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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,601 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    I've always said that it was a curiously terrible choice of police incidents on which to make this political stand. Just terrible.

    There are invariably so many others from which to choose. This wasn't it.

    There are bad cops who abuse theIt authority. My classmates who went the prosecutor route will tell you the same thing, because those cops tend to make their jobs harder. And that's in Seattle, which has a Mickey Mouse violent crime problem compared to many US cities.

    Completely agree. The Walter Scott shooting would have made a lot better case.
    Or that poor bastard they choked for selling cigarettes without a license.
    Blame Mayor Bloomberg. He is the one who wanted the selling of "loosies" clamped down on. Bad things can happen when you resist arrest.
    No mention of the officers poor ability to be in control of physical confrontations?
    No mention of criminal resistance. Illegal even if it was an unlawful arrest. That's where the blame lies.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    I've always said that it was a curiously terrible choice of police incidents on which to make this political stand. Just terrible.

    There are invariably so many others from which to choose. This wasn't it.

    There are bad cops who abuse theIt authority. My classmates who went the prosecutor route will tell you the same thing, because those cops tend to make their jobs harder. And that's in Seattle, which has a Mickey Mouse violent crime problem compared to many US cities.

    Completely agree. The Walter Scott shooting would have made a lot better case.
    Or that poor bastard they choked for selling cigarettes without a license.
    Blame Mayor Bloomberg. He is the one who wanted the selling of "loosies" clamped down on. Bad things can happen when you resist arrest.
    No mention of the officers poor ability to be in control of physical confrontations?
    When you resist arrest bad things can happen. Maybe you’ll get trigger happy cop. Maybe you’ll be roughed up more than was necessary all kinds of bad things can happen.

    If he didn’t resist would he have been put in a sleeper hold?
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  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    Sledog said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    I've always said that it was a curiously terrible choice of police incidents on which to make this political stand. Just terrible.

    There are invariably so many others from which to choose. This wasn't it.

    There are bad cops who abuse theIt authority. My classmates who went the prosecutor route will tell you the same thing, because those cops tend to make their jobs harder. And that's in Seattle, which has a Mickey Mouse violent crime problem compared to many US cities.

    Completely agree. The Walter Scott shooting would have made a lot better case.
    Or that poor bastard they choked for selling cigarettes without a license.
    Blame Mayor Bloomberg. He is the one who wanted the selling of "loosies" clamped down on. Bad things can happen when you resist arrest.
    No mention of the officers poor ability to be in control of physical confrontations?
    No mention of criminal resistance. Illegal even if it was an unlawful arrest. That's where the blame lies.
    I'm a police officer no one will ever resist me!! I shouldn't have to train how to easily control a resisting human being!!
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  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    I just watched the video. The officers are actually arguing with the subject about whether he did something wrong or not. Talk about being a limp dick police officer, can't even control the dialogue.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,601 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    Sledog said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    I've always said that it was a curiously terrible choice of police incidents on which to make this political stand. Just terrible.

    There are invariably so many others from which to choose. This wasn't it.

    There are bad cops who abuse theIt authority. My classmates who went the prosecutor route will tell you the same thing, because those cops tend to make their jobs harder. And that's in Seattle, which has a Mickey Mouse violent crime problem compared to many US cities.

    Completely agree. The Walter Scott shooting would have made a lot better case.
    Or that poor bastard they choked for selling cigarettes without a license.
    Blame Mayor Bloomberg. He is the one who wanted the selling of "loosies" clamped down on. Bad things can happen when you resist arrest.
    No mention of the officers poor ability to be in control of physical confrontations?
    No mention of criminal resistance. Illegal even if it was an unlawful arrest. That's where the blame lies.
    I'm a police officer no one will ever resist me!! I shouldn't have to train how to easily control a resisting human being!!
    Really? control a 500lb guy. Please post the video we'll see how you do. Having used and seen a carotid restraint used many times and had it applied to myself I can report everyone lived and no injuries. He could breathe just fine or he wouldn't be yelling "I can't breathe".
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    Gwad said:

    Sledog said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    creepycoug said:

    I've always said that it was a curiously terrible choice of police incidents on which to make this political stand. Just terrible.

    There are invariably so many others from which to choose. This wasn't it.

    There are bad cops who abuse theIt authority. My classmates who went the prosecutor route will tell you the same thing, because those cops tend to make their jobs harder. And that's in Seattle, which has a Mickey Mouse violent crime problem compared to many US cities.

    Completely agree. The Walter Scott shooting would have made a lot better case.
    Or that poor bastard they choked for selling cigarettes without a license.
    Blame Mayor Bloomberg. He is the one who wanted the selling of "loosies" clamped down on. Bad things can happen when you resist arrest.
    No mention of the officers poor ability to be in control of physical confrontations?
    No mention of criminal resistance. Illegal even if it was an unlawful arrest. That's where the blame lies.
    I'm a police officer no one will ever resist me!! I shouldn't have to train how to easily control a resisting human being!!
    Why was he being arrested simply for selling loose cigs? Isn't that something you'd just receive a ticket for? So why was he being arrested? And you dodged the question, would he have been put in a choke hold if he complied with the officers requests?
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  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    Oh please their were four officers there and the guy is 500lb of 'let me prepare myself to roll out of bed'. He used the choke hold to take the suspect down without ever trying to use a trip once off balance which is really poor technique. He tried to grab the suspects wrist before moving into the pseudo quarter nelson choke hold. A high probability of succeeding in control of his whole arm would of been a firm grip on the knuckles with his whole hand rather than the wrist control he attempted. Not to mention he never tries to use the wall they have him trapped up against as an element of control. The other officer isnt even ready for a altercation or to help the other guy throwing his hail mary choke hold. Pretty bad look for the brand of 'Protect and Serve' if you don't even know how to throw down.
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  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    Brazilian jiu-jitsu is founded on the concept that a smaller, weaker person can successfully defend themselves against a bigger, stronger, heavier opponent by using technique, leverage, and most notably, taking the fight to the ground, and then applying joint locks and chokeholds to defeat the opponent.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,601 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    Oh please their were four officers there and the guy is 500lb of 'let me prepare myself to roll out of bed'. He used the choke hold to take the suspect down without ever trying to use a trip once off balance which is really poor technique. He tried to grab the suspects wrist before moving into the pseudo quarter nelson choke hold. A high probability of succeeding in control of his whole arm would of been a firm grip on the knuckles with his whole hand rather than the wrist control he attempted. Not to mention he never tries to use the wall they have him trapped up against as an element of control. The other officer isnt even ready for a altercation or to help the other guy throwing his hail mary choke hold. Pretty bad look for the brand of 'Protect and Serve' if you don't even know how to throw down.

    I see the police defensive tactics instructor has arrived.

    Waiting to see you in action any word on when we can see the video?
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  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    I'll throw down with you. The guy wasn't even fighting back he was just resisting cuffs. Its pretty ez to see. The untrained officer threw up a hail mary because he knew he was undersized and has limited experience in physical confrontations.
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