Ask not what you can do for your country - ask what your country can do for you

greenblood

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Sledog said:

greenblood said:

The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund

I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.

To the extent that there has been any attempt to curb spending on retiree entitlement programs it's all come from the GOP. There are no Rats who are trying curb the rate of growth let alone cut the spending on entitlements.

Dem's will fight against. They'd be stupid not to welcome the majority of American's retirees into their voting rolls.

SFGbob

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Sledog said:

greenblood said:

The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund

I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.

To the extent that there has been any attempt to curb spending on retiree entitlement programs it's all come from the GOP. There are no Rats who are trying curb the rate of growth let alone cut the spending on entitlements.

Dem's will fight against. They'd be stupid not to welcome the majority of American's retirees into their voting rolls.

Dems will fight against what?

YellowSnow

RaceBannon said:

I can fix this but first I will need you all to give me absolute power

I already told you @RaceBannon that I approved of your 1st grand compromise- i.e., safe, legal and rare abortions in exchange for @Sledog and @Swaye getting to keep their guns. You come up with another win, win and I'll consider appointing you dictator for life.

Swaye

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

I can fix this but first I will need you all to give me absolute power

I already told you @RaceBannon that I approved of your 1st grand compromise- i.e., safe, legal and rare abortions in exchange for @Sledog and @Swaye getting to keep their guns. You come up with another win, win and I'll consider appointing you dictator for life.

I support this position. I hate kids anyway. Love guns. Win fucking win.

Sledog

greenblood said:

Sledog said:

greenblood said:

The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund

I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.

The deal was you got it back later. That's the fucking deal. They have to honor it not steal from it or pay out to those who never paid in.

MikeDamone

Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

YellowSnow

MikeDamone said:

Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

The "country" and the "government" are not necessarily the same thing.

MikeDamone

YellowSnow said:

MikeDamone said:

Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

The "country" and the "government" are not necessarily the same thing.

I know. It was a crafty and purposeful selection of words to stir emotion. And it worked.

What exactly does an individual owe the entity of “country”?

YellowSnow

MikeDamone said:

YellowSnow said:

MikeDamone said:

Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

The "country" and the "government" are not necessarily the same thing.

I know. It was a crafty and purposeful selection of words to stir emotion. And it worked.

What exactly does an individual owe the entity of “country”?

The individual doesn't "owe" anything. But I think we all have a "duty" to be good, productive citizens and members of society.

ZoneUW

Exactly Yella. Needs to be more duty to community, your family, taking care of your own health and wealth. Shouldn’t even be a partisan issue.