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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    So a metric fuckton of new taxes

    Financial transaction tax is negligible, carbon tax will incentivize businesses to at least try, as we’ve said time after time VAT shouldn’t affect costs to a level that UBI cant offset and then some. Imo these are all on larger businesses that can shoulder them. Houston said its robbing from the lower class to help the middle, but the way I read it its using big business to generate rev for middle and lower class. Yangs entire platform and focus before this has been to stimulate SMBs and entrepreneurship in places other than the coasts.
    VAT and carbon taxes are the most regressive type of taxes around. Add to that an injection of inflation for those services and you are literally robbing the poor to give to the rich. Especially since the last interview I saw with Yang he specifically said that current government benefits will be deducted from your $1,000/month (ie the poorest don’t get any more yet are now stuck paying VAT taxes).

    It is literally stealing from the poor to give money to the middle class.
    But then you support tariffs.
    Tariffs were how we funded government before the ultra rich wanted income taxes so they could were sure they'd be repaid for the money they were loaning the government.
    Bet you want to go back to the gold standard too.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,893 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    So a metric fuckton of new taxes

    Financial transaction tax is negligible, carbon tax will incentivize businesses to at least try, as we’ve said time after time VAT shouldn’t affect costs to a level that UBI cant offset and then some. Imo these are all on larger businesses that can shoulder them. Houston said its robbing from the lower class to help the middle, but the way I read it its using big business to generate rev for middle and lower class. Yangs entire platform and focus before this has been to stimulate SMBs and entrepreneurship in places other than the coasts.
    VAT and carbon taxes are the most regressive type of taxes around. Add to that an injection of inflation for those services and you are literally robbing the poor to give to the rich. Especially since the last interview I saw with Yang he specifically said that current government benefits will be deducted from your $1,000/month (ie the poorest don’t get any more yet are now stuck paying VAT taxes).

    It is literally stealing from the poor to give money to the middle class.
    But then you support tariffs.
    Tariffs were how we funded government before the ultra rich wanted income taxes so they could were sure they'd be repaid for the money they were loaning the government.
    Bet you want to go back to the gold standard too.
    Yes I do. I suppose you just want free Shit paid by just printing money.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    So a metric fuckton of new taxes

    Financial transaction tax is negligible, carbon tax will incentivize businesses to at least try, as we’ve said time after time VAT shouldn’t affect costs to a level that UBI cant offset and then some. Imo these are all on larger businesses that can shoulder them. Houston said its robbing from the lower class to help the middle, but the way I read it its using big business to generate rev for middle and lower class. Yangs entire platform and focus before this has been to stimulate SMBs and entrepreneurship in places other than the coasts.
    VAT and carbon taxes are the most regressive type of taxes around. Add to that an injection of inflation for those services and you are literally robbing the poor to give to the rich. Especially since the last interview I saw with Yang he specifically said that current government benefits will be deducted from your $1,000/month (ie the poorest don’t get any more yet are now stuck paying VAT taxes).

    It is literally stealing from the poor to give money to the middle class.
    But then you support tariffs.
    Tariffs were how we funded government before the ultra rich wanted income taxes so they could were sure they'd be repaid for the money they were loaning the government.
    Bet you want to go back to the gold standard too.
    Yes I do. I suppose you just want free Shit paid by just printing money.
    I don't think the gold standard means what you think it does.
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000
    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    So a metric fuckton of new taxes

    Financial transaction tax is negligible, carbon tax will incentivize businesses to at least try, as we’ve said time after time VAT shouldn’t affect costs to a level that UBI cant offset and then some. Imo these are all on larger businesses that can shoulder them. Houston said its robbing from the lower class to help the middle, but the way I read it its using big business to generate rev for middle and lower class. Yangs entire platform and focus before this has been to stimulate SMBs and entrepreneurship in places other than the coasts.
    VAT and carbon taxes are the most regressive type of taxes around. Add to that an injection of inflation for those services and you are literally robbing the poor to give to the rich. Especially since the last interview I saw with Yang he specifically said that current government benefits will be deducted from your $1,000/month (ie the poorest don’t get any more yet are now stuck paying VAT taxes).

    It is literally stealing from the poor to give money to the middle class.
    But then you support tariffs.
    Everything but actual data tells me it causes inflation. It’s almost as if there are sources other than China for things.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    So a metric fuckton of new taxes

    Financial transaction tax is negligible, carbon tax will incentivize businesses to at least try, as we’ve said time after time VAT shouldn’t affect costs to a level that UBI cant offset and then some. Imo these are all on larger businesses that can shoulder them. Houston said its robbing from the lower class to help the middle, but the way I read it its using big business to generate rev for middle and lower class. Yangs entire platform and focus before this has been to stimulate SMBs and entrepreneurship in places other than the coasts.
    VAT and carbon taxes are the most regressive type of taxes around. Add to that an injection of inflation for those services and you are literally robbing the poor to give to the rich. Especially since the last interview I saw with Yang he specifically said that current government benefits will be deducted from your $1,000/month (ie the poorest don’t get any more yet are now stuck paying VAT taxes).

    It is literally stealing from the poor to give money to the middle class.
    But then you support tariffs.
    Everything but actual data tells me it causes inflation. It’s almost as if there are sources other than China for things.
    I don't know. Actual inflation looks higher under Trump than Obama.

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000
    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    So a metric fuckton of new taxes

    Financial transaction tax is negligible, carbon tax will incentivize businesses to at least try, as we’ve said time after time VAT shouldn’t affect costs to a level that UBI cant offset and then some. Imo these are all on larger businesses that can shoulder them. Houston said its robbing from the lower class to help the middle, but the way I read it its using big business to generate rev for middle and lower class. Yangs entire platform and focus before this has been to stimulate SMBs and entrepreneurship in places other than the coasts.
    VAT and carbon taxes are the most regressive type of taxes around. Add to that an injection of inflation for those services and you are literally robbing the poor to give to the rich. Especially since the last interview I saw with Yang he specifically said that current government benefits will be deducted from your $1,000/month (ie the poorest don’t get any more yet are now stuck paying VAT taxes).

    It is literally stealing from the poor to give money to the middle class.
    But then you support tariffs.
    Everything but actual data tells me it causes inflation. It’s almost as if there are sources other than China for things.
    I don't know. Actual inflation looks higher under Trump than Obama.

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
    When did Trump institute almost all of his tariffs again (hint...2018)? How again does 2018 and most recent 2019 inflation data compare to 2016 and 2017?

    It is amazing how dumb you really are...amazing.

    HondoFS...
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,481 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    dnc said:

    jecornel said:

    Yang/Tulsi ticket????????????

    I would vote for them.
    What, in your mind, is the difference between Yang and Bernie or Warren? Yang is for M4A, UBI will cost more than every other program Bernie and Warren have put out combined.
    For one thing I think Yang has approached this as a math problem not an issue of supposed "rights" or idealism. He has run the numbers and actually sees this helping the nation economically, not providing for one specific oppressed demographic or "economic justice". I'm not 100% convinced he's right but I'm much more inclined to try his concept because I am more optimistic it works mathematically and I think putting an end to (or at least a massive dent in) all the waste and corruption in the entitlements bureaucracies is a huge win.

    Along the same lines I see him as non partisan and someone who would seek to unite not divide. He's not running on not being Trump, he's running on actual substance.

    And I like Tulsi even better so its not just about him.

    Right now Tulsi and Yang are the two democrats I'd consider voting for. Put them together and I'd definitely vote for them in either order.
    Pretty much this. Tulsi is better.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    Swaye said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    Nobody wants to explain how the poor are getting stolen from when they are getting 12k per adult back?

    He literally said in his Joe Rogan interview that current govt benefits (ie food stamps, etc) get deducted from the $1,000/month. Not sure how else to say it.
    Right, but thats exactly the point. The idea is that UBI eventually replaces other welfare programs as people are incentivized to take the $1000, which has no bureaucracy or red tape behind it unlike other welfare programs such as food stamps. Food stamps are a great example because they have weird restrictions and actually make it harder in many cases for low income people to buy actual healthy food. UBI is a far more flexible and empowering replacement. From a conservative point of view I would think this makes more sense and Im surprised you seem to be arguing for other welfare programs.
    I know what you are saying here but from a conservative point of view all of these programs can get fuct and people can go get a fucking job and figure their shit out.

    The problem for me is we are now at the point where the only questions being asked are HOW MUCH free shit the government should give you for breathing, not whether or not there should even be FREE SHIT.

    War's over. Socialists won. I'm buying a compound.
    @PurpleThrobber true?
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,137 Standard Supporter
    Pitchfork51 said:

    Swaye said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    WilburHooksHands said:

    Nobody wants to explain how the poor are getting stolen from when they are getting 12k per adult back?

    He literally said in his Joe Rogan interview that current govt benefits (ie food stamps, etc) get deducted from the $1,000/month. Not sure how else to say it.
    Right, but thats exactly the point. The idea is that UBI eventually replaces other welfare programs as people are incentivized to take the $1000, which has no bureaucracy or red tape behind it unlike other welfare programs such as food stamps. Food stamps are a great example because they have weird restrictions and actually make it harder in many cases for low income people to buy actual healthy food. UBI is a far more flexible and empowering replacement. From a conservative point of view I would think this makes more sense and Im surprised you seem to be arguing for other welfare programs.
    I know what you are saying here but from a conservative point of view all of these programs can get fuct and people can go get a fucking job and figure their shit out.

    The problem for me is we are now at the point where the only questions being asked are HOW MUCH free shit the government should give you for breathing, not whether or not there should even be FREE SHIT.

    War's over. Socialists won. I'm buying a compound.
    @PurpleThrobber true?
    As long as I can keep the high ground for strategic reasons.

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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    pawz said:

    dnc said:

    TheKobeStopper said:

    dnc said:

    jecornel said:

    Yang/Tulsi ticket????????????

    I would vote for them.
    What, in your mind, is the difference between Yang and Bernie or Warren? Yang is for M4A, UBI will cost more than every other program Bernie and Warren have put out combined.
    For one thing I think Yang has approached this as a math problem not an issue of supposed "rights" or idealism. He has run the numbers and actually sees this helping the nation economically, not providing for one specific oppressed demographic or "economic justice". I'm not 100% convinced he's right but I'm much more inclined to try his concept because I am more optimistic it works mathematically and I think putting an end to (or at least a massive dent in) all the waste and corruption in the entitlements bureaucracies is a huge win.

    Along the same lines I see him as non partisan and someone who would seek to unite not divide. He's not running on not being Trump, he's running on actual substance.

    And I like Tulsi even better so its not just about him.

    Right now Tulsi and Yang are the two democrats I'd consider voting for. Put them together and I'd definitely vote for them in either order.
    Pretty much this. Tulsi is better.
    AGREE

    Hence

    "And I like Tulsi even better so its not just about him."


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