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    Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 7,958
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    Unfortunately leftards lie and love to be lied to. UBI will be supplemental not a replacement. Just will make the US more of a world welfare magnet.

    Again, don't necessarily have a massive problem for the $1000 subsidy per month. But it comes with a performance clause.

    Sitting around doing jack shit and then getting rewarded isn't good for 6 year olds, for teenagers, for the elderly. Get the fuck up and do something.

    True...my only concern about this though is at some point you have to do a cost-benefit analysis to see if it’s worth it to set up a system to assign people work *and* that they’re following through. When I was once unemployed I had to log onto a website and report the number of job applications I filled out, etc. to get my unemployment check. I’m sure agency that oversaw everything was no cheap and that there were still people that gamed the system.

    Unfortunately, it’s difficult to quantify the effect *not* setting up an accountability system would have until you’re so far down the economic/social rabbit hole that it’s too late.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,686
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    Sledog said:

    Swaye said:

    I'd be seriously intrigued by him if he wasn't anti-2A. From his website:

    GOALS
    Create a common sense licensing policy, requiring investment and safety precautions
    Prevent dangerous individuals from owning guns
    Ban the manufacture, sale, and transfer of weapons and accessories that make it easier for individuals to commit mass shootings
    Enhance mental health resources available to people who need help
    Provide deescalation training and mental health professionals to law enforcement agencies to prevent interactions from becoming deadly

    So yeah, I liked him until that trash.


    His primary economic vision will help lift up all Americans, which I firmly believe will reduce the occurrence of mass shootings. It’s the economic distress faced by entire sectors and communities that is leading to the degradation of society, feelings of hopelessness, and acts of criminality. He’s not coming for our guns.
    It's the lack of parenting which leads to so many things bad that is the root of this problem. Of course some are encouraged not to have a father to get a bigger chunk of gooberment cheese............
    In order to get UBI, you have to opt out of the other programs that are inefficient are full of bureaucratic bloat. Any small government type should LOVE it.
    All of it needs to be reined in. UBI is BS. Socialist drivel.

    HTH
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,865
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    How about you take a 10 dollar an hour minimum wage job and work 100 hours a week. Little more than half time.
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,062
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    Swaye said:

    I'd be seriously intrigued by him if he wasn't anti-2A. From his website:

    GOALS
    Create a common sense licensing policy, requiring investment and safety precautions
    Prevent dangerous individuals from owning guns
    Ban the manufacture, sale, and transfer of weapons and accessories that make it easier for individuals to commit mass shootings
    Enhance mental health resources available to people who need help
    Provide deescalation training and mental health professionals to law enforcement agencies to prevent interactions from becoming deadly

    So yeah, I liked him until that trash.


    His primary economic vision will help lift up all Americans, which I firmly believe will reduce the occurrence of mass shootings. It’s the economic distress faced by entire sectors and communities that is leading to the degradation of society, feelings of hopelessness, and acts of criminality. He’s not coming for our guns.
    Hey, as stated I actually like his radical approaches to a number of things. When Little Jimmy @jecornel first started hyping him I figured he was a typical liberal shithead, but he isn't. He is a disruptor 180 out from Trump, and I love me some disruptors. He is compelling to me, but I have admitted many times I am the worst kind of voter (single issue) and once he said licensing of firearms I checked out on him.

    I am old enough to remember Democrats who got A+ ratings from the NRA and were hardcore gun rights supporters. Those days have been gone for almost 2 decades now. You simply cannot run in the modern Democratic Party without buying the anti gun religion they spew. It's a shame. I am quite conservative on many issues, but I think the GOP is a just slightly less retarded version of the DNC. I value people who want to break molds and be visionary. Even if they are liberals. Just wish they didn't always have to tie themselves to planks that limit my rights.

    p.s. Really like the fact that I haven't heard a bunch of social justice warrior bullshit from him. Maybe he has said it, but I haven't read it. AOC lost me immediately with all the SJW horseshit, and then she opened her mouth and I realized she is dumb as a brick. Yang is a smart fucker. I like that.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,686
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    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    I'd be seriously intrigued by him if he wasn't anti-2A. From his website:

    GOALS
    Create a common sense licensing policy, requiring investment and safety precautions
    Prevent dangerous individuals from owning guns
    Ban the manufacture, sale, and transfer of weapons and accessories that make it easier for individuals to commit mass shootings
    Enhance mental health resources available to people who need help
    Provide deescalation training and mental health professionals to law enforcement agencies to prevent interactions from becoming deadly

    So yeah, I liked him until that trash.


    His primary economic vision will help lift up all Americans, which I firmly believe will reduce the occurrence of mass shootings. It’s the economic distress faced by entire sectors and communities that is leading to the degradation of society, feelings of hopelessness, and acts of criminality. He’s not coming for our guns.
    Hey, as stated I actually like his radical approaches to a number of things. When Little Jimmy @jecornel first started hyping him I figured he was a typical liberal shithead, but he isn't. He is a disruptor 180 out from Trump, and I love me some disruptors. He is compelling to me, but I have admitted many times I am the worst kind of voter (single issue) and once he said licensing of firearms I checked out on him.

    I am old enough to remember Democrats who got A+ ratings from the NRA and were hardcore gun rights supporters. Those days have been gone for almost 2 decades now. You simply cannot run in the modern Democratic Party without buying the anti gun religion they spew. It's a shame. I am quite conservative on many issues, but I think the GOP is a just slightly less retarded version of the DNC. I value people who want to break molds and be visionary. Even if they are liberals. Just wish they didn't always have to tie themselves to planks that limit my rights.

    p.s. Really like the fact that I haven't heard a bunch of social justice warrior bullshit from him. Maybe he has said it, but I haven't read it. AOC lost me immediately with all the SJW horseshit, and then she opened her mouth and I realized she is dumb as a brick. Yang is a smart fucker. I like that.
    Chinned for single issue voting.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    I’m not exaggerating when I say that if this issue (AI/automation) is not tackled head on with intelligent solutions, we are facing an industrial revolution on steroids. Riots, looting, etc. The uneducated old white trucker that won’t have a job in 5 years is fucked. And he’s armed. They will not go silently. Check the history of job displacement for large sectors and communities. It leads to blight.

    The retail clerk, call center, and fast food workers are all fucked. GDP and corporate profits care nothing for them if machines can do their work for less.

    The Econ 101 idea that these folks all retrain and re-enter the workforce doesn’t account for a world where the workforce is dramatically reduced and specialized.

    Yang is the only candidate talking about this. Probably because he’s not a politician and actually understands technology and business.

    I’d recommend letting go of the left vs right gridlock and think about actual solutions. His proposals are not that wild. And they’re based on actual data, not electability polls and party platforms.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Fuck man, the guy that shot up west Texas was a trucker that just lost his job. He won’t be the last. Tens of thousands of them are ex-military too.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,686
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    Most mass shooter are liberals. HTH
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    Most mass shooter are liberals. HTH

    That’s an irrelevant (and I suspect inaccurate) observation. Sad to see you’re still playing the left vs right identity politics game. But then, you always were a brain dead remora.
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    GwadGwad Member Posts: 2,855
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    Sledog said:

    Most mass shooter are liberals. HTH

    That’s an irrelevant (and I suspect inaccurate) observation. Sad to see you’re still playing the left vs right identity politics game. But then, you always were a brain dead remora.
    Yes Rep. Tenney said something to this tune. It has no factual merit. A politician being dishonest who would of thunk it?
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,686
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    edited September 2019

    Sledog said:

    Most mass shooter are liberals. HTH

    That’s an irrelevant (and I suspect inaccurate) observation. Sad to see you’re still playing the left vs right identity politics game. But then, you always were a brain dead remora.
    Said the guy playing identity politics against truck drivers and veterans.

    At least go after those most frequently responsible. If we outlawed lefties mass shooting would drop by 90%.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Most mass shooter are liberals. HTH

    That’s an irrelevant (and I suspect inaccurate) observation. Sad to see you’re still playing the left vs right identity politics game. But then, you always were a brain dead remora.
    Said the guy playing identity politics against truck drivers and veterans.
    Against? I’m out here warning about the dangers of AI. They’re the ones who will lose their profession, not me. I’m trying to elect the guy that will HELP them. Before more decide they’ve got nothing to live for and kill more innocent Americans before suicide by cop ends their life. It’s not identity politics to point out that the most common job in 29 states is truck driver, avg profile is HS educated white guy in his 50s. Many are also ex-military, meaning they have the knowledge and training to cause some serious damage if they’re no longer able to provide for their families. This isn’t identity politics, these are facts. But you wanna keep arguing about if the shooter is a liberal or not.

    Stay stupid.
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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,812
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    Alaskans get $500 a month for oil (which is bad for the environment) that 99.5% of them have no bearing on. They just sit on their fat asses and collect a check. Why all the uproar over twice that as a replacement for welfare and other government handouts? He sees the future and he's a pragmatist and sees that most people can't just retrain three or four times in their lives to do new vocations. It's just not how it works.

    I personally think that the automation takeover of jerbs is way overblown, but if it does come true, UBI makes some sense.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,203
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    Dont automate truck drivers

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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,686
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    edited September 2019

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Most mass shooter are liberals. HTH

    That’s an irrelevant (and I suspect inaccurate) observation. Sad to see you’re still playing the left vs right identity politics game. But then, you always were a brain dead remora.
    Said the guy playing identity politics against truck drivers and veterans.
    Against? I’m out here warning about the dangers of AI. They’re the ones who will lose their profession, not me. I’m trying to elect the guy that will HELP them. Before more decide they’ve got nothing to live for and kill more innocent Americans before suicide by cop ends their life. It’s not identity politics to point out that the most common job in 29 states is truck driver, avg profile is HS educated white guy in his 50s. Many are also ex-military, meaning they have the knowledge and training to cause some serious damage if they’re no longer able to provide for their families. This isn’t identity politics, these are facts. But you wanna keep arguing about if the shooter is a liberal or not.

    Stay stupid.
    Still saying truck drivers are dangerous. Better kill them now!

    Welfare and related programs are worth far more than 1000.00 a month. They will not give it up for this handout.
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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,812
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    I think it's $500 a year. My bad.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Alaskans get $500 a month for oil (which is bad for the environment) that 99.5% of them have no bearing on. They just sit on their fat asses and collect a check. Why all the uproar over twice that as a replacement for welfare and other government handouts? He sees the future and he's a pragmatist and sees that most people can't just retrain three or four times in their lives to do new vocations. It's just not how it works.

    I personally think that the automation takeover of jerbs is way overblown, but if it does come true, UBI makes some sense.

    It’s already happening. The 5 million manufacturing jobs that went *poof* in the last decade are never coming back. They didn’t go offshore either. They were automated away.

    AI can already read radiology scans better than the best doctors. Once enough surgery film exists, machines can use that footage to learn and reference an infinite number of surgical techniques and apply them with precision a human hand can never replicate at 100% efficiency.

    This isn’t a sci-fi pipe dream. It’s present day reality, with advances being pushed by the richest and most successful tech companies we have.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    I think it's $500 a year. My bad.

    $1000-2000/year. I believe it fluctuates based on the oil revenue produced. But that’s the idea.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Most mass shooter are liberals. HTH

    That’s an irrelevant (and I suspect inaccurate) observation. Sad to see you’re still playing the left vs right identity politics game. But then, you always were a brain dead remora.
    Said the guy playing identity politics against truck drivers and veterans.
    Against? I’m out here warning about the dangers of AI. They’re the ones who will lose their profession, not me. I’m trying to elect the guy that will HELP them. Before more decide they’ve got nothing to live for and kill more innocent Americans before suicide by cop ends their life. It’s not identity politics to point out that the most common job in 29 states is truck driver, avg profile is HS educated white guy in his 50s. Many are also ex-military, meaning they have the knowledge and training to cause some serious damage if they’re no longer able to provide for their families. This isn’t identity politics, these are facts. But you wanna keep arguing about if the shooter is a liberal or not.

    Stay stupid.
    Still saying truck drivers are dangerous. Better kill them now!

    Welfare and related programs are worth far more than 1000.00 a month. They will not give it up for this handout.
    Any group with no future is dangerous. Truck drivers are just the obvious example. Driverless car/truck technology is already here.
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    GwadGwad Member Posts: 2,855
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    Lets take a walk down memory lane.....

    The Luddites were a secret oath-based organization[1] of English textile workers in the 19th century, a radical faction which destroyed textile machinery as a form of protest. The group was protesting against the use of machinery in a "fraudulent and deceitful manner" to get around standard labour practices.[2] Luddites feared that the time spent learning the skills of their craft would go to waste, as machines would replace their role in the industry.[3] Over time, however, the term has come to mean one opposed to industrialisation, automation, computerisation, or new technologies in general.[4] The Luddite movement began in Nottingham in England and culminated in a region-wide rebellion that lasted from 1811 to 1816. Mill and factory owners took to shooting protesters and eventually the movement was suppressed with legal and military force.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
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