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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    I don't think it's bullshit, the defense played better and more consistently last year. But he has been over hyped for sure.

    The WSU and Boise losses stemmed from one man: Sark

    Wilcox deserves a ton of shit for blowing the 18 point lead in the Apple Cup.
  • Passion
    Passion Member Posts: 4,622
    edited March 2013
    The collapses under Sark (boise state and wsu, for example) are caused by a lack of consistency. Sark's teams cannot play consistently from one week (or one year) to the next. Whether it's his QB or his defense, you never know what you're going to get. And what is the foundation of consistency?

    Discipline...something that Sark does not instill.

    Look, perhaps I am too much of an optimist, but I actually am hopeful that Sark can turn this program (and himself) into a winner. That doesn't mean hope = you get to keep your job. I need proof (i.e., winning). IMO, my "hope" runs out at the end of 2013.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,167 Founders Club

    until we beat a spread team, our defense and defensive staff are fucking terrible IMO.

    does anyone here know if Idaho State runs the spread?

  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,167 Founders Club

    I don't think it's bullshit, the defense played better and more consistently last year. But he has been over hyped for sure.

    The WSU and Boise losses stemmed from one man: Sark

    Wilcox deserves a ton of shit for blowing the 18 point lead in the Apple Cup.
    Absolutely. But when you look at Keith Price smiling at the coin flip, the softness of the team in the fourth quarter of the WSU and Boise games, the image of our guys doing the Lawn Mower, that all stems from the top-- Sark.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited March 2013

    I don't think it's bullshit, the defense played better and more consistently last year. But he has been over hyped for sure.

    The WSU and Boise losses stemmed from one man: Sark

    Wilcox deserves a ton of shit for blowing the 18 point lead in the Apple Cup.
    Absolutely. But when you look at Keith Price smiling at the coin flip, the softness of the team in the fourth quarter of the WSU and Boise games, the image of our guys doing the Lawn Mower, that all stems from the top-- Sark.
    I'm hoping they replace the Lawn Mower with the Dougie. Change it up a bit.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,167 Founders Club

    I don't think it's bullshit, the defense played better and more consistently last year. But he has been over hyped for sure.

    The WSU and Boise losses stemmed from one man: Sark

    Wilcox deserves a ton of shit for blowing the 18 point lead in the Apple Cup.
    Absolutely. But when you look at Keith Price smiling at the coin flip, the softness of the team in the fourth quarter of the WSU and Boise games, the image of our guys doing the Lawn Mower, that all stems from the top-- Sark.
    I'm hoping they replace the Lawn Mower with the Dougie. Change it up a bit.
    I'm hearing they've been practicing the Harlem Shake
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,359 Founders Club

    They way Wilcox's defense ended the year, I'm thinking the hype around him is also bullshit. The Apple Cup was simply bad coaching all the way around. From Sark, to Wilcox, to the lawnmower cheer guy..plain bad coaching. And the Baylor game wasn't much better.

    Wilcox should have been fired after the Baylor game.

    They way Wilcox's defense ended the year, I'm thinking the hype around him is also bullshit. The Apple Cup was simply bad coaching all the way around. From Sark, to Wilcox, to the lawnmower cheer guy..plain bad coaching. And the Baylor game wasn't much better.

    Wilcox should have been fired after the Baylor game.


    I meant Boise smart ass.
    Easy mistake. Swinging at Wilcox is warranted. Missing and hitting FUCLA vs Baylor isn't too far off target though. Baylor knocked the shit out of them. Bottom line, PAC12 defenses are not much to write home about.
  • ACSlaterDawg
    ACSlaterDawg Member Posts: 200
    Wilcox isn't perfect but he's damn good. The guy has a strong track record at multiple schools and Texas tried to hire him two years ago. It's fucking Texas. The defense went from 106th to 31st or whatever it was. Up until the last two games it held 7 teams under 20 points, plus USC technically because their offense only scored 17. Yes WSU rallied late but it was the defense that accounted for most of our points. Arizona game? Well genius Sark tried to pass all over a team that had a high school run defense. You think the defense gives up 50 if we run Sankey 35 times and control the clock? (BTW, UCLA gave up 28ppg last year, we gave up 24ppg).

    Also a few days ago I read something and I think it mentioned that Wilcox is very strict and detail oriented in his practices. He's clearly a 180 from Sark.

    The D coaches are quite good. And Sirmon and Tosh are great recruiters. They immediately bolstered the 2012 class which was basically average before they showed up. Tosh brought in a strong D-line class this year and the LB's also look good. The problem is 7-6 is holding them back.

    I know its not the company line but everything doesn't suck about the program. New stadium and strong d coaches are big strengthes. Nuss was hired at Alabama. Do you think the offense would have been better last year with Nuss there?

    90% of the problem is Sark.

  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,167 Founders Club
    edited March 2013
    I don't think anyone here thinks that we're a 3-8 program right now. I think what bothers most of us is that UW is not putting its best foot forward. That we're doomed to win 5-8 games a year in perpetuity.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited March 2013
    "Sirmon and Tosh are great recruiters"

    Does everyone say so?

    I don't think Wilcox sucks, but I'm not ready to heap as much praise as you. Saying that Texas wanted him isn't proof. Did you know Sark rebuffed several teams this year? You're making a lot of the same arguments for Wilcox that doogs make for Sark. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. And as always, let it play out.