Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
I think 7-5 or 8-4 is very much in play this year on over reaction Monday
Some years are like that regardless if its year 6 or 2. Not every trajectory is straight up.
You hope that by recruiting better players you can avoid major rebuilds like we hoped this year.
Doesn't always work
I could see a series of close frustrating losses because we are still mentally weak
I came into this year with irrational exuberance calling for 11-1 and King of North. Thought we were plug in play. Looking like that's not gonna work out and this is an 8- 10 win team in the regular season. Football's a tricky game and some years it's better to be lucky than good. For example, what's our 2018 season look like with 2019 Peyton Henry? Pete's earned my trust through year 8 no matter how frustrating this ride has been at times.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
Probably right, except DJ produced at least a couple of teams that would have killed any Pete's put together to date. Pete's best team would be maimed by '84, '90 and '91 UW IMO.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
I think 7-5 or 8-4 is very much in play this year on over reaction Monday
Some years are like that regardless if its year 6 or 2. Not every trajectory is straight up.
You hope that by recruiting better players you can avoid major rebuilds like we hoped this year.
Doesn't always work
I could see a series of close frustrating losses because we are still mentally weak
I seriously think it's impossible for Washington to do any worse than 9 games this year. The team would have to collectively shit themselves and give up, and say what else you want about Peterman his teams don't do that.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
Probably right, except DJ produced at least a couple of teams that would have killed any Pete's put together to date. Pete's best team would be maimed by '84, '90 and '91 UW IMO.
1991 beats 2016 100% of the Tim; 1990 beats them 81% of the Tim and 1984 about 90%. Again, those seasons were years 10, 16 and 17 repsecktively. We've got to think of this along the lines of geologic Tim, holmes.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
I think 7-5 or 8-4 is very much in play this year on over reaction Monday
Some years are like that regardless if its year 6 or 2. Not every trajectory is straight up.
You hope that by recruiting better players you can avoid major rebuilds like we hoped this year.
Doesn't always work
I could see a series of close frustrating losses because we are still mentally weak
This is key. And I don't see it changing anytime soon. Pete prefers the mentally weak. It's a euphemism for coachable. Better players will improve upon his process, but the mentally weak fold under pressure.
Comparing floors is not relevant. Too much has changed since James was at UW. Hell, even comparing Petersen's ceiling to James' is moot; James had his ceiling collapsed by the Administration when he wouldn't sell out his staff to keep his job. This won't happen to Petersen. He's here as long as he wants to be. UW football forever became softcore under Tyrone, whose legacy has had a more lasting impact than did James'.
Everything happens faster these days, so I don't think Petersen deserves more time. Pete is soft. He is also stubborn. He want's to prove his accomplishments at BSU are achievable in a power 5 conference, and that his process can garner a natty. He still feels slighted he never got the chance to play in the BCS game when undefeated at BSU. It's no mistake he chose the PAC, the most mentally weak conference, to roll out his process.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
I think 7-5 or 8-4 is very much in play this year on over reaction Monday
Some years are like that regardless if its year 6 or 2. Not every trajectory is straight up.
You hope that by recruiting better players you can avoid major rebuilds like we hoped this year.
Doesn't always work
I could see a series of close frustrating losses because we are still mentally weak
I came into this year with irrational exuberance calling for 11-1 and King of North. Thought we were plug in play. Looking like that's not gonna work out and this is an 8- 10 win team in the regular season. Football's a tricky game and some years it's better to be lucky than good. For example, what's our 2018 season look like with 2019 Peyton Henry? Pete's earned my trust through year 8 no matter how frustrating this ride has been at times.
During his tenure @ UW, Petersen has proven that his game time decision making is mediocre at best, especially in close games: 2014 @ UA (@TheChart), 2015 @ Boise, 2018 vs Auburn, 2018 @ 0reg0n, and now 2019 vs Cal, all stand out as examples.
The only win that could be considered an upset was 2015 @ SC.
Not to mention his bowl games record.
The man who coached one of the most memorable games in college football history (2007 Fiesta Bowl) is not the same coach we? see now, that's for damn sure.
I'm starting to think that his time at Boise fucked him a little. He never had close games on a regular basis. He was always blowing teams out and closing out the game early. I'm wondering if it fucked his game management and time management skills. In his big bowl wins he went out there like the spunky underdog and trick played their way into wins. But as in close games where his talent disparity isn't just overwhelming, he seems to have mental midget moments that are just baffling. It just seems like he's unfamiliar with what to do in those moments, and maybe it's because he's not used to being there.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
Probably right, except DJ produced at least a couple of teams that would have killed any Pete's put together to date. Pete's best team would be maimed by '84, '90 and '91 UW IMO.
1991 beats 2016 100% of the Tim; 1990 beats them 81% of the Tim and 1984 about 90%. Again, those seasons were years 10, 16 and 17 repsecktively. We've got to think of this along the lines of geologic Tim, holmes.
We often say a QB "shit himself" on a play, or call said QB "Browsocks", but that is all figurative of course. We don't mean actual pooping on the field. But I was THERE in '84 ese; you were a glimmer in Papa Yella's eyes. Listen up young buck.
The '84 defense would have made Browning actually blow brown liquid out of his ass into his pants and all over the field at the mere sight of Tim Meamber. And while the offense was no juggernaut, the running game would have been other-worldly for today's defenses. People didn't brag about their defense by yammering all day about their fucking DBs and some DB coach like current Washington. Rick Phinney would have hurt someone on 2016 UW D trying to tackle him. Not make them feel bruised. Literally, he would have maimed somebody on that defense. And if a fight broke out? Holy shit. Kevin Gogan and Meamber alone could have handled the entire 2016 team in fight. And even those two were smart enough to not ever fuck around with Ricky Andrews.
Not high scoring, but Washington '84 wins that one rather easily, say 24 to negative points. That, and 1990's win percentage goes to about 97% of the time, and 1991 150% of the time.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
I think 7-5 or 8-4 is very much in play this year on over reaction Monday
Some years are like that regardless if its year 6 or 2. Not every trajectory is straight up.
You hope that by recruiting better players you can avoid major rebuilds like we hoped this year.
Doesn't always work
I could see a series of close frustrating losses because we are still mentally weak
This is key. And I don't see it changing anytime soon. Pete prefers the mentally weak. It's a euphemism for coachable. Better players will improve upon his process, but the mentally weak fold under pressure.
Comparing floors is not relevant. Too much has changed since James was at UW. Hell, even comparing Petersen's ceiling to James' is moot; James had his ceiling collapsed by the Administration when he wouldn't sell out his staff to keep his job. This won't happen to Petersen. He's here as long as he wants to be. UW football forever became softcore under Tyrone, whose legacy has had a more lasting impact than did James'.
Everything happens faster these days, so I don't think Petersen deserves more time. Pete is soft. He is also stubborn. He want's to prove his accomplishments at BSU are achievable in a power 5 conference, and that his process can garner a natty. He still feels slighted he never got the chance to play in the BCS game when undefeated at BSU. It's no mistake he chose the PAC, the most mentally weak conference, to roll out his process.
I don't know if that's true of Pete or not, but I do agree that 'coachable' means 'I can make them behave however I want', and Tuff people usually don't present that way.
During his tenure @ UW, Petersen has proven that his game time decision making is mediocre at best, especially in close games: 2014 @ UA (@TheChart), 2015 @ Boise, 2018 vs Auburn, 2018 @ 0reg0n, and now 2019 vs Cal, all stand out as examples.
The only win that could be considered an upset was 2015 @ SC.
Not to mention his bowl games record.
The man who coached one of the most memorable games in college football history (2007 Fiesta Bowl) is not the same coach we? see now, that's for damn sure.
I'm starting to think that his time at Boise fucked him a little. He never had close games on a regular basis. He was always blowing teams out and closing out the game early. I'm wondering if it fucked his game management and time management skills. In his big bowl wins he went out there like the spunky underdog and trick played their way into wins. But as in close games where his talent disparity isn't just overwhelming, he seems to have mental midget moments that are just baffling. It just seems like he's unfamiliar with what to do in those moments, and maybe it's because he's not used to being there.
Quick glance at the records, looks like @ BSU he went 7-7 in games decided by 3 pts or less. Unimpressive.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Wholeheartedly agree. Sunday morning sucked like a golf ball going through a garden hose. But I haven't seen any evidence to date to suggest that Pete's floor is any worse than what DJ achieve here. Jury is still out on the ceiling and I'm not going to panic based on one game or if we go 9- 3 (or even 8-4) and don't with the Pac.
Probably right, except DJ produced at least a couple of teams that would have killed any Pete's put together to date. Pete's best team would be maimed by '84, '90 and '91 UW IMO.
1991 beats 2016 100% of the Tim; 1990 beats them 81% of the Tim and 1984 about 90%. Again, those seasons were years 10, 16 and 17 repsecktively. We've got to think of this along the lines of geologic Tim, holmes.
We often say a QB "shit himself" on a play, or call said QB "Browsocks", but that is all figurative of course. We don't mean actual pooping on the field. But I was THERE in '84 ese; you were a glimmer in Papa Yella's eyes. Listen up young buck.
The '84 defense would have made Browning actually blow brown liquid out of his ass into his pants and all over the field at the mere sight of Tim Meamber. And while the offense was no juggernaut, the running game would have been other-worldly for today's defenses. People didn't brag about their defense by yammering all day about their fucking DBs and some DB coach like current Washington. Rick Phinney would have hurt someone on 2016 UW D trying to tackle him. Not make them feel bruised. Literally, he would have maimed somebody on that defense. And if a fight broke out? Holy shit. Kevin Gogan and Meamber alone could have handled the entire 2016 team in fight. And even those two were smart enough to not ever fuck around with Ricky Andrews.
Not high scoring, but Washington '84 wins that one rather easily, say 24 to negative points. That, and 1990's win percentage goes to about 97% of the time, and 1991 150% of the time.
Thanks for the laugh. And then the cry. I'm becoming soft like Pete. If this shit continues to degrade, I shudder the thought, I may go on to invent Hardcore Ducks.
Thanks for the laugh. And then the cry. I'm becoming soft like Pete. If this shit continues to degrade, I shudder the thought, I may go on to invent Hardcore Ducks.
Thanks for the laugh. And then the cry. I'm becoming soft like Pete. If this shit continues to degrade, I shudder the thought, I may go on to invent Hardcore Ducks.
The leveling up bullshit needs to stop. Same with the Clemson path type posts and articles. We have leveled up when we make the playoff again. Not because our average star rating is getting higher.
The leveling up bullshit needs to stop. Same with the Clemson path type posts and articles. We have leveled up when we make the playoff again. Not because our average star rating is getting higher.
Don won his second title year 6 then #3 in year 7 then blew two more in a row by losing the Apple Cup twice
Don beat Texas in the Sun Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl
There is plenty of room above the bar that James set. That's where I would prefer Pete aim.
Don also beat USC and UCLA in his first year when those schools were both top 15. He beat USC in 1977 when they were top 10. He beat Texas when they were #6. He beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl when they were #4.
Pete beat Stanford in 2016, and that's really about it in terms of marquee victories.
I edited Race's post just to correct the spelling of the word "site" as I don't think he meant to misspell it like a lot of you chimps like to do in your poasts.
I edited Race's post just to correct the spelling of the word "site" as I don't think he meant to misspell it like a lot of you chimps like to do in your poasts.
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Comparing floors is not relevant. Too much has changed since James was at UW. Hell, even comparing Petersen's ceiling to James' is moot; James had his ceiling collapsed by the Administration when he wouldn't sell out his staff to keep his job. This won't happen to Petersen. He's here as long as he wants to be. UW football forever became softcore under Tyrone, whose legacy has had a more lasting impact than did James'.
Everything happens faster these days, so I don't think Petersen deserves more time. Pete is soft. He is also stubborn. He want's to prove his accomplishments at BSU are achievable in a power 5 conference, and that his process can garner a natty. He still feels slighted he never got the chance to play in the BCS game when undefeated at BSU. It's no mistake he chose the PAC, the most mentally weak conference, to roll out his process.
The '84 defense would have made Browning actually blow brown liquid out of his ass into his pants and all over the field at the mere sight of Tim Meamber. And while the offense was no juggernaut, the running game would have been other-worldly for today's defenses. People didn't brag about their defense by yammering all day about their fucking DBs and some DB coach like current Washington. Rick Phinney would have hurt someone on 2016 UW D trying to tackle him. Not make them feel bruised. Literally, he would have maimed somebody on that defense. And if a fight broke out? Holy shit. Kevin Gogan and Meamber alone could have handled the entire 2016 team in fight. And even those two were smart enough to not ever fuck around with Ricky Andrews.
Not high scoring, but Washington '84 wins that one rather easily, say 24 to negative points. That, and 1990's win percentage goes to about 97% of the time, and 1991 150% of the time.
Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.
Pete beat Stanford in 2016, and that's really about it in terms of marquee victories.