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Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60

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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,601
    edited March 2020
    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,599 Founders Club
    edited March 2020
    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,601

    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
    I said then what I say now. I was practically begging to be appointed to Gasbag’s death panel.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,969
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
    I said then what I say now. I was practically begging to be appointed to Gasbag’s death panel.
    And yet you never said a word against any of your leftist pals who claimed the entire "death panels" claim was a lie.

    Shocking!!!
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,601
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
    I said then what I say now. I was practically begging to be appointed to Gasbag’s death panel.
    And yet you never said a word against any of your leftist pals who claimed the entire "death panels" claim was a lie.

    Shocking!!!
    I expressed my opinion at the time, and more than once. I guess you wanted me to shriek it at someone, as you would have.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,969
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
    I said then what I say now. I was practically begging to be appointed to Gasbag’s death panel.
    And yet you never said a word against any of your leftist pals who claimed the entire "death panels" claim was a lie.

    Shocking!!!
    I expressed my opinion at the time, and more than once. I guess you wanted me to shriek it at someone, as you would have.
    Liar. You never once called out the people on your team that were attacking Palin and calling her a liar.

    Do you have no fucking shame you lying piece of shit?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,601
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
    I said then what I say now. I was practically begging to be appointed to Gasbag’s death panel.
    And yet you never said a word against any of your leftist pals who claimed the entire "death panels" claim was a lie.

    Shocking!!!
    I expressed my opinion at the time, and more than once. I guess you wanted me to shriek it at someone, as you would have.
    Liar. You never once called out the people on your team that were attacking Palin and calling her a liar.

    Do you have no fucking shame you lying piece of shit?
    When I expressed my own opinion, you couldn’t understand that it was different than the opinions of people you argued with apparently. That’s a you problem.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,969
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
    I said then what I say now. I was practically begging to be appointed to Gasbag’s death panel.
    And yet you never said a word against any of your leftist pals who claimed the entire "death panels" claim was a lie.

    Shocking!!!
    I expressed my opinion at the time, and more than once. I guess you wanted me to shriek it at someone, as you would have.
    Liar. You never once called out the people on your team that were attacking Palin and calling her a liar.

    Do you have no fucking shame you lying piece of shit?
    When I expressed my own opinion, you couldn’t understand that it was different than the opinions of people you argued with apparently. That’s a you problem.
    Do you see what a mouthy little Kunt you're being right now O'Keefed? You never once did this with any of the dozens of leftist Kunts who claimed Palin was lying. Go fuck yourself.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,601
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    DJDuck said:

    Tell us specifically “what has always existed” certainly Obamacare has not always existed. Please explain your comment.

    People deciding who gets care and how much is not new anywhere on earth. And this is always what happens when there are not enough resources for everyone.
    So why did Obama cock suckers like yourself freak out over Palin talking about death panels?

    Because you're dishonest to your rotting core
    I said then what I say now. I was practically begging to be appointed to Gasbag’s death panel.
    And yet you never said a word against any of your leftist pals who claimed the entire "death panels" claim was a lie.

    Shocking!!!
    I expressed my opinion at the time, and more than once. I guess you wanted me to shriek it at someone, as you would have.
    Liar. You never once called out the people on your team that were attacking Palin and calling her a liar.

    Do you have no fucking shame you lying piece of shit?
    When I expressed my own opinion, you couldn’t understand that it was different than the opinions of people you argued with apparently. That’s a you problem.
    Do you see what a mouthy little Kunt you're being right now O'Keefed? You never once did this with any of the dozens of leftist Kunts who claimed Palin was lying. Go fuck yourself.
    I’m not trying to make you cry. At least not a lot.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Triage. Not a new idea.

    Triage isn't "everyone over 60 can die"

    HTH
    Triage is allocating scarce resources based on the odds of survival. Sorry old boy. We all have to go sometime.

    You guys are delusional if you don't think those same choices aren't about to be decided here.

    To some degree, the US healthcare system needs to address this end of life stuff irregardless*. Horrific amount of resources are spent in the last days of life. We don't do death well in this country at all.

    I spent some time yesterday chatting with my neighbor who is an ER doc (at an appropriate distance). His hospital isn't extremely stressed at this point but he has seen a rise in the 'sniffles' kind of patients. Fortunately, he also said the off-site testing facilities in the region have also probably sheltered them a bit otherwise he'd have expected a full-on blitz on the ER with every Tom, Dick and Harry with a cold. In this area, 93% of the people tested are coming back negative - which just means the symptoms are pretty similar to cold/flu season.

    That led to our discussion of end of life philosophy in US medicine. He was pretty clinical and said once a person is into their mid-80's, if they are in the hospital, they are pretty well gonna die. He says the staff can predict with relative certainty on who is going to die the minute they walk in. From a personal standpoint, he is conflicted as far as providing treatment to prolong life at the family's wishes and what is actually best for the patient in terms of suffering.

    Maybe the whole COVID thing will cause a thorough examination of our medical system, prioritization of needs and some other reforms/re-thinking that needs to take place. Maybe, just maybe, the sheeple will also wake the fuck up to the scam being perpetrated on them by their 'leaders' and vote them the fuck out.

    WA State recovers umpteen millions per year in end-of-life Medicaid costs incurred by elderly dying patients by putting a Medicaid Lien on the deceased's primary residence. Obamacare boosted the State's rights and power to do so. So if you want your kids to get the house, you better start giving it away tax-free each year in your 50s and shelter the fuck out of your wealth.
    It's a really fucked system. So Junior wants to keep Mama alive for another two weeks while Coed Daughter with Daddy Issues in Pullman can finish finals, bone a few football players and have shots at the Coug before coming home to say goodbye to Nana. Meanwhile, Nana is choking in her own vomit and being intubated and fed through a tube with round the clock care. Good times with the morphine drip rocking 24/7.

    Then the state funds all this shit and puts a lien on Junior's probable only inheritance asset from which he was hoping to sell and pay off boning daughters crushing student debt from her 6 years dicking ballers on the Palouse.

    It's fucked up.

    Always about CUOG co-eds with Daddy issues with the Throbber. Always.
    Right? Usually they’re from Bellevue though and the lost inheritance angle wouldn’t be in play.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,791 Standard Supporter

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Triage. Not a new idea.

    Triage isn't "everyone over 60 can die"

    HTH
    Triage is allocating scarce resources based on the odds of survival. Sorry old boy. We all have to go sometime.

    You guys are delusional if you don't think those same choices aren't about to be decided here.

    To some degree, the US healthcare system needs to address this end of life stuff irregardless*. Horrific amount of resources are spent in the last days of life. We don't do death well in this country at all.

    I spent some time yesterday chatting with my neighbor who is an ER doc (at an appropriate distance). His hospital isn't extremely stressed at this point but he has seen a rise in the 'sniffles' kind of patients. Fortunately, he also said the off-site testing facilities in the region have also probably sheltered them a bit otherwise he'd have expected a full-on blitz on the ER with every Tom, Dick and Harry with a cold. In this area, 93% of the people tested are coming back negative - which just means the symptoms are pretty similar to cold/flu season.

    That led to our discussion of end of life philosophy in US medicine. He was pretty clinical and said once a person is into their mid-80's, if they are in the hospital, they are pretty well gonna die. He says the staff can predict with relative certainty on who is going to die the minute they walk in. From a personal standpoint, he is conflicted as far as providing treatment to prolong life at the family's wishes and what is actually best for the patient in terms of suffering.

    Maybe the whole COVID thing will cause a thorough examination of our medical system, prioritization of needs and some other reforms/re-thinking that needs to take place. Maybe, just maybe, the sheeple will also wake the fuck up to the scam being perpetrated on them by their 'leaders' and vote them the fuck out.

    WA State recovers umpteen millions per year in end-of-life Medicaid costs incurred by elderly dying patients by putting a Medicaid Lien on the deceased's primary residence. Obamacare boosted the State's rights and power to do so. So if you want your kids to get the house, you better start giving it away tax-free each year in your 50s and shelter the fuck out of your wealth.
    It's a really fucked system. So Junior wants to keep Mama alive for another two weeks while Coed Daughter with Daddy Issues in Pullman can finish finals, bone a few football players and have shots at the Coug before coming home to say goodbye to Nana. Meanwhile, Nana is choking in her own vomit and being intubated and fed through a tube with round the clock care. Good times with the morphine drip rocking 24/7.

    Then the state funds all this shit and puts a lien on Junior's probable only inheritance asset from which he was hoping to sell and pay off boning daughters crushing student debt from her 6 years dicking ballers on the Palouse.

    It's fucked up.

    Always about CUOG co-eds with Daddy issues with the Throbber. Always.
    A man's gotta know his limitations.

  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,536 Founders Club
    edited March 2020
    Lawyers are the most worthless group of humans ever assembled, aside from HR fags. @creepycoug excepted of course
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,601
    Swaye said:

    Lawyers are the most worthless group of humans ever assembled, aside from HR fags. @creepycoug excepted of course

    You should have taken the plea deal. Don’t blame your lawyer.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,988 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Swaye said:

    Lawyers are the most worthless group of humans ever assembled, aside from HR fags. @creepycoug excepted of course

    You should have taken the plea deal. Don’t blame your lawyer.
    Figures the flunky coward lawyer would say that.
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