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Judge Nap ( or is it Nip) thinks HondoBros still have a shot.

MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
From Napolitano...

The Mueller Hearings... my thoughts:

1. What Republicans are missing when they complain about Mueller’s report - because it accuses Trump without providing him an avenue to refute it - and Democrats failed to exploit is that under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure the Mueller report was written for Barr; and Barr alone. It is Barr who published embarrassing allegations about Trump, not Mueller who did so.

2. Trump declined two opportunities to reply to these allegations - one in writing and one in person; perhaps (this is me, not Mueller) because Trump feared he’d lie to Mueller. We know his lawyers feared perjury because they said so on air.

3. Mueller was steadfast that (a) there were numerous conspiratorial acts (communications) between Russian intel and the Trump campaign, but not enough to prove a conspiracy, and (b) there were also numerous obstructive acts committed by Trump personally who attempted to interfere with the investigation for a corrupt purpose.

4. Hence, Mueller told Chairman Nadler, the President’s mantra of “No collusion. No obstruction. Complete exoneration” is simply untrue.

5. This is obviously Bob Mueller’s last hurrah. The Mueller Hearings...
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Comments

  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,419 Founders Club
    I let it play out. Trump is still a (politically gifted) wrecking ball, Jack ass. I moved on a long tim ago.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950

    I let it play out. Trump is still a (politically gifted) wrecking ball, Jack ass. I moved on a long tim ago.

    #metoo. Election is next year. As Arnold said, stop whining and get some votes.

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,840 Founders Club
    This was not a legitimate investigation

    Mueller was not a paragon of virtue

    The staff of Clinton operatives did the investigation

    Mueller was clueless

    There was no collusion or obstruction

    I don't care if you hate Trump. I hate his opponents more because they are far more dangerous to this country

    Trump won. Three years in and the Democrats are still crying about it

    They'll give the House back

    Peace and prosperity baby.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    This was not a legitimate investigation

    Mueller was not a paragon of virtue

    The staff of Clinton operatives did the investigation

    Mueller was clueless

    There was no collusion or obstruction

    I don't care if you hate Trump. I hate his opponents more because they are far more dangerous to this country

    Trump won. Three years in and the Democrats are still crying about it

    They'll give the House back

    Peace and prosperity baby.

    Meltdown.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,181 Standard Supporter

    This was not a legitimate investigation

    Mueller was not a paragon of virtue

    The staff of Clinton operatives did the investigation

    Mueller was clueless

    There was no collusion or obstruction

    I don't care if you hate Trump. I hate his opponents more because they are far more dangerous to this country

    Trump won. Three years in and the Democrats are still crying about it

    They'll give the House back

    Peace and prosperity baby.

    Elections have consequences, which is something lost on the Dems for the most part since the 60s. You can’t help the groups that you claim need protecting if you can’t first win elections at the state and federal level. The founders set it up this way for a reason.
    Absolute truth. Watch the local elections VERY carefully. The sleeping giant of the bell curve is right there.



  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,938 Founders Club

    I let it play out. Trump is still a (politically gifted) wrecking ball, Jack ass. I moved on a long tim ago.

    #metoo. Election is next year. As Obama said, stop whining and get some votes.
    When did Obama say that??

    At this point, I'm not convinced the left has a self reflective bone in their body.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    pawz said:

    I let it play out. Trump is still a (politically gifted) wrecking ball, Jack ass. I moved on a long tim ago.

    #metoo. Election is next year. As Obama said, stop whining and get some votes.
    When did Obama say that??

    At this point, I'm not convinced the left has a self reflective bone in their body.
    “"So I'd advise Mr. Trump to stop whining, and go make his case to get votes," the president said strongly.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/14/obama_trump_stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,938 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    I let it play out. Trump is still a (politically gifted) wrecking ball, Jack ass. I moved on a long tim ago.

    #metoo. Election is next year. As Obama said, stop whining and get some votes.
    When did Obama say that??

    At this point, I'm not convinced the left has a self reflective bone in their body.
    “"So I'd advise Mr. Trump to stop whining, and go make his case to get votes," the president said strongly.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/14/obama_trump_stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html
    Obviously. He wasn't talking about himself.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,181 Standard Supporter

    pawz said:

    I let it play out. Trump is still a (politically gifted) wrecking ball, Jack ass. I moved on a long tim ago.

    #metoo. Election is next year. As Obama said, stop whining and get some votes.
    When did Obama say that??

    At this point, I'm not convinced the left has a self reflective bone in their body.
    “"So I'd advise Mr. Trump to stop whining, and go make his case to get votes," the president said strongly.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/14/obama_trump_stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html
    I believe it was either the prolifically gifted technical writer Derek Johnson or the esteemed philosopher Rick of Neuheisel who said it best:

    Scoreboard, baby.

  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,419 Founders Club

    This was not a legitimate investigation

    Mueller was not a paragon of virtue

    The staff of Clinton operatives did the investigation

    Mueller was clueless

    There was no collusion or obstruction

    I don't care if you hate Trump. I hate his opponents more because they are far more dangerous to this country

    Trump won. Three years in and the Democrats are still crying about it

    They'll give the House back

    Peace and prosperity baby.

    Elections have consequences, which is something lost on the Dems for the most part since the 60s. You can’t help the groups that you claim need protecting if you can’t first win elections at the state and federal level. The founders set it up this way for a reason.
    People forget that Obama made that statement, "Elections have consequences", and then went on to impose those consequences on the country. The subsequent electoral reaction was the lowest percentage of state, local, and national offices held by democrats since the 1920's.
    Obama was a disaster for the Democratic party in Congress and State Houses; on that we can all agree. But Trump took a beating too in his first mid-term. Obama still cruised to reelection. Trump 2020 is a coin flip.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,325 Standard Supporter
    There was no evidence of collusion or obstruction. Feel free to cite some. The whole investigation was illegitimate. Every winning party campaign has contacts with major allies and enemies. Mueller's studied ignorance of the real collusion with the Russians is the actual story. One you leftards could give a sh*t about. One could ask why, but that would be a rhetorical question.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    If you were really looking into Russian interference why would you completely ignore the very real possibility that the Russians were feeding Steel disinformation, that he then used to undermine Trump? Why would you complete ignore the origins of that?

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    edited July 2019
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,297 Founders Club

    This was not a legitimate investigation

    Mueller was not a paragon of virtue

    The staff of Clinton operatives did the investigation

    Mueller was clueless

    There was no collusion or obstruction

    I don't care if you hate Trump. I hate his opponents more because they are far more dangerous to this country

    Trump won. Three years in and the Democrats are still crying about it

    They'll give the House back

    Peace and prosperity baby.

    Elections have consequences, which is something lost on the Dems for the most part since the 60s. You can’t help the groups that you claim need protecting if you can’t first win elections at the state and federal level. The founders set it up this way for a reason.
    People forget that Obama made that statement, "Elections have consequences", and then went on to impose those consequences on the country. The subsequent electoral reaction was the lowest percentage of state, local, and national offices held by democrats since the 1920's.
    Obama was a disaster for the Democratic party in Congress and State Houses; on that we can all agree. But Trump took a beating too in his first mid-term. Obama still cruised to reelection. Trump 2020 is a coin flip.
    Your initial thesis was that "Elections have consequences" is something lost on Dems. It's not lost on them, they regularly impose those consequences. That debacle we saw yesterday was the result of congressional democrats imposing the consequences of their elections, and Obama did the same in slamming Obamacare down our throats, to go along with his historic use of executive orders to regulate and circumvent the legislative branch.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    This was not a legitimate investigation

    Mueller was not a paragon of virtue

    The staff of Clinton operatives did the investigation

    Mueller was clueless

    There was no collusion or obstruction

    I don't care if you hate Trump. I hate his opponents more because they are far more dangerous to this country

    Trump won. Three years in and the Democrats are still crying about it

    They'll give the House back

    Peace and prosperity baby.

    Elections have consequences, which is something lost on the Dems for the most part since the 60s. You can’t help the groups that you claim need protecting if you can’t first win elections at the state and federal level. The founders set it up this way for a reason.
    People forget that Obama made that statement, "Elections have consequences", and then went on to impose those consequences on the country. The subsequent electoral reaction was the lowest percentage of state, local, and national offices held by democrats since the 1920's.
    Obama was a disaster for the Democratic party in Congress and State Houses; on that we can all agree. But Trump took a beating too in his first mid-term. Obama still cruised to reelection. Trump 2020 is a coin flip.
    Your initial thesis was that "Elections have consequences" is something lost on Dems. It's not lost on them, they regularly impose those consequences. That debacle we saw yesterday was the result of congressional democrats imposing the consequences of their elections, and Obama did the same in slamming Obamacare down our throats, to go along with his historic use of executive orders to regulate and circumvent the legislative branch.
    JFC
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