedish-experiment-looks-like-it-s-paying-off

    There are also encouraging signs that the growth of reported infections is also slowing down – a development that holds for both Stockholm (by far the worst affected region) and the rest of the country. The estimate from the Public Health Agency is that 100,000 people will show up at a hospital and test positive for Covid-19: the current headcount, just south of 14,800, suggests we are broadly in line with that estimate – if not below it.

    Perhaps more important is the situation at our hospitals and their intensive care wards. The main ambition of suppression policies, after all, has been to avoid hospitals getting overwhelmed by patients they cannot treat because of shortages of staff, equipment and intensive care beds. Modellers in Sweden that have followed an Imperial College type approach have suggested demand will peak at 8,000 to 9,000 patients in intensive care per day. But actual numbers are telling a very different story. Yes, the situation is stressful, but – mercifully – the growth in intensive care patients has slowed down remarkably and the number of patients currently in intensive care has flatlined.

    We now have about 530 patients in intensive care in the country: our hospital capacity is twice as high at 1,100. Stockholm now averages about 220 critical care patients per day and its hospitals, far from being overwhelmed, have capacity for another 70. Stockholm also reports that it has several hundred inpatient care beds unoccupied and that people shouldn’t hesitate to seek hospital care if they feel sick. A new field ward has been set up in Stockholm for intensive and inpatient care and some predicted it would start getting patients two weeks ago. It hasn’t received any patients yet.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/22/sweden-health-agency-withdraws-controversial-coronavirus-report/#26e627d64349
    The Swedish Public Health Agency made international headlines yesterday by estimating that one-third of Stockholm residents would be infected with the coronavirus by May 1. Less than 24 hours later, the Agency has taken a dramatic u-turn and withdrawn the report.

    The decision was announced via Twitter: "We have discovered an error in the report and so the authors are currently going through the material again. We will republish the report as soon as it is ready."

    Error not explained, yet

    While the nature of the error was not disclosed, the Agency also said they would share more information about it once the revised report was complete.

    During yesterday’s press conference, the deputy state epidemiologist Anders Wallenstein announced the report based on data models that indicated the spread of the coronavirus was much higher than previously thought. Among the claims were that for every one person tested positive for COVID-19, up to 999 others could also have the infection without knowing.

    Swedish journalist Emanuel Karlsten queried this during a Q&A session at the press conference. Given there are more than 15,000 confirmed cases, the Agency’s estimate would mean that the total number of likely infections would be greater than the entire population of Sweden.


    Whoops.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,442 Founders Club
    Fuck

    The point isn't that the models were garbage and continually change to represent what actually happened. Its that we? made a hug public policy decision based on them that fucked millions

    It is the fucking ESPN Win Percentage

    Team is way ahead they have a great chance!!!! Comeback comes and they don't!!

    It would be like the Pats leaving the field midway through the third quarter against the Falcons because the models showed they were going to lose
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,442 Founders Club

    Fuck

    The point isn't that the models were garbage and continually change to represent what actually happened. Its that we? made a hug public policy decision based on them that fucked millions

    It is the fucking ESPN Win Percentage

    Team is way ahead they have a great chance!!!! Comeback comes and they don't!!

    It would be like the Pats leaving the field midway through the third quarter against the Falcons because the models showed they were going to lose

    This guy was dialed in
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,521 Standard Supporter

    Fuck

    The point isn't that the models were garbage and continually change to represent what actually happened. Its that we? made a hug public policy decision based on them that fucked millions

    It is the fucking ESPN Win Percentage

    Team is way ahead they have a great chance!!!! Comeback comes and they don't!!

    It would be like the Pats leaving the field midway through the third quarter against the Falcons because the models showed they were going to lose

    This. This fucking this this this.

    If ever there was a LIFPO moment, it was COVID over-react time. Shut the fucking borders, hunker down and go out as necessary. But the whole OMG the sky is falling we need ventilators and build field hospitals in Century Link was egregious.

    This scene played out in hundreds of municipalities around the country - and once they smelled FEMA money, the feeding frenzy was on.

  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter

    Weighing Sweden’s Coronavirus Model

    The American left has misunderstood Sweden for years, holding up its significantly liberalized economy as a socialist utopia. Now the misapprehension has moved in the opposite direction, as progressives fret over the country’s supposed economy-over-life approach to Covid-19.

    While its neighbors and the rest of Europe imposed strict lockdowns, Stockholm has taken a relatively permissive approach. It has focused on testing and building up health-care capacity while relying on voluntary social distancing, which Swedes have embraced.

    The country isn’t a free-for-all. Restaurants and bars remain open, though only for table service. Younger students are still attending school, but universities have moved to remote learning. Gatherings with more than 50 people are banned, along with visits to elderly-care homes. Even with relatively lax rules, travel in the country dropped some 90% over Easter weekend.

    Officials say the country’s strategy—which is similar to the United Kingdom’s before it reversed abruptly in March—is to contain the virus enough to not overwhelm its health system. Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, said the country isn’t actively trying to achieve broad immunity. But he predicted late last month that “we could reach herd immunity in Stockholm within a matter of weeks.” Some British public-health officials reportedly leaned toward less restrictive measures before the country’s leaders imposed a harsh lockdown.

    This is important context as Sweden takes heat for its relatively high infection rate and death toll. The country of 10 million has 22,721 confirmed cases and 2,769 deaths. Compare that to 240 deaths in Finland, 214 in Norway, and 493 in Denmark—countries with populations under six million. The numbers seem much worse, but Swedish officials say they already are stabilizing.

  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,069 Standard Supporter
    All I know is that the little liberal Governor's turned into screaming communist dictators running a communist state pretty damn quick!

    The new stimulus bill the left proposes includes vote by mail with registration and voting up to 10 days after an election.

    Holy ballot harvesting Batman!

    This lock down has become communism in the blink of an eye.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,851

    Weighing Sweden’s Coronavirus Model

    The American left has misunderstood Sweden for years, holding up its significantly liberalized economy as a socialist utopia. Now the misapprehension has moved in the opposite direction, as progressives fret over the country’s supposed economy-over-life approach to Covid-19.

    While its neighbors and the rest of Europe imposed strict lockdowns, Stockholm has taken a relatively permissive approach. It has focused on testing and building up health-care capacity while relying on voluntary social distancing, which Swedes have embraced.

    The country isn’t a free-for-all. Restaurants and bars remain open, though only for table service. Younger students are still attending school, but universities have moved to remote learning. Gatherings with more than 50 people are banned, along with visits to elderly-care homes. Even with relatively lax rules, travel in the country dropped some 90% over Easter weekend.

    Officials say the country’s strategy—which is similar to the United Kingdom’s before it reversed abruptly in March—is to contain the virus enough to not overwhelm its health system. Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, said the country isn’t actively trying to achieve broad immunity. But he predicted late last month that “we could reach herd immunity in Stockholm within a matter of weeks.” Some British public-health officials reportedly leaned toward less restrictive measures before the country’s leaders imposed a harsh lockdown.

    This is important context as Sweden takes heat for its relatively high infection rate and death toll. The country of 10 million has 22,721 confirmed cases and 2,769 deaths. Compare that to 240 deaths in Finland, 214 in Norway, and 493 in Denmark—countries with populations under six million. The numbers seem much worse, but Swedish officials say they already are stabilizing.






    The Swedes like boobs and common sense.

    It's the fucking Norwegians one needs to worry about. Stubborn motherfuckers.
    Yella is one of those. I'm not sure which so I'm going to assume he's norwegian.
    Those gangly boob-hating freaks of nature
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,638 Founders Club

    Weighing Sweden’s Coronavirus Model

    The American left has misunderstood Sweden for years, holding up its significantly liberalized economy as a socialist utopia. Now the misapprehension has moved in the opposite direction, as progressives fret over the country’s supposed economy-over-life approach to Covid-19.

    While its neighbors and the rest of Europe imposed strict lockdowns, Stockholm has taken a relatively permissive approach. It has focused on testing and building up health-care capacity while relying on voluntary social distancing, which Swedes have embraced.

    The country isn’t a free-for-all. Restaurants and bars remain open, though only for table service. Younger students are still attending school, but universities have moved to remote learning. Gatherings with more than 50 people are banned, along with visits to elderly-care homes. Even with relatively lax rules, travel in the country dropped some 90% over Easter weekend.

    Officials say the country’s strategy—which is similar to the United Kingdom’s before it reversed abruptly in March—is to contain the virus enough to not overwhelm its health system. Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, said the country isn’t actively trying to achieve broad immunity. But he predicted late last month that “we could reach herd immunity in Stockholm within a matter of weeks.” Some British public-health officials reportedly leaned toward less restrictive measures before the country’s leaders imposed a harsh lockdown.

    This is important context as Sweden takes heat for its relatively high infection rate and death toll. The country of 10 million has 22,721 confirmed cases and 2,769 deaths. Compare that to 240 deaths in Finland, 214 in Norway, and 493 in Denmark—countries with populations under six million. The numbers seem much worse, but Swedish officials say they already are stabilizing.






    The Swedes like boobs and common sense.

    It's the fucking Norwegians one needs to worry about. Stubborn motherfuckers.
    OMG, OMG....
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