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RaceBannon

And more hot duck recruiting talk for @1to392831weretaken

https://si.com/college/recruiting/football/signing-day-winners-and-losers

Oregon - Signing all-world linebacker Justin Flowe was must-see TV while adding a commitment and signature of dual-threat QB Robby Ashford was an added bonus. The Ducks are the class of the Pac-12 on the field and recruiting trail alike.


Me

This can't hurt Oregon for the next round. They got the same free pub last year.

FireCohen

10 year extension for Mario

NoWarningJustDawg

I think about Thibodeaux getting caught up in the crazy atmosphere at end of our '18 game. From his reactions that is when he became serious about Eugene.

Now contrast with the glum atmosphere if that game had ended how it should have - similar to '19 Cal @ UW, with UW continuing to drive and kicking a chip shot or scoring a TD as time expired. Maybe the 5* still goes there, maybe not.

But no, Pete stepped all over his own dick, again, and the rest is history. We created this shit. Oregon doesn't need our help, so stop fucking up and take care of our own house and we'll be doing better and Oregon likely worse.

I spoke months ago how it seemed Oregon was using a tail-wagging-the-dog strategy, getting as many stars as possible even if some were overrated, and hoping the stars continued to follow each other and the hype. Wilbur called it "Sark + marketing" and I thought that was fair. But can we argue with the results?

insinceredawg

If Eason comes back we'll be neck and neck with them for the offseason natty.

RaceBannon

insinceredawg said:

If Eason comes back we'll be neck and neck with them for the offseason natty.

10 star recruit?

creepycoug

FireCohen said:

10 year extension for Mario

Shut it.

creepycoug

NoWarningJustDawg said:

I think about Thibodeaux getting caught up in the crazy atmosphere at end of our '18 game. From his reactions that is when he became serious about Eugene.

Now contrast with the glum atmosphere if that game had ended how it should have - similar to '19 Cal @ UW, with UW continuing to drive and kicking a chip shot or scoring a TD as time expired. Maybe the 5* still goes there, maybe not.

But no, Pete stepped all over his own dick, again, and the rest is history. We created this shit. Oregon doesn't need our help, so stop fucking up and take care of our own house and we'll be doing better and Oregon likely worse.

I spoke months ago how it seemed Oregon was using a tail-wagging-the-dog strategy, getting as many stars as possible even if some were overrated, and hoping the stars continued to follow each other and the hype. Wilbur called it "Sark + marketing" and I thought that was fair. But can we argue with the results?

All jokes about my love affair noted in advance, I think part of the problem here is that Crisco was not a generally known quantity out here in God's country. I've said this since the first day of the hire, and I've taken untold amounts of shit for it (which I'm more than tuff enough to handle): Crisco can recruit. Period. Any version of reality that fails to recognize this is DAWG narrative, including this idea that only when Washington fucks up is there a vacuum in which Oregon can then operate. No. Until he leaves, you better get comfortable with the fact that you have an ace recruiter operating in your back yard running a program that has had a much better last 25 years than has Washington. Those are the facts. I didn't make them up.

I've known about this guy for years. His name has been thrown around Miami circles forever as a maybe someday coach. From his days as a mere GA, people have talked about his recruiting chops. Pete Garcia, who was the head of UM football ops during the Butch Davis run, knew it well and gave him his first shot at FIU. He's also the guy who fired him, which he's since acknowledged was a mistake, but that's another story.

Both in this forum and, I suspect, out west in general, he is a criminally underrated quantity as a talent builder. Part of why that is, I suspect, is that his most visible position to date was on the Bamers staff, which feeds into the "Brand X recruits itself" narrative, which is basically bullshit.

Yeah, fuck it, I told you so on day one. Now you know.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

creepycoug said:

NoWarningJustDawg said:

I think about Thibodeaux getting caught up in the crazy atmosphere at end of our '18 game. From his reactions that is when he became serious about Eugene.

Now contrast with the glum atmosphere if that game had ended how it should have - similar to '19 Cal @ UW, with UW continuing to drive and kicking a chip shot or scoring a TD as time expired. Maybe the 5* still goes there, maybe not.

But no, Pete stepped all over his own dick, again, and the rest is history. We created this shit. Oregon doesn't need our help, so stop fucking up and take care of our own house and we'll be doing better and Oregon likely worse.

I spoke months ago how it seemed Oregon was using a tail-wagging-the-dog strategy, getting as many stars as possible even if some were overrated, and hoping the stars continued to follow each other and the hype. Wilbur called it "Sark + marketing" and I thought that was fair. But can we argue with the results?

All jokes about my love affair noted in advance, I think part of the problem here is that Crisco was not a generally known quantity out here in God's country. I've said this since the first day of the hire, and I've taken untold amounts of shit for it (which I'm more than tuff enough to handle): Crisco can recruit. Period. Any version of reality that fails to recognize this is DAWG narrative, including this idea that only when Washington fucks up is there a vacuum in which Oregon can then operate. No. Until he leaves, you better get comfortable with the fact that you have an ace recruiter operating in your back yard running a program that has had a much better last 25 years than has Washington. Those are the facts. I didn't make them up.

I've known about this guy for years. His name has been thrown around Miami circles forever as a maybe someday coach. From his days as a mere GA, people have talked about his recruiting chops. Pete Garcia, who was the head of UM football ops during the Butch Davis run, knew it well and gave him his first shot at FIU. He's also the guy who fired him, which he's since acknowledged was a mistake, but that's another story.

Both in this forum and, I suspect, out west in general, he is a criminally underrated quantity as a talent builder. Part of why that is, I suspect, is that his most visible position to date was on the Bamers staff, which feeds into the "Brand X recruits itself" narrative, which is basically bullshit.

Yeah, fuck it, I told you so on day one. Now you know.

I've always thought the "Mario is a terrible coach, look at his record" is a horrible take considering his only other HC job was at a school that didn't have a football program. It's kinda like being the guy who takes over for the Bengals; you're going to have a shitty overall record because your team is going to be 2-14 your first year or two on the job.

creepycoug

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

creepycoug said:

NoWarningJustDawg said:

I think about Thibodeaux getting caught up in the crazy atmosphere at end of our '18 game. From his reactions that is when he became serious about Eugene.

Now contrast with the glum atmosphere if that game had ended how it should have - similar to '19 Cal @ UW, with UW continuing to drive and kicking a chip shot or scoring a TD as time expired. Maybe the 5* still goes there, maybe not.

But no, Pete stepped all over his own dick, again, and the rest is history. We created this shit. Oregon doesn't need our help, so stop fucking up and take care of our own house and we'll be doing better and Oregon likely worse.

I spoke months ago how it seemed Oregon was using a tail-wagging-the-dog strategy, getting as many stars as possible even if some were overrated, and hoping the stars continued to follow each other and the hype. Wilbur called it "Sark + marketing" and I thought that was fair. But can we argue with the results?

All jokes about my love affair noted in advance, I think part of the problem here is that Crisco was not a generally known quantity out here in God's country. I've said this since the first day of the hire, and I've taken untold amounts of shit for it (which I'm more than tuff enough to handle): Crisco can recruit. Period. Any version of reality that fails to recognize this is DAWG narrative, including this idea that only when Washington fucks up is there a vacuum in which Oregon can then operate. No. Until he leaves, you better get comfortable with the fact that you have an ace recruiter operating in your back yard running a program that has had a much better last 25 years than has Washington. Those are the facts. I didn't make them up.

I've known about this guy for years. His name has been thrown around Miami circles forever as a maybe someday coach. From his days as a mere GA, people have talked about his recruiting chops. Pete Garcia, who was the head of UM football ops during the Butch Davis run, knew it well and gave him his first shot at FIU. He's also the guy who fired him, which he's since acknowledged was a mistake, but that's another story.

Both in this forum and, I suspect, out west in general, he is a criminally underrated quantity as a talent builder. Part of why that is, I suspect, is that his most visible position to date was on the Bamers staff, which feeds into the "Brand X recruits itself" narrative, which is basically bullshit.

Yeah, fuck it, I told you so on day one. Now you know.

I've always thought the "Mario is a terrible coach, look at his record" is a horrible take considering his only other HC job was at a school that didn't have a football program. It's kinda like being the guy who takes over for the Bengals; you're going to have a shitty overall record because your team is going to be 2-14 your first year or two on the job.

Agreed on the coaching take; but though he's done well thus far, I'll concede I remain agnostic on his coaching chops. Time will tell on that one.

I'm only soap boxing the recruiting thing because it seems to have taken everyone by surprise, and it was pretty much the one thing about him that was irrefutable.

WilburHooksHands

NoWarningJustDawg said:

I think about Thibodeaux getting caught up in the crazy atmosphere at end of our '18 game. From his reactions that is when he became serious about Eugene.

Now contrast with the glum atmosphere if that game had ended how it should have - similar to '19 Cal @ UW, with UW continuing to drive and kicking a chip shot or scoring a TD as time expired. Maybe the 5* still goes there, maybe not.

But no, Pete stepped all over his own dick, again, and the rest is history. We created this shit. Oregon doesn't need our help, so stop fucking up and take care of our own house and we'll be doing better and Oregon likely worse.

I spoke months ago how it seemed Oregon was using a tail-wagging-the-dog strategy, getting as many stars as possible even if some were overrated, and hoping the stars continued to follow each other and the hype. Wilbur called it "Sark + marketing" and I thought that was fair. But can we argue with the results?

No, it’s worked, but it hasnt worked because of a talent gap. Even with last year’s class UW had more stars on the roster than Oregon and despite the hype continues to stay neck and neck recruiting wise. As sonics199whatever said, after their LB’s (which are insane) the class falls off. It’s worked because Pete was a pussy. If Lake lets his guys smoke weed and talk shit we already have the roster. The hype game will be interesting going forward and my take is that if Lake isn’t the guy to take Oregon on in that way then we are totally fucked. We got extremely lucky that Lake was already tied to Pete because the AD wouldn’t hire a guy like him otherwise. You have to get your hands dirty with Oregon, period.

RaceBannon

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

WilburHooksHands

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

RaceBannon

WilburHooksHands said:

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

The one good point creepy makes and it may be the only one he has ever made is that most of us? were convinced of the decisive schematic advantage that Pete would have over Meat on gamed ay

That turned out to be not the case. You're right that making the Rose Bowl in year 2 is not a guarantee of success. As we know

Mario drops the next two to UW and UW wins the league the whole conversation changes again

We REALLY need Jimmy to be the guy and we are a few years away from knowing

Recruiting is a good start

creepycoug

WilburHooksHands said:

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

Eh, I'd say some/many of you fit into Race's group. And I say that because I've known those posters for years.

There is also some doogy whining and sour grapes lurking around too and it's not hard to see. This isn't a unified take. The "Washington does it the right way" and "Washington plays with class" crowd of morons are never very far away. Even Wilberhooks, who is not a doog, had a Freudian "get your hands dirty with Oregon" comment in an otherwise good post. You're either breaking the rules or you're not. Period. Recruiting is used car salesmanship. All manner of shit gets said, you'd better believe your slick new smart ass coach who clearly knows how to run his mouth will say things to deliver the goods that might not make you proud.

Don't kid yourself; that line of narrative is skrong, particularly in the PNW. For some reason, USC gets a pass up here on pretty much everything. Maybe that's connected to the respect thing. I don't know.

WilburHooksHands

RaceBannon said:

WilburHooksHands said:

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

The one good point creepy makes and it may be the only one he has ever made is that most of us? were convinced of the decisive schematic advantage that Pete would have over Meat on gamed ay

That turned out to be not the case. You're right that making the Rose Bowl in year 2 is not a guarantee of success. As we know

Mario drops the next two to UW and UW wins the league the whole conversation changes again

We REALLY need Jimmy to be the guy and we are a few years away from knowing

Recruiting is a good start

2021 recruiting is yuge for so many reasons. Jimmy has the opportunity to get a top 10 class rather easily.

WilburHooksHands

creepycoug said:

WilburHooksHands said:

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

Even Wilberhooks, who is not a doog

thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me

dnc

creepycoug said:

Even Wilberhooks, who is not a doog

Has creep been exposed to Wilbur's magnum opus?

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

WilburHooksHands said:

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

The one good point creepy makes and it may be the only one he has ever made is that most of us? were convinced of the decisive schematic advantage that Pete would have over Meat on gamed ay

That turned out to be not the case. You're right that making the Rose Bowl in year 2 is not a guarantee of success. As we know

Mario drops the next two to UW and UW wins the league the whole conversation changes again

We REALLY need Jimmy to be the guy and we are a few years away from knowing

Recruiting is a good start

Hurtful.

creepycoug

WilburHooksHands said:

creepycoug said:

WilburHooksHands said:

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

Even Wilberhooks, who is not a doog

thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me

I love you man. I hate it when we fight.

RoadDawg55

insinceredawg said:

If Eason comes back we'll be neck and neck with them for the offseason natty.

I think we will be better than them next year. Replacing 4 OL and your QB isn’t easy. They are upgrading their talent, but that isn’t immediate as we have seen first hand.

On the other hand, I thought we would win the last two years and we shit ourselves and lost.

RoadDawg55

WilburHooksHands said:

RaceBannon said:

What makes a great recruiter anyway. Seems like most of the great recruiters carry a bad reputation from the lazy types like Pete. Rick comes to mind. Urban. Saban.

Again, we aren't bashing Mario for what he is doing, at least I'm not. We're hoping we do more of the aggressive shit that makes Jimmy hated

The big complaint on Pete is that he whined about poaching and then poached a three star from Oregon State which many ducks reading this partook in

The humanity

Nobody is bashing Mario. As Ive been saying on twitter, he knows how not to crash the Ferrari. That doesnt make him a great coach though, which a lot of quooks can’t wrap their heads around. Neuheisel got 10 wins and a Rose Bowl with some good players and nobody out here is calling him a great coach. I would say Mario recruits better on the lines, but UW took Oregons lunch money on D line last year and O Line this year so Im gonna LIPO.

I’m not sure if he’s a great coach, but he does do some things very well. His OL background makes him prioritize the line and be able to get the prospects he wants. Oregon has definitely gotten tougher and more physical since he took over, which is huge and creates a consistent recipe for winning.