Big Day for you today O'Keefed...
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I get it you can sit here and say what you want about technique until you're getting punched in the face. The fact is the suspect never assaulted any of these officers. The officers instigated a physical confrontation that went outside the realm of their control. They should be training techniques EVERY DAY and handle the control of a resisting human being objectively rather than a hail mary choke hold. Its bad for their brand otherwise.
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Why were they arresting him?Gwad said:I just watched the video. The officers are actually arguing with the subject about whether he did something wrong or not. Talk about being a limp dick police officer, can't even control the dialogue.
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Well the video I am looking at the officers are exhibiting poor body language. Lack of eye contact, arms crossed or in their pockets and the excited suspect is asking what he did. I don't see any de-escalation techniques being administered. They just seem kind of autistic. Having trouble finding the whole original video though.SFGbob said:
Why were they arresting him?Gwad said:I just watched the video. The officers are actually arguing with the subject about whether he did something wrong or not. Talk about being a limp dick police officer, can't even control the dialogue.
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I can see you've never had to control anyone. You are required by law to submit to arrest. How is it the cops fault he resists? How is it their fault he had a heart attack later? He was hugely obese and obviously not in good health. No it was not the fault of police and the police were not prosecuted for any wrong doing.Gwad said:I get it you can sit here and say what you want about technique until you're getting punched in the face. The fact is the suspect never assaulted any of these officers. The officers instigated a physical confrontation that went outside the realm of their control. They should be training techniques EVERY DAY and handle the control of a resisting human being objectively rather than a hail mary choke hold. Its bad for their brand otherwise.
But keep trying to hold your internet trials after this case went through massive scrutiny and was found to not be improper and without any charges filed against the officers. -
He was being placed under arrest. He was resisting arrest. If you don't want bad things to happen to you don't resist arrest. Assume that all cops are going have "poor body language" and crossed arms and do what the fuck the police are asking you to do. If the police are asking you to do something illegal or immoral that's something you can address later downtown, But when you're being placed under arrest is not the time to play street lawyer.Gwad said:
Well the video I am looking at the officers are exhibiting poor body language. Lack of eye contact, arms crossed or in their pockets and the excited suspect is asking what he did. I don't see any de-escalation techniques being administered. They just seem kind of autistic. Having trouble finding the whole original video though.SFGbob said:
Why were they arresting him?Gwad said:I just watched the video. The officers are actually arguing with the subject about whether he did something wrong or not. Talk about being a limp dick police officer, can't even control the dialogue.
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I practice controlling people on a semi regular basis and its tough especially when they have training to minimize your control and increase theirs. I'm not subscribing to any sort of legal consequence either way. In the context of being a COP though and based on the video evidence of this physical confrontation it was a pretty piss poor showing of how these guys were trained.Sledog said:
I can see you've never had to control anyone. You are required by law to submit to arrest. How is it the cops fault he resists? How is it their fault he had a heart attack later? He was hugely obese and obviously not in good health. No it was not the fault of police and the police were not prosecuted for any wrong doing.Gwad said:I get it you can sit here and say what you want about technique until you're getting punched in the face. The fact is the suspect never assaulted any of these officers. The officers instigated a physical confrontation that went outside the realm of their control. They should be training techniques EVERY DAY and handle the control of a resisting human being objectively rather than a hail mary choke hold. Its bad for their brand otherwise.
But keep trying to hold your internet trials after this case went through massive scrutiny and was found to not be improper and without any charges filed against the officers. -
Dumb. Your job is to be a professional cop. If you're always blaming the perp on the outcomes than it creates a cognitive bias that diminishes your ability to become better at your job.SFGbob said:
He was being placed under arrest. He was resisting arrest. If you don't want bad things to happen to you don't resist arrest. Assume that all cops are going have "poor body language" and crossed arms and do what the fuck the police are asking you to do. If the police are asking you to do something illegal or immoral that's something you can address later downtown, But when you're being placed under arrest is not the time to play street lawyer.Gwad said:
Well the video I am looking at the officers are exhibiting poor body language. Lack of eye contact, arms crossed or in their pockets and the excited suspect is asking what he did. I don't see any de-escalation techniques being administered. They just seem kind of autistic. Having trouble finding the whole original video though.SFGbob said:
Why were they arresting him?Gwad said:I just watched the video. The officers are actually arguing with the subject about whether he did something wrong or not. Talk about being a limp dick police officer, can't even control the dialogue.
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I completely agree. And don't hold to me to the details, because it's been a while. But wasn't the victim a neighborhood kid, they knew where he lived, he was always around, he was enormous so he wasn't going to run and hide very well, etc. etc.??SFGbob said:
Blame Mayor Bloomberg. He is the one who wanted the selling of "loosies" clamped down on. Bad things can happen when you resist arrest.creepycoug said:
Or that poor bastard they choked for selling cigarettes without a license.SFGbob said:
Completely agree. The Walter Scott shooting would have made a lot better case.creepycoug said:I've always said that it was a curiously terrible choice of police incidents on which to make this political stand. Just terrible.
There are invariably so many others from which to choose. This wasn't it.
There are bad cops who abuse theIt authority. My classmates who went the prosecutor route will tell you the same thing, because those cops tend to make their jobs harder. And that's in Seattle, which has a Mickey Mouse violent crime problem compared to many US cities.
At some point, if you're a good cop, I think you let that kid go and you follow him and you keep working to try and do it right. I'm not a second guesser by nature, but that one always bugged me. Completely agree that resisting arrest is a very, very bad idea, no matter how fucked you think the arrest is. Sort it out later.
But as I recall there were three or more cops taking this kid down where they busted him and one had him in a choke hold, and he told them over and over again he couldn't breathe.
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Then what happened?Sledog said:
They did not choke him to death. Holy shit.......creepycoug said:
Or that poor bastard they choked for selling cigarettes without a license.SFGbob said:
Completely agree. The Walter Scott shooting would have made a lot better case.creepycoug said:I've always said that it was a curiously terrible choice of police incidents on which to make this political stand. Just terrible.
There are invariably so many others from which to choose. This wasn't it.
There are bad cops who abuse theIt authority. My classmates who went the prosecutor route will tell you the same thing, because those cops tend to make their jobs harder. And that's in Seattle, which has a Mickey Mouse violent crime problem compared to many US cities. -
First of all I'm not always blaming the perp. And the job of the bus driver is to always stop at the red light. Now I can be a child and stamp my feet and say you were supposed to stop at the red light Mr. Bus driver after I blindly walk out into traffic not bothering to even look if the on coming traffic has slowed down, while foolishly relying on it's the job of the bus driver to stop. Or I can use a little common sense and look both ways before crossing and not assume that all bus drivers are always going to do their job properly.
You must live in some kind of special world where people aren't humans prone to the errors and mistakes and bad judgment and all the other human flaws that are out there.
Yes, the cops should have acted professionally, and he shouldn't have resisted arrest. Which part of that equation did Eric Garner have control over?
