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RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,441 Founders Club
https://foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-turkey-kurds-complicated


On Monday, President Trump announced that a contingent of fewer than 100 U.S. troops in Syria was being moved away from Kurdish-held territory on the border of Turkey. The move effectively green-lighted military operations by Turkey against the Kurds, which have now commenced.

Some U.S. military officials went public with complaints about being “blindsided.” The policy cannot have been a surprise, though. The president has made no secret that he wants out of Syria, where we now have about 1,000 troops (down from over 2,000 last year). More broadly, he wants our forces out of the Middle East. He ran on that position. I’ve argued against his “endless wars” tropes, but his stance is popular. As for Syria specifically, many of the president’s advisers think we should stay, but he has not been persuaded.



The president’s announcement of the redeployment of the Syrian troops came on the heels of a phone conversation with Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. This, obviously, was a mistake, giving the appearance (and not for the first time) that Trump is taking cues from Ankara’s Islamist strongman. As has become rote, the inevitable criticism was followed by head-scratching tweets: The president vows to “totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey,” which “I’ve done before” (huh?), if Turkey takes any actions “that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits.” We can only sigh and say it will be interesting to see how the president backs up these haughty threats now that Erdogan has begun his invasion.



All that said, the president at least has a cogent position that is consistent with the Constitution and public opinion. He wants U.S. forces out of a conflict in which America’s interests have never been clear, and for which Congress has never approved military intervention. I find that sensible — no surprise, given that I have opposed intervention in Syria from the start (see, e.g., here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). The stridency of the counterarguments is matched only by their selectiveness in reciting relevant facts.

I thus respectfully dissent from our National Review editorial.
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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,353
    Andrew wants to go down with the ship.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,441 Founders Club
    Did hondo get fired or something?

    Way to pick up the slack lackey
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    So the troops are just being redeployed to allow for the slaughter of the Kurds. Not even coming home. As we send more troops to Saudi Arabia.

    Hey Kurds, thanks for helping us with ISIS. Never forget Normandy though...
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    Meanwhile Mnuchin holds a press conference to announce we aren't sanctioning Turkey. Must not be time yet. Dear Leader has great and unmatched wisdom you know....
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Did hondo get fired or something?

    Way to pick up the slack lackey

    I'm for endless wars. Remember? You said it so it must be true.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,441 Founders Club
    Nice meltdown going on here
  • ramenduckramenduck Member Posts: 734

    https://foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-turkey-kurds-complicated


    On Monday, President Trump announced that a contingent of fewer than 100 U.S. troops in Syria was being moved away from Kurdish-held territory on the border of Turkey. The move effectively green-lighted military operations by Turkey against the Kurds, which have now commenced.

    Some U.S. military officials went public with complaints about being “blindsided.” The policy cannot have been a surprise, though. The president has made no secret that he wants out of Syria, where we now have about 1,000 troops (down from over 2,000 last year). More broadly, he wants our forces out of the Middle East. He ran on that position. I’ve argued against his “endless wars” tropes, but his stance is popular. As for Syria specifically, many of the president’s advisers think we should stay, but he has not been persuaded.



    The president’s announcement of the redeployment of the Syrian troops came on the heels of a phone conversation with Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. This, obviously, was a mistake, giving the appearance (and not for the first time) that Trump is taking cues from Ankara’s Islamist strongman. As has become rote, the inevitable criticism was followed by head-scratching tweets: The president vows to “totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey,” which “I’ve done before” (huh?), if Turkey takes any actions “that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits.” We can only sigh and say it will be interesting to see how the president backs up these haughty threats now that Erdogan has begun his invasion.



    All that said, the president at least has a cogent position that is consistent with the Constitution and public opinion. He wants U.S. forces out of a conflict in which America’s interests have never been clear, and for which Congress has never approved military intervention. I find that sensible — no surprise, given that I have opposed intervention in Syria from the start (see, e.g., here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). The stridency of the counterarguments is matched only by their selectiveness in reciting relevant facts.

    I thus respectfully dissent from our National Review editorial.

    I miss peak Brat Pack Andrew McCarthy.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,441 Founders Club
    ramenduck said:

    https://foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-turkey-kurds-complicated


    On Monday, President Trump announced that a contingent of fewer than 100 U.S. troops in Syria was being moved away from Kurdish-held territory on the border of Turkey. The move effectively green-lighted military operations by Turkey against the Kurds, which have now commenced.

    Some U.S. military officials went public with complaints about being “blindsided.” The policy cannot have been a surprise, though. The president has made no secret that he wants out of Syria, where we now have about 1,000 troops (down from over 2,000 last year). More broadly, he wants our forces out of the Middle East. He ran on that position. I’ve argued against his “endless wars” tropes, but his stance is popular. As for Syria specifically, many of the president’s advisers think we should stay, but he has not been persuaded.



    The president’s announcement of the redeployment of the Syrian troops came on the heels of a phone conversation with Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. This, obviously, was a mistake, giving the appearance (and not for the first time) that Trump is taking cues from Ankara’s Islamist strongman. As has become rote, the inevitable criticism was followed by head-scratching tweets: The president vows to “totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey,” which “I’ve done before” (huh?), if Turkey takes any actions “that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits.” We can only sigh and say it will be interesting to see how the president backs up these haughty threats now that Erdogan has begun his invasion.



    All that said, the president at least has a cogent position that is consistent with the Constitution and public opinion. He wants U.S. forces out of a conflict in which America’s interests have never been clear, and for which Congress has never approved military intervention. I find that sensible — no surprise, given that I have opposed intervention in Syria from the start (see, e.g., here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). The stridency of the counterarguments is matched only by their selectiveness in reciting relevant facts.

    I thus respectfully dissent from our National Review editorial.

    I miss peak Brat Pack Andrew McCarthy.
    Agree

    And Ally Sheedy
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    Dear Leader - time to destroy Turkey's economy yet? Oh, not yet....thank goodness for your great and unmatched wisdom...

    https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

    Newsweek has learned through both an Iraqi Kurdish intelligence official and senior Pentagon official that Special Forces operating on Mashtenour hill in the majority-Kurdish city of Kobani fell under artillery fire from Turkish forces conducting their so-called "Operation Peace Spring" against Kurdish fighters backed by the U.S. but considered terrorist organizations by Turkey.

    The senior Pentagon official said that Turkish forces should be aware of U.S. positions "down to the grid." The official could not specify the exact number of personnel present, but indicated they were "small numbers below company level," so somewhere between 15 and 100 troops.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,851
    Of all the manufactured outrage over everything trump does this whole kurd thing might take the cake.

    No one ever heard of these fuckers until cnn started whining a couple weeks ago
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,024

    Of all the manufactured outrage over everything trump does this whole kurd thing might take the cake.

    No one ever heard of these fuckers until cnn started whining a couple weeks ago

    Things that proudly ignorant people say
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,518 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2019
    BearsWiin said:

    Of all the manufactured outrage over everything trump does this whole kurd thing might take the cake.

    No one ever heard of gave a fuck about these fuckers until cnn started whining a couple weeks ago

    Things that proudly ignorant people say
    But those of us who are informed can crisp it up a bit.

  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    Of all the manufactured outrage over everything trump does this whole kurd thing might take the cake.

    No one ever heard of these fuckers until cnn started whining a couple weeks ago

    Shockingly ignorant. Hell we studied the Kurds in World History in high school...
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,518 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2019
    GDS said:

    Of all the manufactured outrage over everything trump does this whole kurd thing might take the cake.

    No one ever heard of these fuckers until cnn started whining a couple weeks ago

    Shockingly ignorant. Hell we studied the Kurds in World History in high school...
    And you've worked tirelessly since for their cause, right?

    Nobody gave any fucks about the Kurds then. Nobody gives any fucks about the Kurds. Just be honest about it.

    Kurds are political props. Just like the illegals nobody wants to take into their own homes but are fine hiring as day work for cash in the Home Depot parking lot.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,941
    The left cares so much about the Kurds they stood by and said nothing while the “JV” team was lopping off their heads.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 19,899 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Did hondo get fired or something?

    Way to pick up the slack lackey

    I'm for endless wars. Remember? You said it so it must be true.








  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited October 2019
    Nobody supported the Kurds more than the leftists.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited October 2019
    GDS said:

    Of all the manufactured outrage over everything trump does this whole kurd thing might take the cake.

    No one ever heard of these fuckers until cnn started whining a couple weeks ago

    Shockingly ignorant. Hell we studied the Kurds in World History in high school...
    Do you studied them last week? Was that after you studied Che?
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    GDS said:

    Of all the manufactured outrage over everything trump does this whole kurd thing might take the cake.

    No one ever heard of these fuckers until cnn started whining a couple weeks ago

    Shockingly ignorant. Hell we studied the Kurds in World History in high school...
    And you've worked tirelessly since for their cause, right?

    Nobody gave any fucks about the Kurds then. Nobody gives any fucks about the Kurds. Just be honest about it.

    Kurds are political props. Just like the illegals nobody wants to take into their own homes but are fine hiring as day work for cash in the Home Depot parking lot.

    Right. Because the fact I didn’t make it my life’s work to fight for the Kurds means I can’t be outraged we are leaving them to be slaughtered by the Turks. Of all the dumbass takes on this board this one has to be right up there. “The throbber”....lmao
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