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The Delmarva’s are stupid, but they were never beating Trump no matter who they rolled out.Swaye said:I went on record 6 months ago and said the Dems would have to try to actively lose to not beat Trump, and here we are, almost at halftime, and they are doing everything they can to make that dream a reality. There is nobody helping to MAGA more than Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schifforbrains, and the DNC!
Thanks Democrats, for all you do for America. Accidentally.
Trump is very good at pandering to his fan base. A lot of republicans are voting that way no matter what, even if they might not love Trump. Then he has the crazy folks votes locked up and they actually go the polls and vote. I think a lot of the loud liberals don’t even vote when the time comes. -
Hey fuck youPitchfork51 said:
Good Lord. Talk about drivel.RaceBannon said:
You might have had to forgive yourself too. Your forebears in the establishment GOP that became Never Trumpers hated Reagan too. They blamed him for running against Ford in 1976. When RR got the nomination in 80 they said he needed Ford to be co president because RR wasn't up to the job and was too dangerous. Bush 1 who coined voodoo economics was his running mate.YellowSnow said:
It's OK Boomer, I forgive you.RaceBannon said:
I was there. The hate was mainstream. SNL to the nightly newsYellowSnow said:
Only whacko lefties hated Reagan. He never dipped below 50% approval and left office at 73%. I get that it's a different country now, but Trump will never touch these numbers.RaceBannon said:So far Trump results are not bad
And that's what matters
Reagan was hated just as much but delivered as well
The outcomes under Trump haven't been horrible thus far- i.e., no bumbling into war and good economy (albeit juiced by $1 trillion stimulus).
The hate was real.
And those conservative Christians in the REAL Moral Majority movement that started back then backed a divorced Hollywood actor over a pious Southern Baptist
But of more interest to me today is how history might have changed had RR won in 1976. Would he have handled the crash better than Jimmy? I think his leadership skills alone could have made a difference. But he also could have been a one term guy -
Thank you @89ute. Conservative populist works better than @creepycoug neo-con glubbity glock.creepycoug said:
Interesting take. I'd like to see you debate Steve Bannon on this point. Your take is very un-Trumpian.PurpleThrobber said:
I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the 2020 election.creepycoug said:
That's the bet.PurpleThrobber said:
Part of me says they are doing it on purpose. The more divisive unrest they can stir up, the better for their brand.Swaye said:I went on record 6 months ago and said the Dems would have to try to actively lose to not beat Trump, and here we are, almost at halftime, and they are doing everything they can to make that dream a reality. There is nobody helping to MAGA more than Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schifforbrains, and the DNC!
Thanks Democrats, for all you do for America. Accidentally.
If they have made only one smart calculation it's that no Democratic candidate is going to pull from Trump's base. Their target is (or should be) the middle.
Whether anyone likes hearing it or not, Trump has engendered loyalty in his base that is difficult for any other current politician to match. There's not much he could do to alienate that group ... certainly not this shit show.
I used to believe the whole left-wing/overthrow the government/radical stuff was tinfoil. It is becoming more and more apparent there is a very large segment of the left who want nothing more than total upheaval of the system. Trump is simply the current useful idiot who is emboldening them to hasten that strategy.
Which is somewhat where we agree -Trump's "base" isn't going anywhere. Let's lock it in at 35 to 40%. That's a BIG number to put on the scoreboard at kickoff.
But again, that's why I don't think the *real* leftists want to win in 2020. Another four years of disunity and chaos and fuck all is just another 4 years of OK Boomers dying off and cancel culture indoctrination on the nation's campuses.
The conservative populist (happy @YellowSnow ?) view of the world is that the establishment Republicans and the left want to keep things exactly as they are, which includes unfettered access to cheap labor vis a vis immigration, keep the administrative state/permanent political class entrenched in DC so that they can manipulate things as they wish, continue whoring out to Wall Street and managing the globe as the world's mall cop. It is they (conservative populism) that want to tear up the system with a blitzkrieg approach. Bannon often describes Trump as an incredibly imperfect instrument for this movement, but also as an "armor piercing shell".
Give him a listen. He's done some very good Frontline interviews and they're easily found on youtube. And of course any good review of how Breitbart came to be gives a good background on this.
I'd say, sure, there is an element of the far, far, far left (antifa left) who want to watch the world burn. But those guys are not too distinct from Bannon and the other architects of this movement. They mean to turn things up aggressively ... he's said more than once that his one regret was that he wasn't tougher during his 8 mos. in the WH and didn't fight harder against Jarded and Ivanka and the other "soft" people on the staff. The philosophical basis for this new populism is very aggressive, make no mistake about that.
I think they're right ... Pelosi and that crowd are more "keep things the way they are". And why not? They've benefited greatly from the current system.
Look, my loathing of Trump doesn't equate thinking we didn't need a course correction on the bipartisan, establishment consensus of the past 30 years on China, immigration and the nation building in shit hole countries. Rather that Trump wasn't the right guy for being the swamp drainer we need. He's far to clumsy and needs to read How To Win Frens and Influence People . -
He may not have been the right guy but he was the guy that was there. Its not like there weren't 16 choices.YellowSnow said:
Thank you @89ute. Conservative populist works better than @creepycoug neo-con glubbity glock.creepycoug said:
Interesting take. I'd like to see you debate Steve Bannon on this point. Your take is very un-Trumpian.PurpleThrobber said:
I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the 2020 election.creepycoug said:
That's the bet.PurpleThrobber said:
Part of me says they are doing it on purpose. The more divisive unrest they can stir up, the better for their brand.Swaye said:I went on record 6 months ago and said the Dems would have to try to actively lose to not beat Trump, and here we are, almost at halftime, and they are doing everything they can to make that dream a reality. There is nobody helping to MAGA more than Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schifforbrains, and the DNC!
Thanks Democrats, for all you do for America. Accidentally.
If they have made only one smart calculation it's that no Democratic candidate is going to pull from Trump's base. Their target is (or should be) the middle.
Whether anyone likes hearing it or not, Trump has engendered loyalty in his base that is difficult for any other current politician to match. There's not much he could do to alienate that group ... certainly not this shit show.
I used to believe the whole left-wing/overthrow the government/radical stuff was tinfoil. It is becoming more and more apparent there is a very large segment of the left who want nothing more than total upheaval of the system. Trump is simply the current useful idiot who is emboldening them to hasten that strategy.
Which is somewhat where we agree -Trump's "base" isn't going anywhere. Let's lock it in at 35 to 40%. That's a BIG number to put on the scoreboard at kickoff.
But again, that's why I don't think the *real* leftists want to win in 2020. Another four years of disunity and chaos and fuck all is just another 4 years of OK Boomers dying off and cancel culture indoctrination on the nation's campuses.
The conservative populist (happy @YellowSnow ?) view of the world is that the establishment Republicans and the left want to keep things exactly as they are, which includes unfettered access to cheap labor vis a vis immigration, keep the administrative state/permanent political class entrenched in DC so that they can manipulate things as they wish, continue whoring out to Wall Street and managing the globe as the world's mall cop. It is they (conservative populism) that want to tear up the system with a blitzkrieg approach. Bannon often describes Trump as an incredibly imperfect instrument for this movement, but also as an "armor piercing shell".
Give him a listen. He's done some very good Frontline interviews and they're easily found on youtube. And of course any good review of how Breitbart came to be gives a good background on this.
I'd say, sure, there is an element of the far, far, far left (antifa left) who want to watch the world burn. But those guys are not too distinct from Bannon and the other architects of this movement. They mean to turn things up aggressively ... he's said more than once that his one regret was that he wasn't tougher during his 8 mos. in the WH and didn't fight harder against Jarded and Ivanka and the other "soft" people on the staff. The philosophical basis for this new populism is very aggressive, make no mistake about that.
I think they're right ... Pelosi and that crowd are more "keep things the way they are". And why not? They've benefited greatly from the current system.
Look, my loathing of Trump doesn't equate thinking we didn't need a course correction on the bipartisan, establishment consensus of the past 30 years on China, immigration and the nation building in shit hole countries. Rather that Trump wasn't the right guy for being the swamp drainer we need. He's far to clumsy and needs to read How To Win Frens and Influence People .
He was the one that promised to act and has tried to do so. Chip Kelley was rude to boosters. They were glad when the nice Helfrich came in -
Sad, that elementary school Yella got it right on Reagan while you teens and twenty somethings were worrying about abortion rights and nukes.89ute said:
I'm going to second Race on this one. Ray-gun (what my college professors called him) was in office during my college years and last two years of high school. The hate in the educational system was no different than it is now. I blindly fell in line because I was and still kind of am pro-abortion and anti-capital punishment.YellowSnow said:
It's OK Boomer, I forgive you.RaceBannon said:
I was there. The hate was mainstream. SNL to the nightly newsYellowSnow said:
Only whacko lefties hated Reagan. He never dipped below 50% approval and left office at 73%. I get that it's a different country now, but Trump will never touch these numbers.RaceBannon said:So far Trump results are not bad
And that's what matters
Reagan was hated just as much but delivered as well
The outcomes under Trump haven't been horrible thus far- i.e., no bumbling into war and good economy (albeit juiced by $1 trillion stimulus).
The hate was real.
Many, in my opinion, at this age are fucking stupid. I was in the many, and stayed in the "many" for a long tim after college. Takes a while for that shit to wear off. Sadly, my late 20 year old daughter has been dipped in this same stench and I know she won't see her way out of it for probably another 10-15 years.
I didn't listen to my profs at UW and voted for Bob Dole. -
he does have come hither/fuck me eyes.89ute said:
On a somewhat related note, I didn't know Shiff was a fag. Found out yesterday from one of my wives. I bet he likes them young, seems like the type.Swaye said:...was leading the poles (lulz) in both Iowa and NH but didn't do well in last night's debate. True?
All the pundit scorecards have the loser socialists (Cuntahontas and WeekendatBernies) doing the worst of the night though.
Welp, with the small town queer who has experience managing budgets almost as large as the local Wal Mart barely treading water, Biden barely able to link a coherant sentence together when not using hugs as a sexual weapon, and the loser socialists tanking, who is it going to be? The hot Hawaiian woman who hates her own party and is a closeted Syrian traitor, the black guy who thinks he is Spartacus and seems to have no independent thoughts other than racial issues, the black woman who blew her way to the top and seems to hate black and latino criminals, or the cool Asian who likes maff and free shit? Maybe the white woman from up north somewhere with Parkinson's?
These are some compelling candidates you have here guys. Good luck with them and the impeachment. Hear it's going great!
NTTAWWT
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Go to war with the army you have?RaceBannon said:
He may not have been the right guy but he was the guy that was there. Its not like there weren't 16 choices.YellowSnow said:
Thank you @89ute. Conservative populist works better than @creepycoug neo-con glubbity glock.creepycoug said:
Interesting take. I'd like to see you debate Steve Bannon on this point. Your take is very un-Trumpian.PurpleThrobber said:
I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the 2020 election.creepycoug said:
That's the bet.PurpleThrobber said:
Part of me says they are doing it on purpose. The more divisive unrest they can stir up, the better for their brand.Swaye said:I went on record 6 months ago and said the Dems would have to try to actively lose to not beat Trump, and here we are, almost at halftime, and they are doing everything they can to make that dream a reality. There is nobody helping to MAGA more than Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schifforbrains, and the DNC!
Thanks Democrats, for all you do for America. Accidentally.
If they have made only one smart calculation it's that no Democratic candidate is going to pull from Trump's base. Their target is (or should be) the middle.
Whether anyone likes hearing it or not, Trump has engendered loyalty in his base that is difficult for any other current politician to match. There's not much he could do to alienate that group ... certainly not this shit show.
I used to believe the whole left-wing/overthrow the government/radical stuff was tinfoil. It is becoming more and more apparent there is a very large segment of the left who want nothing more than total upheaval of the system. Trump is simply the current useful idiot who is emboldening them to hasten that strategy.
Which is somewhat where we agree -Trump's "base" isn't going anywhere. Let's lock it in at 35 to 40%. That's a BIG number to put on the scoreboard at kickoff.
But again, that's why I don't think the *real* leftists want to win in 2020. Another four years of disunity and chaos and fuck all is just another 4 years of OK Boomers dying off and cancel culture indoctrination on the nation's campuses.
The conservative populist (happy @YellowSnow ?) view of the world is that the establishment Republicans and the left want to keep things exactly as they are, which includes unfettered access to cheap labor vis a vis immigration, keep the administrative state/permanent political class entrenched in DC so that they can manipulate things as they wish, continue whoring out to Wall Street and managing the globe as the world's mall cop. It is they (conservative populism) that want to tear up the system with a blitzkrieg approach. Bannon often describes Trump as an incredibly imperfect instrument for this movement, but also as an "armor piercing shell".
Give him a listen. He's done some very good Frontline interviews and they're easily found on youtube. And of course any good review of how Breitbart came to be gives a good background on this.
I'd say, sure, there is an element of the far, far, far left (antifa left) who want to watch the world burn. But those guys are not too distinct from Bannon and the other architects of this movement. They mean to turn things up aggressively ... he's said more than once that his one regret was that he wasn't tougher during his 8 mos. in the WH and didn't fight harder against Jarded and Ivanka and the other "soft" people on the staff. The philosophical basis for this new populism is very aggressive, make no mistake about that.
I think they're right ... Pelosi and that crowd are more "keep things the way they are". And why not? They've benefited greatly from the current system.
Look, my loathing of Trump doesn't equate thinking we didn't need a course correction on the bipartisan, establishment consensus of the past 30 years on China, immigration and the nation building in shit hole countries. Rather that Trump wasn't the right guy for being the swamp drainer we need. He's far to clumsy and needs to read How To Win Frens and Influence People .
He was the one that promised to act and has tried to do so. Chip Kelley was rude to boosters. They were glad when the nice Helfrich came in
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I was worried about keg beer, squeezing tits and trying to attract handjobs in my teens and twenties.YellowSnow said:
Sad, that elementary school Yella got it right on Reagan while you teens and twenty somethings were worrying about abortion rights and nukes.89ute said:
I'm going to second Race on this one. Ray-gun (what my college professors called him) was in office during my college years and last two years of high school. The hate in the educational system was no different than it is now. I blindly fell in line because I was and still kind of am pro-abortion and anti-capital punishment.YellowSnow said:
It's OK Boomer, I forgive you.RaceBannon said:
I was there. The hate was mainstream. SNL to the nightly newsYellowSnow said:
Only whacko lefties hated Reagan. He never dipped below 50% approval and left office at 73%. I get that it's a different country now, but Trump will never touch these numbers.RaceBannon said:So far Trump results are not bad
And that's what matters
Reagan was hated just as much but delivered as well
The outcomes under Trump haven't been horrible thus far- i.e., no bumbling into war and good economy (albeit juiced by $1 trillion stimulus).
The hate was real.
Many, in my opinion, at this age are fucking stupid. I was in the many, and stayed in the "many" for a long tim after college. Takes a while for that shit to wear off. Sadly, my late 20 year old daughter has been dipped in this same stench and I know she won't see her way out of it for probably another 10-15 years.
I didn't listen to my profs at UW and voted for Bob Dole.
Which makes my heart hurt for today's youth and what they are missing out on while outraging and protesting.
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IG report is going to be get interesting. Will they really tell us how far up and how wide spread this mess was? I wonder how much were not told because some things are so bad people would loose all faith in our government.
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Further proof that Gen X is kewler than Millenials. All we needed to close bidness was cheap keg beer....no White Claw needed.PurpleThrobber said:
I was worried about keg beer, squeezing tits and trying to attract handjobs in my teens and twenties.YellowSnow said:
Sad, that elementary school Yella got it right on Reagan while you teens and twenty somethings were worrying about abortion rights and nukes.89ute said:
I'm going to second Race on this one. Ray-gun (what my college professors called him) was in office during my college years and last two years of high school. The hate in the educational system was no different than it is now. I blindly fell in line because I was and still kind of am pro-abortion and anti-capital punishment.YellowSnow said:
It's OK Boomer, I forgive you.RaceBannon said:
I was there. The hate was mainstream. SNL to the nightly newsYellowSnow said:
Only whacko lefties hated Reagan. He never dipped below 50% approval and left office at 73%. I get that it's a different country now, but Trump will never touch these numbers.RaceBannon said:So far Trump results are not bad
And that's what matters
Reagan was hated just as much but delivered as well
The outcomes under Trump haven't been horrible thus far- i.e., no bumbling into war and good economy (albeit juiced by $1 trillion stimulus).
The hate was real.
Many, in my opinion, at this age are fucking stupid. I was in the many, and stayed in the "many" for a long tim after college. Takes a while for that shit to wear off. Sadly, my late 20 year old daughter has been dipped in this same stench and I know she won't see her way out of it for probably another 10-15 years.
I didn't listen to my profs at UW and voted for Bob Dole.
Which makes my heart hurt for today's youth and what they are missing out on while outraging and protesting.
