That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money.
Abortion isn’t mandatory, Mr. Liberty. If brown people choose it, what’s your beef with that?
Exactly. We need to make it as easy and cheap (free) as possible for people to choose to kill the pours and the browns.
Gosnell is in prison. A blithering idiot’s statement in an interview cannot change the fact that murder is still illegal in 50 states and the District of Columbia.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money.
Abortion isn’t mandatory, Mr. Liberty. If brown people choose it, what’s your beef with that?
Exactly. We need to make it as easy and cheap (free) as possible for people to choose to kill the pours and the browns.
You’re conflating the issues. Assuming they pay for it, what is your beef with brown people choosing abortion?
Still relying on the ol’ strawman gambit I see HUDS
No straw man. You want to choose for others. I don’t.
Funny how this argument doesn't apply to your desire to raise income taxes. You're free to pay more taxes right now. But you don't do it. You want to "choose" for others and force them to pay taxes you're currently unwilling to pay.
Gosnell is in prison. A blithering idiot’s statement in an interview cannot change the fact that murder is still illegal in 50 states and the District of Columbia.
Another talking point O'Keefed has been rocking for years. What's he in prison for O'Keefed? I'll give you a fucking hint and it's the same hint I gave you when you first trotted out this red herring. It wasn't for providing late term abortions. Put please continue you fucking hack.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money.
Abortion isn’t mandatory, Mr. Liberty. If brown people choose it, what’s your beef with that?
Exactly. We need to make it as easy and cheap (free) as possible for people to choose to kill the pours and the browns.
You’re conflating the issues. Assuming they pay for it, what is your beef with brown people choosing abortion?
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money. We might want to extend this logic throughout people lives after they are born.
Well I guess we disagree on this point.
I didn't mean that I think it's good public policy so that we keep the Browns in check. OBK is your Huckleberry for reasonable amounts; not me.
But if there is a fundamental public interest in legal abortion, it should include the interest of the rest of society not having to support yet more and larger welfare families. Or we could cut welfare. I'd be down with that too.
The other argument is the black market theory, but apparently that one has been summarily rejected in the Tug.
Ultimately, it is a question of liberty and autonomy for me. With that said, there are a lot of philosophical issues with that justification. My right to liberty has limitations, namely that it does not trump another person's right to liberty, and life.
All of the "it's my body" and "it's my privacy" are just fundamentally flawed and terrible arguments. If we were talking about a wart, then sure, my body, my biz. But the whole point is that a fetus is a growing human being, and all the drawing of the lines along the process of gestation don't check out. This is even true in the case of rape/incest/health of the mother.
If the fetus is a person, nothing that happened, or will happen, to the mother constitutes any obvious basis on which to deny that person their fundamental rights.
Still, I want it legal in the first trimester. If you can't figure it out by then, you're stuck.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money.
Abortion isn’t mandatory, Mr. Liberty. If brown people choose it, what’s your beef with that?
Exactly. We need to make it as easy and cheap (free) as possible for people to choose to kill the pours and the browns.
You’re conflating the issues. Assuming they pay for it, what is your beef with brown people choosing abortion?
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money. We might want to extend this logic throughout people lives after they are born.
Well I guess we disagree on this point.
I didn't mean that I think it's good public policy so that we keep the Browns in check. OBK is your Huckleberry for reasonable amounts; not me.
But if there is a fundamental public interest in legal abortion, it should include the interest of the rest of society not having to support yet more and larger welfare families. Or we could cut welfare. I'd be down with that too.
The other argument is the black market theory, but apparently that one has been summarily rejected in the Tug.
Ultimately, it is a question of liberty and autonomy for me. With that said, there are a lot of philosophical issues with that justification. My right to liberty has limitations, namely that it does not trump another person's right to liberty, and life.
All of the "it's my body" and "it's my privacy" are just fundamentally flawed and terrible arguments. If we were talking about a wart, then sure, my body, my biz. But the whole point is that a fetus is a growing human being, and all the drawing of the lines along the process of gestation don't check out. This is even true in the case of rape/incest/health of the mother.
If the fetus is a person, nothing that happened, or will happen, to the mother constitutes any obvious basis on which to deny that person their fundamental rights.
Still, I want it legal in the first trimester. If you can't figure it out by then, you're stuck.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money. We might want to extend this logic throughout people lives after they are born.
Well I guess we disagree on this point.
I didn't mean that I think it's good public policy so that we keep the Browns in check. OBK is your Huckleberry for reasonable amounts; not me.
But if there is a fundamental public interest in legal abortion, it should include the interest of the rest of society not having to support yet more and larger welfare families. Or we could cut welfare. I'd be down with that too.
The other argument is the black market theory, but apparently that one has been summarily rejected in the Tug.
Ultimately, it is a question of liberty and autonomy for me. With that said, there are a lot of philosophical issues with that justification. My right to liberty has limitations, namely that it does not trump another person's right to liberty, and life.
All of the "it's my body" and "it's my privacy" are just fundamentally flawed and terrible arguments. If we were talking about a wart, then sure, my body, my biz. But the whole point is that a fetus is a growing human being, and all the drawing of the lines along the process of gestation don't check out. This is even true in the case of rape/incest/health of the mother.
If the fetus is a person, nothing that happened, or will happen, to the mother constitutes any obvious basis on which to deny that person their fundamental rights.
Still, I want it legal in the first trimester. If you can't figure it out by then, you're stuck.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money. We might want to extend this logic throughout people lives after they are born.
Well I guess we disagree on this point.
I didn't mean that I think it's good public policy so that we keep the Browns in check. OBK is your Huckleberry for reasonable amounts; not me.
But if there is a fundamental public interest in legal abortion, it should include the interest of the rest of society not having to support yet more and larger welfare families. Or we could cut welfare. I'd be down with that too.
The other argument is the black market theory, but apparently that one has been summarily rejected in the Tug.
Ultimately, it is a question of liberty and autonomy for me. With that said, there are a lot of philosophical issues with that justification. My right to liberty has limitations, namely that it does not trump another person's right to liberty, and life.
All of the "it's my body" and "it's my privacy" are just fundamentally flawed and terrible arguments. If we were talking about a wart, then sure, my body, my biz. But the whole point is that a fetus is a growing human being, and all the drawing of the lines along the process of gestation don't check out. This is even true in the case of rape/incest/health of the mother.
If the fetus is a person, nothing that happened, or will happen, to the mother constitutes any obvious basis on which to deny that person their fundamental rights.
Still, I want it legal in the first trimester. If you can't figure it out by then, you're stuck.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That’s a good way to keep the population of the browns in check. Some even suggest that’s a primary reason.
It’s best to kill people before they become an issue and costs people a bunch of money. We might want to extend this logic throughout people lives after they are born.
Well I guess we disagree on this point.
I didn't mean that I think it's good public policy so that we keep the Browns in check. OBK is your Huckleberry for reasonable amounts; not me.
But if there is a fundamental public interest in legal abortion, it should include the interest of the rest of society not having to support yet more and larger welfare families. Or we could cut welfare. I'd be down with that too.
The other argument is the black market theory, but apparently that one has been summarily rejected in the Tug.
Ultimately, it is a question of liberty and autonomy for me. With that said, there are a lot of philosophical issues with that justification. My right to liberty has limitations, namely that it does not trump another person's right to liberty, and life.
All of the "it's my body" and "it's my privacy" are just fundamentally flawed and terrible arguments. If we were talking about a wart, then sure, my body, my biz. But the whole point is that a fetus is a growing human being, and all the drawing of the lines along the process of gestation don't check out. This is even true in the case of rape/incest/health of the mother.
If the fetus is a person, nothing that happened, or will happen, to the mother constitutes any obvious basis on which to deny that person their fundamental rights.
Still, I want it legal in the first trimester. If you can't figure it out by then, you're stuck.
We agree. I was being sarkastic
Got it.
That’s what I thought.
No, I mean, I really got it. No [sarcasm.gif] intended.
Creep's turned over a new leaf. All my posts are henceforth genuine and true expressions of my true thoughts and ... dare I say ... feelings.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That's what abortion was for. Ask Margret. Keep the black population down and get rid of retards.
Still relying on the ol’ strawman gambit I see HUDS
No straw man. You want to choose for others. I don’t.
Funny how this argument doesn't apply to your desire to raise income taxes. You're free to pay more taxes right now. But you don't do it. You want to "choose" for others and force them to pay taxes you're currently unwilling to pay.
That's actually a fair point. I don't entirely disagree. Or really disagree at all.
But, to the extent one agrees, as Race put it, that it's good public policy, then it's probably smart to pay for it among the poors. I don't need the gov. If I need to get someone an abortion, it's going to happen, even if a plane is involved. But if we're going to have it, let's use it to limit the growth of the welfare state. Because if we're bitching about welfare babies now, just make abortion EITHER legally or financially hard to get, and then see what you get.
That's what abortion was for. Ask Margret. Keep the black population down and get rid of retards.
I really don't care what Margaret did or didn't think about anything. I have my own point of view and my own basis for it, and thus don't need to point to some dead person to justify it or change it. It's rhetoric - anything she did or didn't think or say - at this point. I think it's good policy that abortion be legal and available during the first trimester and part of why is that I'm confident the welfare state would explode without it. That I think that, and that it might disproportionately affect a minority group doesn't mean I believe in eugenics.
I agreed with your point that, if the basis for the freedom to abort is a general concept of liberty and freedom from government interference, then asking the government to pay for it, while not technically a contradiction, does smack of hypocrisy on some level.
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Another talking point O'Keefed has been rocking for years. What's he in prison for O'Keefed? I'll give you a fucking hint and it's the same hint I gave you when you first trotted out this red herring. It wasn't for providing late term abortions. Put please continue you fucking hack.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/bus-carrying-covington-catholic-students-leaving-march-for-life-involved-in-deadly-crash/
I didn't mean that I think it's good public policy so that we keep the Browns in check. OBK is your Huckleberry for reasonable amounts; not me.
But if there is a fundamental public interest in legal abortion, it should include the interest of the rest of society not having to support yet more and larger welfare families. Or we could cut welfare. I'd be down with that too.
The other argument is the black market theory, but apparently that one has been summarily rejected in the Tug.
Ultimately, it is a question of liberty and autonomy for me. With that said, there are a lot of philosophical issues with that justification. My right to liberty has limitations, namely that it does not trump another person's right to liberty, and life.
All of the "it's my body" and "it's my privacy" are just fundamentally flawed and terrible arguments. If we were talking about a wart, then sure, my body, my biz. But the whole point is that a fetus is a growing human being, and all the drawing of the lines along the process of gestation don't check out. This is even true in the case of rape/incest/health of the mother.
If the fetus is a person, nothing that happened, or will happen, to the mother constitutes any obvious basis on which to deny that person their fundamental rights.
Still, I want it legal in the first trimester. If you can't figure it out by then, you're stuck.
Creep's turned over a new leaf. All my posts are henceforth genuine and true expressions of my true thoughts and ... dare I say ... feelings.
I agreed with your point that, if the basis for the freedom to abort is a general concept of liberty and freedom from government interference, then asking the government to pay for it, while not technically a contradiction, does smack of hypocrisy on some level.