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247 has been getting coaches and scouts to give anonymous thoughts on each Pac-12 teams. Here is UW's:
"Chris Petersen is my favorite coach to be around. I love the way he handles business. Not a lot of outside distractions. He just grinds. He and his staff are all about putting in the work and getting better every day. Every staff in the country will tell you that and there's a few that mean it, well, Washington is one of the ones that means it. They just get after it. They make sure things are taken care of in the classroom, helping their guys understand the importance of having a good character and also making sure they are getting it done on the field. I always laugh when people say the 'OKG' thing means they're good citizens and just okay players. He wants elite people and elite players. That's what 'OKG' means to him. This other crap about it being elitist or whatever is just stupid."
"Their QB situation is worse than I expected it to be. In the practices I saw (one closed scrimmage and four regular practices) Jacob Eason didn't look good at all. He was late on his throws, he looked like he'd lost confidence. Is that because of the coaching or has he lost his edge? He needs to play with an edge. He didn't have it when I watched him. He didn't look like 'the savior'. A big thing that hurt the quarterbacks during the spring was missing so many receivers and the guys they had weren't really getting separation. One guy I like a lot is Austin Osborne. He's strong and faster than you think. The coaches loved his progress and I'd bet he plays a lot this year. Junior Adams should do a lot of good for that group this season. He's a solid coach who really focuses on the fundamentals. He also really coaches them on everything -- blocking, route-running, blitz recognition -- I mean, he's a really good coach. Great pickup for them."
"Losing (Myles) Gaskin hurts, but they feel like they have the guys to make up for that loss. (Salvon) Ahmed is a blazer, but he's not shifty at all. He can't make people miss, but he'll outrun you all day long. The guy I think the coaches really like a lot is Richard Newton. If he keeps working and stays healthy, he could be the next great tailback out of there."
"Their offensive line is good, but not great. I think there's some really nice individual pieces, but I saw too many breakdowns in practices and most of them were the same as what we saw in games. I like Scott Huff, so I think he can get it done, but we'll have to wait and see. I think they should be better than they're playing. They dominate teams they are better than, but when it comes to teams that are as talented or more talented, they struggle some. Nick Harris is a great leader for them. He's one of the most technically-sound linemen I've seen this year and I've been to schools from all over this spring."
"Their defense took some hits after the season due to graduation or early entry (into the NFL Draft), but talking to the coaches, they're pretty excited about their younger guys. Losing (Greg) Gaines hurts because he was the guy who made everyone better. He took up so many blockers and caused so many problems up front, it allowed the other guys to make plays. They need to find a guy who can replace him. They feel like they have some guys that can do that, but they are young and pretty inexperienced. I'll be shocked if (Levi Onwuzurike) sticks around after this year. When he's on, he's the best d-linemen in the conference and would be right up there with any guy from the SEC or Big 10. He's special."
"Every year, you think their secondary is going to take a hit with graduation and losing guys to the NFL and every year, they seem to just plug in guys and get the most out of them. Right now, I don't think there's a better secondary coach in the nation than Jimmy Lake. He just gets the most out of his guys. They fit perfectly in the system they run there. Their DBs have excellent size. I was talking with one of the coaches and he just sorta laughed and said the guys they redshirted last season, they probably would have played almost anywhere else, but at Washington, they redshirted. They are just so deep there. The guy that makes that thing go is Myles Bryant. I know he's not the biggest guy, but he plays with an edge, an attitude and I think the other guys feed off of that. Sorta like they did off of Kevin King when he was there. I love Keith Taylor, but, for my money, their best cover guy is (Elijah) Molden. He just 'gets it'. He reads things so well. I'm excited to see what he can do this season as the starter. He's had to wait his turn. Now it's his chance. They love that (Cam) Williams kid. They think he'll be special. (Lake and Will Harris) said they don't think he'll redshirt this season. In that secondary, if you don't redshirt, you're pretty damn good."
"They need pass-rushers. They haven't had a good one since (Hauoli) Kikaha graduated. They need a guy who can be a threat off the edge every play. They like Joe Tryon a lot, but I don't think he's as explosive off the edge as they really need, especially in the Pac 12 where you have quarterbacks getting the ball out so quickly. He'll be a five or six sack a season guy, but you'd like them to find someone who can be a double-digit sack guy who can also get the the quarterback to move off of his spot. I think they'll blitz more this season. I think they feel like this set of linebackers is better suited to blitz and get home (for a sack or hit on the quarterback) than last year's group was. I guess we'll see. They are sound fundamentally. Bob Gregory is one of the best linebacker coaches I've been around. He's tough on his players, but they respond."
"To me, this is still the team to beat in the conference. Until someone knocks them off, I just don't think I see anyone better than them. The biggest key will be getting Eason to live up to his hype. If he does that, they should be in the Playoffs, but if he doesn't, it could be a long season. I still think, even with average to below-average QB play, they will be a bowl team because they're talented enough and their schedule is (soft enough) to get them eight wins regardless, but Petersen and the staff there have them focused on more. All I heard when I was there was about improving every day. They weren't talking championships or winning or whatever. From my experience, the teams that know they are good don't focus on winning, they focus on getting better and competing every day. That's where Petersen has this program. Washington being good is important for the Pac 12 and luckily they have one of the best coaches in the country leading the way."
"Chris Petersen is my favorite coach to be around. I love the way he handles business. Not a lot of outside distractions. He just grinds. He and his staff are all about putting in the work and getting better every day. Every staff in the country will tell you that and there's a few that mean it, well, Washington is one of the ones that means it. They just get after it. They make sure things are taken care of in the classroom, helping their guys understand the importance of having a good character and also making sure they are getting it done on the field. I always laugh when people say the 'OKG' thing means they're good citizens and just okay players. He wants elite people and elite players. That's what 'OKG' means to him. This other crap about it being elitist or whatever is just stupid."
"Their QB situation is worse than I expected it to be. In the practices I saw (one closed scrimmage and four regular practices) Jacob Eason didn't look good at all. He was late on his throws, he looked like he'd lost confidence. Is that because of the coaching or has he lost his edge? He needs to play with an edge. He didn't have it when I watched him. He didn't look like 'the savior'. A big thing that hurt the quarterbacks during the spring was missing so many receivers and the guys they had weren't really getting separation. One guy I like a lot is Austin Osborne. He's strong and faster than you think. The coaches loved his progress and I'd bet he plays a lot this year. Junior Adams should do a lot of good for that group this season. He's a solid coach who really focuses on the fundamentals. He also really coaches them on everything -- blocking, route-running, blitz recognition -- I mean, he's a really good coach. Great pickup for them."
"Losing (Myles) Gaskin hurts, but they feel like they have the guys to make up for that loss. (Salvon) Ahmed is a blazer, but he's not shifty at all. He can't make people miss, but he'll outrun you all day long. The guy I think the coaches really like a lot is Richard Newton. If he keeps working and stays healthy, he could be the next great tailback out of there."
"Their offensive line is good, but not great. I think there's some really nice individual pieces, but I saw too many breakdowns in practices and most of them were the same as what we saw in games. I like Scott Huff, so I think he can get it done, but we'll have to wait and see. I think they should be better than they're playing. They dominate teams they are better than, but when it comes to teams that are as talented or more talented, they struggle some. Nick Harris is a great leader for them. He's one of the most technically-sound linemen I've seen this year and I've been to schools from all over this spring."
"Their defense took some hits after the season due to graduation or early entry (into the NFL Draft), but talking to the coaches, they're pretty excited about their younger guys. Losing (Greg) Gaines hurts because he was the guy who made everyone better. He took up so many blockers and caused so many problems up front, it allowed the other guys to make plays. They need to find a guy who can replace him. They feel like they have some guys that can do that, but they are young and pretty inexperienced. I'll be shocked if (Levi Onwuzurike) sticks around after this year. When he's on, he's the best d-linemen in the conference and would be right up there with any guy from the SEC or Big 10. He's special."
"Every year, you think their secondary is going to take a hit with graduation and losing guys to the NFL and every year, they seem to just plug in guys and get the most out of them. Right now, I don't think there's a better secondary coach in the nation than Jimmy Lake. He just gets the most out of his guys. They fit perfectly in the system they run there. Their DBs have excellent size. I was talking with one of the coaches and he just sorta laughed and said the guys they redshirted last season, they probably would have played almost anywhere else, but at Washington, they redshirted. They are just so deep there. The guy that makes that thing go is Myles Bryant. I know he's not the biggest guy, but he plays with an edge, an attitude and I think the other guys feed off of that. Sorta like they did off of Kevin King when he was there. I love Keith Taylor, but, for my money, their best cover guy is (Elijah) Molden. He just 'gets it'. He reads things so well. I'm excited to see what he can do this season as the starter. He's had to wait his turn. Now it's his chance. They love that (Cam) Williams kid. They think he'll be special. (Lake and Will Harris) said they don't think he'll redshirt this season. In that secondary, if you don't redshirt, you're pretty damn good."
"They need pass-rushers. They haven't had a good one since (Hauoli) Kikaha graduated. They need a guy who can be a threat off the edge every play. They like Joe Tryon a lot, but I don't think he's as explosive off the edge as they really need, especially in the Pac 12 where you have quarterbacks getting the ball out so quickly. He'll be a five or six sack a season guy, but you'd like them to find someone who can be a double-digit sack guy who can also get the the quarterback to move off of his spot. I think they'll blitz more this season. I think they feel like this set of linebackers is better suited to blitz and get home (for a sack or hit on the quarterback) than last year's group was. I guess we'll see. They are sound fundamentally. Bob Gregory is one of the best linebacker coaches I've been around. He's tough on his players, but they respond."
"To me, this is still the team to beat in the conference. Until someone knocks them off, I just don't think I see anyone better than them. The biggest key will be getting Eason to live up to his hype. If he does that, they should be in the Playoffs, but if he doesn't, it could be a long season. I still think, even with average to below-average QB play, they will be a bowl team because they're talented enough and their schedule is (soft enough) to get them eight wins regardless, but Petersen and the staff there have them focused on more. All I heard when I was there was about improving every day. They weren't talking championships or winning or whatever. From my experience, the teams that know they are good don't focus on winning, they focus on getting better and competing every day. That's where Petersen has this program. Washington being good is important for the Pac 12 and luckily they have one of the best coaches in the country leading the way."
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I guess because it seems to be mainly from scouts whereas usually they get other coaches' opinions.
#mymolden gonna breakout this year.
Everything isn't a grind. If you're good at your job get it done then smoke weed and fuck co eds like Pete Carroll at USC
Have some fun Chris!
I always laugh when people say the 'OKG' thing means they're good citizens and just okay players. He wants elite people and elite players. That's what 'OKG' means to him. This other crap about it being elitist or whatever is just stupid."
This is what happens when you allow others to potentially narrate the story or messaging for you. It would seem to me that UW Football could be more direct on what Built For Life and OKG means and direct the message. The scout is absolutely correct that there's nothing about OKG that is elitist, etc.
Their QB situation is worse than I expected it to be. In the practices I saw (one closed scrimmage and four regular practices) Jacob Eason didn't look good at all. He was late on his throws, he looked like he'd lost confidence. Is that because of the coaching or has he lost his edge?
Eason aside, I really do agree. Haener is a turnover machine at this point until he proves he isn't. Sirmon has a bigger upside than anybody else on the roster but he's still super raw. Eason obviously has the ability but he needs reps ... it's the point that DDY was making back in Spring that resonates the most because when you haven't taken live reps for close to 2 years it's hard to expect someone to be super sharp. I think that this was some of the thinking behind having the QBs being live during the Spring Scrimmage ... I was shocked when I saw that. Also the point that followed later about so many WR injuries in the upper ranks didn't help and likely resulted in a lot of either check downs (what I saw during the Spring Scrimmage) or forcing balls down the field.
One thing to keep in mind is that practicing against our defense can make decent offenses look like dog shit and from what I saw from the defense this defense has more talent behind it than any to date. Going back to 2016, I remember looking at the offense and thinking that the offense was really, really in trouble. Then you get to the first handful of games during the year and you realize pretty quickly that against "normal" defenses the offense was just fine.
This is full LIPO for me until Fall ... but you really would like to Eason step up early in the Fall camp and show that the job is his and leave no doubt about it.
One guy I like a lot is Austin Osborne. He's strong and faster than you think. The coaches loved his progress and I'd bet he plays a lot this year.
I agree with this take a lot. One of the byproducts of having the top WRs out was that it gave valuable reps for younger WRs to go against top end DBs and see where they are in their development. Worst case, Osborne's going to be a valuable possession WR this year. Best case is that he takes a step forward and pushes Ty Jones.
The guy I think the coaches really like a lot is Richard Newton.
If the season started today, I really do think that there's a good chance that Dick Newton gets the backup RB reps. Pleasant runs well but seems more of a 2nd back in a 2 back set with his versatility. McGrew seems more of the passing option in a 2-minute drill type of situation. From what I saw in Spring, Newton's a little better than JAG at this point. Really want to see what Cam Davis does once he gets on campus. I don't feel like this position is really settled at the moment.
BTW, the Ahmed "he's just a straight line runner" is a load of crap. He was a lot more patient this Spring than I've seen in the past. He will still be in a spot where he outruns everybody if he gets into the open. But the real growth in him will be developing what made Myles so special in that he always got 1-3 yards more than he should have on those runs between the tackles that didn't look like they were going anywhere.
I think they should be better than they're playing. They dominate teams they are better than, but when it comes to teams that are as talented or more talented, they struggle some.
At this point, it's a fair criticism but I'm not 100% sure that I agree with it as being a massive Huff issue. Kaleb's best football is ahead of him and he was a mauler in the run but there were some pass protection issues at times. Nick Harris is going to be an all conference center but there were some issues his first 2 years due to size and playing probably a bit out of position. Kirkland will be a good one but was a tad young last year. Watty is probably an average guy in terms of what we've been recruiting since Huff's come in. Hilbers fits the same bill. Trey it's a health thing. So yeah, up until now I think we've got good players but not massively high end players. I suspect that you'll start seeing in 2-3 years the quality of our OL in the draft go up significantly. We've leveled up massively here and continue to do so.
I'll be shocked if (Levi Onwuzurike) sticks around after this year. When he's on, he's the best d-linemen in the conference and would be right up there with any guy from the SEC or Big 10. He's special."
I agree with this 100%. If all the pieces come together for Levi, and I suspect that they will this year, he's going to be an absolute terror.
"Every year, you think their secondary is going to take a hit with graduation and losing guys to the NFL and every year, they seem to just plug in guys and get the most out of them. Right now, I don't think there's a better secondary coach in the nation than Jimmy Lake. He just gets the most out of his guys. They fit perfectly in the system they run there. Their DBs have excellent size. I was talking with one of the coaches and he just sorta laughed and said the guys they redshirted last season, they probably would have played almost anywhere else, but at Washington, they redshirted. They are just so deep there. The guy that makes that thing go is Myles Bryant. I know he's not the biggest guy, but he plays with an edge, an attitude and I think the other guys feed off of that. Sorta like they did off of Kevin King when he was there. I love Keith Taylor, but, for my money, their best cover guy is (Elijah) Molden. He just 'gets it'. He reads things so well. I'm excited to see what he can do this season as the starter. He's had to wait his turn. Now it's his chance. They love that (Cam) Williams kid. They think he'll be special. (Lake and Will Harris) said they don't think he'll redshirt this season. In that secondary, if you don't redshirt, you're pretty damn good."
Jimmy's great obviously and those in the know recognize it. Nice to see that Will Harris is starting to get mentioned with Lake when it comes to the secondary. Important going forward that Harris is building out his niche as well to help give him creedence from a recruiting standpoint. What's so interesting here is the idea that we know what we want when we are recruiting and we recruit to what we want. That's really important to me. So important to get the right fits for me. Myles really does have an edge to him that we definitely need more in the program. He will be playing on Sunday. The overall quality is just laughable. And agreed in that you can just see that Cam Williams has that IT quality that separates the good from the great ones.
They need a guy who can be a threat off the edge every play. They like Joe Tryon a lot, but I don't think he's as explosive off the edge as they really need,
This will be arguably the biggest question mark heading into the season for me, at least defensively. If Tryon can take a step forward and get up to the 8-10 sack range this defense will be beyond scary. I'm not sure Tryon has the same ceiling that a guy like Latu has, but he's way more talented than anybody that we've had at least since Mathis.
They are sound fundamentally. Bob Gregory is one of the best linebacker coaches I've been around. He's tough on his players, but they respond."
When I read this I pictured the pledge scene in Animal House when they flashed the picture of Kent Dorfman. I think it's really important to separate Gregory the coach and Gregory the recruiter. Anybody that thinks that Gregory can't coach is full of it. The question is fully on Gregory the recruiter.
The biggest key will be getting Eason to live up to his hype. If he does that, they should be in the Playoffs, but if he doesn't, it could be a long season.
This really is the nuts and bolts of it. If Eason plays well and Bush advances as an offensive coordinator, then the Playoffs isn't just a pipe dream but a high likelihood. If Eason struggles though then I think you're looking at another year of grumblings about Pete, the offensive system, and potentially another change in coordinators. I'd bet on Eason figuring things out but there's obviously the "prove it" factor for both Eason and Bush. Until they do, it's the weight that can drag the program under the Vegas win totals.
We've had average to below average QB play the past 2 years and still have played in 2 straight NY6 games.
If he can't play QB in the P12...Hamdan is the worst coordinator in all of football.
This really is the nuts and bolts of it. If Eason plays well and Bush advances as an offensive coordinator, then the Playoffs isn't just a pipe dream but a high likelihood. If Eason struggles though then I think you're looking at another year of grumblings about Pete, the offensive system, and potentially another change in coordinators. I'd bet on Eason figuring things out but there's obviously the "prove it" factor for both Eason and Bush. Until they do, it's the weight that can drag the program under the Vegas win totals.
We went to back to back NY6 Bowls w/ a QB that threw 19 & 16 TD Passes. If Eason can give us 25 we will go undefeated. If everything clicks and he goes for 30-35+ TD's we will win a playoff game. To me Teq, it is all about the Red Zone. We have had no problem moving the ball in between the 20's but the RZ is a different story. This is where Bryant/Jones/Spiker/Osborne I think will be the difference w/ Eason.
Eason and Osborne are going to find each other this season and it's going to be magic.
Eason is rusty. It's to be expected. He's going to shake it off as we? buttfuck Eastern, throw his big dick back over his shoulder, and drive this bus like that drunken fucker Browning never could through the rest of the season.
Charging. Maximum doog is just around the corner.
I think the biggest difference between Eason and Browning is just the fact that Eason can stretch the field much more effectively and that should break more big plays.
To your point on the red zone, the hope and expectation would be that Eason will be able to make throws into tight windows that Browning could only dream of making against elite athletes.
I think Tryon gets double digit sacks rather easily. I disagree with Teq about his ceiling. Hes a 6'5" wide receiver who put on Like 40 pounds of muscle and still looks and moves like a wr. He doesn't have a ceiling.
Eason gets the preseason to get his cofidance going. He'll be fine. The Cal game is the big tester though. If UW mops the floor with them, and Eason goes something like 18/25 with a lot of check downs but a long TD or two thrown in, playoffs are in the picture. If that game is a struggle then a hard fought 10-2 and shot at another premium bowl are best case.
Until Pete and Bush can prove they can run an intimidating offense, they cant
Now he sucks? JFC