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@sonics1993 - Do you consider the other recruit Roof is talking about “CATACLYSM”? Or is he just a very good addition to the class?
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If Lake were to leave, you think Pete would hand the DB room over to Will Harris or try to bring Gerald Alexander back as wellsonics1993 said:
No because you need a jimmy replacement who knows the system and players beause you don't know how long he's going to stay. Plus salary is a issue, we only had 300k to spend a coach and your not going to get a good LB coach with that kind of salary.UDubHusky23 said:
but it seems both Bob gregory and Pete K have the same weaknesses when it comes to recruiting. Since gregory and coach K coach inside and outside linebackers, wouldn't it have been more logical to have a 10th assistant coach that can help out in recruiting the lb positionsonics1993 said:
Jordan is a solid recruiter and has helped out with few commitments no one gives him credit for like Daniel Heimuli, Troy Fautanu and Noa Ngalu. Bob on the other hand is just not a good recruiter but is a excellent coach who knows how to develop guys. And the staff around him can make up for his downfall with recruiting and he can coach them up. Remember we had Ale Kaho who is a 5 star LB and Henry To'o To'o but the parents got in the way.UDubHusky23 said:@sonics1993 how big of a liability are bob gregory and jordan paopao on the recruiting trail? I know pete will never make a change for gregory but it seems it like both of these coaches miss key guys year in and year out
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Don't know if I would use that word but would definitely be a huge pick up.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - Do you consider the other recruit Roof is talking about “CATACLYSM”? Or is he just a very good addition to the class?
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Plan is for Wil to get it.UDubHusky23 said:
If Lake were to leave, you think Pete would hand the DB room over to Will Harris or try to bring Gerald Alexander back as wellsonics1993 said:
No because you need a jimmy replacement who knows the system and players beause you don't know how long he's going to stay. Plus salary is a issue, we only had 300k to spend a coach and your not going to get a good LB coach with that kind of salary.UDubHusky23 said:
but it seems both Bob gregory and Pete K have the same weaknesses when it comes to recruiting. Since gregory and coach K coach inside and outside linebackers, wouldn't it have been more logical to have a 10th assistant coach that can help out in recruiting the lb positionsonics1993 said:
Jordan is a solid recruiter and has helped out with few commitments no one gives him credit for like Daniel Heimuli, Troy Fautanu and Noa Ngalu. Bob on the other hand is just not a good recruiter but is a excellent coach who knows how to develop guys. And the staff around him can make up for his downfall with recruiting and he can coach them up. Remember we had Ale Kaho who is a 5 star LB and Henry To'o To'o but the parents got in the way.UDubHusky23 said:@sonics1993 how big of a liability are bob gregory and jordan paopao on the recruiting trail? I know pete will never make a change for gregory but it seems it like both of these coaches miss key guys year in and year out
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If Wil takes it.... what position group you think a tenth coach will be used for?sonics1993 said:
Plan is for Wil to get it.UDubHusky23 said:
If Lake were to leave, you think Pete would hand the DB room over to Will Harris or try to bring Gerald Alexander back as wellsonics1993 said:
No because you need a jimmy replacement who knows the system and players beause you don't know how long he's going to stay. Plus salary is a issue, we only had 300k to spend a coach and your not going to get a good LB coach with that kind of salary.UDubHusky23 said:
but it seems both Bob gregory and Pete K have the same weaknesses when it comes to recruiting. Since gregory and coach K coach inside and outside linebackers, wouldn't it have been more logical to have a 10th assistant coach that can help out in recruiting the lb positionsonics1993 said:
Jordan is a solid recruiter and has helped out with few commitments no one gives him credit for like Daniel Heimuli, Troy Fautanu and Noa Ngalu. Bob on the other hand is just not a good recruiter but is a excellent coach who knows how to develop guys. And the staff around him can make up for his downfall with recruiting and he can coach them up. Remember we had Ale Kaho who is a 5 star LB and Henry To'o To'o but the parents got in the way.UDubHusky23 said:@sonics1993 how big of a liability are bob gregory and jordan paopao on the recruiting trail? I know pete will never make a change for gregory but it seems it like both of these coaches miss key guys year in and year out
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I wonder that myself, my guess would be a special teams coach or bring in anthor DB coach.UDubHusky23 said:
If Wil takes it.... what position group you think a tenth coach will be used for?sonics1993 said:
Plan is for Wil to get it.UDubHusky23 said:
If Lake were to leave, you think Pete would hand the DB room over to Will Harris or try to bring Gerald Alexander back as wellsonics1993 said:
No because you need a jimmy replacement who knows the system and players beause you don't know how long he's going to stay. Plus salary is a issue, we only had 300k to spend a coach and your not going to get a good LB coach with that kind of salary.UDubHusky23 said:
but it seems both Bob gregory and Pete K have the same weaknesses when it comes to recruiting. Since gregory and coach K coach inside and outside linebackers, wouldn't it have been more logical to have a 10th assistant coach that can help out in recruiting the lb positionsonics1993 said:
Jordan is a solid recruiter and has helped out with few commitments no one gives him credit for like Daniel Heimuli, Troy Fautanu and Noa Ngalu. Bob on the other hand is just not a good recruiter but is a excellent coach who knows how to develop guys. And the staff around him can make up for his downfall with recruiting and he can coach them up. Remember we had Ale Kaho who is a 5 star LB and Henry To'o To'o but the parents got in the way.UDubHusky23 said:@sonics1993 how big of a liability are bob gregory and jordan paopao on the recruiting trail? I know pete will never make a change for gregory but it seems it like both of these coaches miss key guys year in and year out
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Me reading this thread:
@sonics1993
(Disclaimer: I'm usually pretty lost around here, so par for the course)
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But at the level we are now recruiting at most of our recruits have an Alabama, Oregon, USC, and/or Ohio State coach willing to do or say anything to get that kid.sonics1993 said:
But we had Ale, he committed and signed. Nothing we can do when it gets shady. He had Henry, Henry's dad thought he should be a outside pass rusher/buck, nothing we can do about that. LB play has yet to be a problem so I don't see thee need to replace especially with his track record. There are a lot of of LB coaches that can recruit but can't coach and I don't wan them. The whole coaching staff is involved with special teams, blaming just Bob for it is wrong.FremontTroll said:
To play devil's advocate- there are always good excuses for the fish that got away.sonics1993 said:
Jordan is a solid recruiter and has helped out with few commitments no one gives him credit for like Daniel Heimuli, Troy Fautanu and Noa Ngalu. Bob on the other hand is just not a good recruiter but is a excellent coach who knows how to develop guys. And the staff around him can make up for his downfall with recruiting and he can coach them up. Remember we had Ale Kaho who is a 5 star LB and Henry To'o To'o but the parents got in the way.UDubHusky23 said:@sonics1993 how big of a liability are bob gregory and jordan paopao on the recruiting trail? I know pete will never make a change for gregory but it seems it like both of these coaches miss key guys year in and year out
Way too many big fish slip off our hooks at LB even with multiple staff members pitching in. Last year it was To'oTo'o the year before Ale this year Botelho and Herbig. All for good reasons but closers give recruits reasons to choose UW and to ignore reasons to go elsewhere.
The staff around Bob has prevented it from being an unmitigated disaster by getting Heimuli among others but the talent at LB still lags the rest of the roster.
Also why hasn't Bob's coaching and development translated to special teams success? Does he just not have enough time to devote or does he not have the knowledge or what?
I expect our coverage teams will be better this year just due to increased depth but our kicking still seems like it could be a huge disaster. And why is Fuller returning punts? Is that CP's decision?
So by definition when we lose on a kid like To'oto'o or Ale or Botelho it will be for a perceived shady or unfair reason.
Bob has lots of those types of losses now.
I can't think of a single Jimmy Lake recruit who we've lost due to family or other outside circumstances. Byron Murphy for one had a lot of pressure to go elsewhere but Jimmy held on.
Malloe got burned twice on Marlon and Togiai. We thought he was going to be another subpar recruiter but either those really were both flukes or he made a huge adjustment because he has been lights out ever since.
I don't want an LB coach that can recruit but can't coach. I want one who can do both.
Everyone wants to work for CP at this point. Why not leverage that to hit another homerun assistant hire? Look at the hit rate of coaches added to the staff later vs the original staff.
Whatever the problem with special teams was last year I hope they adjusted their approach this year. -
StrongArmCobra said:
He may have a legit source or sources, but there was definitely some bullshit mixed in with the source info. First he says UW had Josh Delgado higher on the board than Taj Davis (LOL) and then he retracted that and said Davis took Delgado's spot and Delgado was indeed slow played. That wouldn't have happened if Taj Davis was lower on the board than Delgado was.dnc said:This would be in the running for best thread of all time just based on the fantastic info but this beat down of all BallzDeep's talking points makes it the undisputed best. thread. ever.
IMO, of course.
Then he says UW was originally looking to only take two WR's this class and that it got bumped to three. That makes sense, they took Sawyer as insurance not knowing at the time Junior Adams fucks and would get both Jalen and Rome who were both clearly prioritized over Wilson. That caused Wilson to be slow played and I'm sure Oregon was in his ear about that and that's why he stopped taking UW's calls. Sonic didn't get that info about Wilson not taking UW's calls from a UW source. He got it from posts by Oregon mods and so he mixes his own speculation based on what mods say just like all of us and tries to pass it off as source info when it's not and he was mistaken. Yes, I'm sure Wilson stopped taking UW's calls at some point, but it wasn't because he was a top target and wasn't interested. It was because he was VERY interested but didn't feel like a top priority for UW so he moved on. I respect that. Going where you're wanted and needed the most isn't a bad move to make.
I call bullshit out when I see it. His "UW doesn't slow play top guys" shit was total bullshit. They offer way more guys than they can take in any given class which means it is inevitable that some guys get slow played while they wait for their top targets to make their decisions. Highly rated guys have been slow played and passed on many times before. Even guys fans perceive as must take guys can and have been slow played and Johnny Wilson was one of them. If he doesn't know that then he's either not as plugged in as someone like Roof is or he's a shill for the staff and doesn't want that kind of info on the boards because the staff is still keeping their eye on Wilson his Senior year and as he said, recruits and parents read the boards.
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Do you have any stories from when Sark was coach here or at USC or Bama?
