Let's talk Yang

RaceBannon

My eyes glazed over at previous discussions of UBI but since Yang is standing out as a potential contender someone give me the dumbed down hondo ready version of why I should want UBI please.

I'm thinking I can't live on a thousand a month and who the fuck can? What does this do? Does it replace all aid programs?

I heard him say he'd make Amazon pay for it since they don't pay federal tax. I'm pretty sure Amazon spends a shit ton of money to build the evil empire and for years they didn't make any money. They may still not. Bezo's wealth is the paper value of Amazon stock


What does UBI do for America? Thanks in advance

jecornel

His position is capitalism doesn't start at zero. It recognizes stay at home mother's work or stay at home Dad's. Provides some stability in transition.for teens. Help for shit people can't afford. Taking the proverbial boot off the throat.

I view it as Trump's wall in 16'. It's a differentiator?

His tax is a vat tax on goods which I'm not really a fan of another tax. Amazon doesn't really pay or FB. Hurts poorer people.

He has raised 250k plus in about 16 hours.

WilburHooksHands

Here is a pretty detailed FAQ from his site:

https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/

jecornel

Actually he has raised over 500k.

UW_Doog_Bot

Old school UBI'ists view UBI as a moar better replacement for all of our bureaucratic welfare programs.

Yang does not view it as a "replacement" so it will never happen. Then again, it will never happen as a replacement either. Too many entrenched interests.

WilburHooksHands

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Old school UBI'ists view UBI as a moar better replacement for all of our bureaucratic welfare programs.

Yang does not view it as a "replacement" so it will never happen. Then again, it will never happen as a replacement either. Too many entrenched interests.

Yang does view it as a replacement for everything but SS and Vets benefits, not sure where youre seeing that. Under his idea, you can’t get both and he theorizes that eventually the vast majority of people would take UBI because there are no preconditions.

UWhuskytskeet

WilburHooksHands said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Old school UBI'ists view UBI as a moar better replacement for all of our bureaucratic welfare programs.

Yang does not view it as a "replacement" so it will never happen. Then again, it will never happen as a replacement either. Too many entrenched interests.

Yang does view it as a replacement for everything but SS and Vets benefits, not sure where youre seeing that.

It says he leaving those recipients with the choice of taking welfare or UBI. Even though most would take UBI, you'd still be leaving the layer of bureaucracy for the retards that stick with welfare.

The means to pay for the Freedom Dividend will come from 4 sources:

1. Current spending. We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.

Would be much cheaper to just remove that option.

UW_Doog_Bot

WilburHooksHands said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Old school UBI'ists view UBI as a moar better replacement for all of our bureaucratic welfare programs.

Yang does not view it as a "replacement" so it will never happen. Then again, it will never happen as a replacement either. Too many entrenched interests.

Yang does view it as a replacement for everything but SS and Vets benefits, not sure where youre seeing that. Under his idea, you can’t get both and he theorizes that eventually the vast majority of people would take UBI because there are no preconditions.

Hmmm interesting. I watched interviews with him before and he skirted "replacement" of existing benefits. It looks like he's bit the bullet on that and is attempting to sell it as a replacement. *applause

If he drops the gun control pandering I might be on the Yangtrain.

PurpleThrobber

The Throbber despises something for nothing. Leads to slothful behaviors and outcomes.

Compensation should always be tied to milestones, performance or market. You do X, you get Y. You don't like making $25/hour, fine. There is a supply of labor who will, or you're free to take your talents elsewhere for more coin.

What I can buy into is Yang's contention that the technology coming down the pike will be devastating to the unskilled and/or highly repetitive workforce. Truck drivers, forklift operators, any number of jobs that can be replaced by artificial intelligence and/or robotics. It's coming. How fast? Not sure - but it's coming at an ever increasing speed. So now you have market forces at work that will drive the $25 jobs down to $22, down to $20, down to whatever the amortized cost per hour may be for a robot or a kiosk or a driverless thinking machine.....

That said (JBSucks), The Throbber could consider a reasonably long period of re-training income starting along the lines of UBI. The Throbber is fucking rich so he doesn't need a monthly $1000 that's just going to cycle right back out through his increased tax bill and/or VAT approach, because he buys really expensive toys for the G&R Compound. BUT, the Throbber can get behind giving people a handup over a handout (cliche alert) for, say, 3 years of re-training. And it must be in some emerging occupation not going back to school and getting some fucking medieval English literature degree.

And you'd only get ONE 3 year period of re-training allowance - it could even be stepped up the farther into the retraining program one achieved. Take your 3 year life-changing allowance whenever you want. But only one mulligan. That's it. None of this forever 'free' money.

Throbber2020 or at least during @YellowSnow's popularity contest poles.


Edit: Double the re-training allowance for those willing to enter rehab and submit to drug testing regularly. $$$ changes people's behaviors. Might as well get them fully clean and functional for their new cushy jobs at the same time.

WilburHooksHands

UWhuskytskeet said:

WilburHooksHands said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Old school UBI'ists view UBI as a moar better replacement for all of our bureaucratic welfare programs.

Yang does not view it as a "replacement" so it will never happen. Then again, it will never happen as a replacement either. Too many entrenched interests.

Yang does view it as a replacement for everything but SS and Vets benefits, not sure where youre seeing that.

It says he leaving those recipients with the choice of taking welfare or UBI. Even though most would take UBI, you'd still be leaving the layer of bureaucracy for the retards that stick with welfare.

The means to pay for the Freedom Dividend will come from 4 sources:

1. Current spending. We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.

Would be much cheaper to just remove that option.

Its a step in that direction and could ultimately lead to that policy. He’s trying to propose something that is a step in the right direction short term and hopefully ideal longterm. Yang has openly talked about his dislike of government bureaucracy.

WilburHooksHands

jecornel said:

His position is capitalism doesn't start at zero. It recognizes stay at home mother's work or stay at home Dad's. Provides some stability in transition.for teens. Help for shit people can't afford. Taking the proverbial boot off the throat.

I view it as Trump's wall in 16'. It's a differentiator?

His tax is a vat tax on goods which I'm not really a fan of another tax. Amazon doesn't really pay or FB. Hurts poorer people.

He has raised 250k plus in about 16 hours.

The costs would go up under a VAT tax, but as you know Yangs belief is that they wouldn’t do so in any way that would appreciably offset the dividend.

UWhuskytskeet

WilburHooksHands said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

WilburHooksHands said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Old school UBI'ists view UBI as a moar better replacement for all of our bureaucratic welfare programs.

Yang does not view it as a "replacement" so it will never happen. Then again, it will never happen as a replacement either. Too many entrenched interests.

Yang does view it as a replacement for everything but SS and Vets benefits, not sure where youre seeing that.

It says he leaving those recipients with the choice of taking welfare or UBI. Even though most would take UBI, you'd still be leaving the layer of bureaucracy for the retards that stick with welfare.

The means to pay for the Freedom Dividend will come from 4 sources:

1. Current spending. We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.

Would be much cheaper to just remove that option.

Its a step in that direction and could ultimately lead to that policy. He’s trying to propose something that is a step in the right direction short term and hopefully ideal longterm. Yang has openly talked about his dislike of government bureaucracy.

I've liked him for a while so I hope he continues to move that direction. Would be hard to get it to check out without doing that.

RaceBannon

Good stuff. I agree it separates him from the crowd which is smart

When I needed a hand out errrrrrr hand up i would have loved a grand a month and being able to skip the incredible bullshit required to get a couple hundred bucks of food stamps

There has to be a better way to deliver aid. This at least gets the discussion going


How fast would the establishment chew him up and spit him out? Fast I assume

BearsWiin

My two concerns with UBI are that it may have the unintended consequences of raising inflation and depressing wages

SFGbob

BearsWiin said:

My two concerns with UBI are that it may have the unintended consequences of raising inflation and depressing wages

What if the money you were getting was coming from your wife? Still concerned?

UW_Doog_Bot

BearsWiin said:

My two concerns with UBI are that it may have the unintended consequences of raising inflation and depressing wages

I mean, do you care about how current welfare systems do that?

BearsWiin

UW_Doog_Bot said:

BearsWiin said:

My two concerns with UBI are that it may have the unintended consequences of raising inflation and depressing wages

I mean, do you care about how current welfare systems do that?

Define current welfare systems, then I can ansewer you're querey

WestlinnDuck

The problem with UBI is that it will/would never be replacement for other welfare programs and combined with both the Chamber of Commerce and the leftards love of open borders you can imagine the attraction for an illegal family of 6 to get to the US for $72k a year plus free medical. Giving a meth head or heroin addict $1,000 is just stoking an out of control fire with gasoline and expecting a good result. Hell, if we let employees hire full time employees then at $10 an hour working 4 40 hour weeks a month gets you $1,600. And yet we hear that we need more illegals because $10 an hour jobs aren’t being filled. It shouldn’t be acceptable that able bodied US residents can collect a ton of money for Section 8 housing, Medicaid, free education, food stamps and obamaphones with no work requirements. Then toss in the massive fraud associated with the federal earned income tax credit.

WilburHooksHands

WestlinnDuck said:

The problem with UBI is that it will/would never be replacement for other welfare programs and combined with both the Chamber of Commerce and the leftards love of open borders you can imagine the attraction for an illegal family of 6 to get to the US for $72k a year plus free medical. Giving a meth head or heroin addict $1,000 is just stoking an out of control fire with gasoline and expecting a good result. Hell, if we let employees hire full time employees then at $10 an hour working 4 40 hour weeks a month gets you $1,600. And yet we hear that we need more illegals because $10 an hour jobs aren’t being filled. It shouldn’t be acceptable that able bodied US residents can collect a ton of money for Section 8 housing, Medicaid, free education, food stamps and obamaphones with no work requirements. Then toss in the massive fraud associated with the federal earned income tax credit.

PurpleThrobber

BearsWiin said:

My two concerns with UBI are that it may have the unintended consequences of raising inflation and depressing wages

The Throbber is already depressed about half the time.

Porn helps.

PurpleThrobber

WestlinnDuck said:

The problem with UBI is that it will/would never be replacement for other welfare programs and combined with both the Chamber of Commerce and the leftards love of open borders you can imagine the attraction for an illegal family of 6 to get to the US for $72k a year plus free medical. Giving a meth head or heroin addict $1,000 is just stoking an out of control fire with gasoline and expecting a good result. Hell, if we let employees hire full time employees then at $10 an hour working 4 40 hour weeks a month gets you $1,600. And yet we hear that we need more illegals because $10 an hour jobs aren’t being filled. It shouldn’t be acceptable that able bodied US residents can collect a ton of money for Section 8 housing, Medicaid, free education, food stamps and obamaphones with no work requirements. Then toss in the massive fraud associated with the federal earned income tax credit.

See my rant about tying to performance.

Pee in a bottle - $1500.

Don't pee in a bottle - $250.

#racistimsure