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It’s failed even before it’s announced. Just like every other trump “deal.” I’m sorry that this makes you upset.RaceBannon said:
Why are you declaring failure over something that hasn't been announced?CirrhosisDawg said:
If only anyone could govern. That would be great.RaceBannon said:Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
Where is your party on any of this? Playing to simpletons like you that are Trump Deranged
That's where -
As student of history, I am much more concerned with whether or not a particular regime was totalitarian or not.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is kind of where you run into the limitation of even the political compass as a tool to locate people imo. Are the authoritarians wearing business suits or military uniforms? Does it even really matter? If the economy is in the hands of a few powerful people supported by the government then we aren't talking anything on the "right" of the economic spectrum even if they are technically in the "private sector". *shrug, it's mostly the semantics of political taxonomy.YellowSnow said:
Furthermore, the party evolved over time. Ernst Rohm and the SA wing of the party was more radical and left on economis as I recall, but that element was purged in 1934 with the Night of the Long Knives. Ultimately, to consolidate power, Hitler needed to have the backing of both the conservative business leader in Germany, and, of course, the Army. Rohm was seen as a threat to both and got whacked as a result. Plus he liked to diddle the young teen boi recruits.UW_Doog_Bot said:
National Socialists were an alternative to communists and neither as far right or as far left as both sides like to portray so their chosen team doesn't include the "bad guys". They were a "middle road" of socialism which was reaction-arily nationalist compared to the "workers of the world unite" of the far left. Some people classify them as "center-right" on the economic spectrum but I would argue(obviously from an economic freedom perspective) that they are center-left. The Nazis resembled the Commies economically more than they resembled us? or someone like Pinochet(the example of far right authoritarianism) Obviously, on the authoritarian spectrum they are about as up there as possible. Plenty of Nazi era propaganda resembles current DemSoc arguments about the need to "restrain" the free market for the good of the people and the state acting as a benevolent intermediary between market forces and the people. The CCP in China is probably the closest current regime in the world to the Nazi political spectrum location, limited free markets & state sponsored industries with high levels of authoritarianism/nationalism.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalism and private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were probably some real socialists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
Link?CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s failed even before it’s announced. Just like every other trump “deal.” I’m sorry that this makes you upset.RaceBannon said:
Why are you declaring failure over something that hasn't been announced?CirrhosisDawg said:
If only anyone could govern. That would be great.RaceBannon said:Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
Where is your party on any of this? Playing to simpletons like you that are Trump Deranged
That's where
That's what I thought
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EverySingleNewsOutletInTheWorld.comRaceBannon said:
Link?CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s failed even before it’s announced. Just like every other trump “deal.” I’m sorry that this makes you upset.RaceBannon said:
Why are you declaring failure over something that hasn't been announced?CirrhosisDawg said:
If only anyone could govern. That would be great.RaceBannon said:Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
Where is your party on any of this? Playing to simpletons like you that are Trump Deranged
That's where
That's what I thought
Deranged and angry
I’m just the messenger race. The trump-Kushner “peace” deal is by far the biggest trump embarrassment — and that’s an achievement unto itself. It’s an international joke.
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Link?CirrhosisDawg said:
EverySingleNewsOutletInTheWorld.comRaceBannon said:
Link?CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s failed even before it’s announced. Just like every other trump “deal.” I’m sorry that this makes you upset.RaceBannon said:
Why are you declaring failure over something that hasn't been announced?CirrhosisDawg said:
If only anyone could govern. That would be great.RaceBannon said:Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
Where is your party on any of this? Playing to simpletons like you that are Trump Deranged
That's where
That's what I thought
Deranged and angry
I’m just the messenger race. The trump-Kushner “peace” deal is by far the biggest trump embarrassment — and that’s an achievement unto itself. It’s an international joke.
Better luck next time?
The deranged angry white payday loan expert is melting down bigly -
Nazi's caked themselves socialists. All socialists/communist regimes are totalitarian. The difference between the Nazi's and say China is the Nazi's didn't Serbs a bill to your family for the bullet they executed you with if you didn't agree with them.
Break that Shit or you'll find many Americans will use the 4th type of voting. -
Not sure if this stage 1 or 2 of grief.RaceBannon said:
Link?CirrhosisDawg said:
EverySingleNewsOutletInTheWorld.comRaceBannon said:
Link?CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s failed even before it’s announced. Just like every other trump “deal.” I’m sorry that this makes you upset.RaceBannon said:
Why are you declaring failure over something that hasn't been announced?CirrhosisDawg said:
If only anyone could govern. That would be great.RaceBannon said:Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
Where is your party on any of this? Playing to simpletons like you that are Trump Deranged
That's where
That's what I thought
Deranged and angry
I’m just the messenger race. The trump-Kushner “peace” deal is by far the biggest trump embarrassment — and that’s an achievement unto itself. It’s an international joke.
Better luck next time?
The deranged angry white payday loan expert is melting down bigly
Regardless: Abundance!
Don’t worry Race, your stage 5 of acceptance is coming this week. -
It was the conservatives who entered into a coalition government with the Nazis in 1933. Kinda like Daddy doing a hostile takeover of the GOP in 2016 and neutering the Republican so-called "conservatives".SFGbob said:
Sorry O'Keefed, the NAZIs weren't Conservatives what they wanted to do was radical and extreme and no amount of chicken fucking on your part no matter what the frequency is going to change that fact.HHusky said:
Make Germany Great Again! wasn't a conservative movement, according to blob.SFGbob said:
There were strains of Socialism in pretty much all of European Fascism. The Italian Fascist as well as the German Fascists both believed in central planning, heavy state subsidies, high government spending, massive social welfare programs, yes they rejected Communism but they didn't reject Socialism. The one thing for certain is that they weren't capitalists and they definitely weren't conservatives.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalismand private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were true nationalists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany.
Conservatives do not support central planning and massive social welfare programs and state subsidies and high government spending. But you know who does? People on your side of the aisle O'Keefed. -
Conservative Nazi's. Who'd a thunk it? Were firearms involved?HHusky said:
It was the conservatives who entered into a coalition government with the Nazis in 1933. Kinda like Daddy doing a hostile takeover of the GOP in 2016 and neutering the Republican so-called "conservatives".SFGbob said:
Sorry O'Keefed, the NAZIs weren't Conservatives what they wanted to do was radical and extreme and no amount of chicken fucking on your part no matter what the frequency is going to change that fact.HHusky said:
Make Germany Great Again! wasn't a conservative movement, according to blob.SFGbob said:
There were strains of Socialism in pretty much all of European Fascism. The Italian Fascist as well as the German Fascists both believed in central planning, heavy state subsidies, high government spending, massive social welfare programs, yes they rejected Communism but they didn't reject Socialism. The one thing for certain is that they weren't capitalists and they definitely weren't conservatives.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalismand private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were true nationalists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany.
Conservatives do not support central planning and massive social welfare programs and state subsidies and high government spending. But you know who does? People on your side of the aisle O'Keefed. -
You might find this an interesting article. https://mises.org/library/nazi-economic-policycreepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalism and private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were probably some real socialists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany.
