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Ask not what you can do for your country - ask what your country can do for you

YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americans-want-more-from-the-government-so-democrats-are-peddling-fairy-tales/2019/06/09/664ed246-8940-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html?utm_term=.7c1549f46f4d

By Robert J. Samuelson
Columnist
June 9 at 7:19 PM
“And so, my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” — John F. Kennedy’s inaugural speech, Jan. 20, 1961

When one watches the Democrats’ presidential campaigns, it’s hard not to be struck by the huge gap that has opened up between Kennedy’s goal and what ordinary Americans now believe and practice. Kennedy urged us to be unselfish, but broad sectors of the American public now repudiate Kennedy’s rhetoric.

They expect the government (a.k.a. “the country”) to do for them what they don’t want to do for themselves or are incapable of doing. The result is an air of unreality to the campaigns, as if the energetic expansion of government can solve most problems and cure most defects of American democracy.

The lessons of the past do not seem to have been absorbed or analyzed with significant rigor. Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention knows that government has expanded substantially over the past half-century.


Government today does more things for more people than ever in U.S. history. To describe the change: In 1960, defense outlays were 52 percent of total federal spending; in 2018, the comparable figure was 15 percent. Still, we seem to have more problems than ever requiring a whole new set of “solutions” to improve society — or, in practice, make it worse.

Consider some of the ideas brandished by the various candidates: universal health coverage, whether “Medicare- for-all” or some other scheme; “free” college at state schools; subsidies for child care; “infrastructure” expansion; across-the-board increases in teachers’ salaries; “baby bonds” (annual contributions to savings accounts of children); plans to control climate change.

Doubtless, there will be more. What are we to make of this? Consider some initial observations.


First, let’s admit that some government programs do need “fixing.” But the programs that most need it are the least likely to get it, because they’re too popular or too complex to change. The immigration system is a mess. It neither limits the flow of immigrants nor promotes the assimilation of those here.

Likewise, spending for older Americans — mainly on Social Security and Medicare — is crowding out other programs. To reflect longer life expectancies, eligibility ages should be gradually raised. Health-care spending should be controlled for similar reasons. But proposals to address these problems have been around for years with little action.

Second, although the campaigns have focused on domestic issues, the most important tasks of the next president will involve foreign affairs — repairing the United States’ damaged reputation with the rest of the world.


If Trump wins a second term, this obviously won’t happen. But if he doesn’t, his successor will need to focus intensely on strengthening military alliances, rebuilding trade relations and dealing with potentially hostile actors — Russia, China and rogue states. The United States remains the world’s most powerful nation, even if its economic, military and cultural power is much reduced from its peak. Isolationism won’t work in a world so tightly interwoven.

Third, no matter which Democrat wins in 2020 — assuming one does — many of the proposals now being peddled by the hordes of hopefuls will probably not be adopted. The costs will prove too high. Recall: Between now and 2029, federal budget deficits already will total about $11 trillion, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office. No one knows how much all the new proposals would cost, but the amount would probably be in the trillions of dollars over a decade. Even if this were fully covered by tax increases, the price would be enormous.

The conclusion that emerges from this overview is that the campaigns — and remember, we’re still about 18 months away from the election — are promoting fairy tales. They concentrate on a domestic agenda, a shopping list of liberal and progressive favorites, when the most pressing issues and problems facing the next president will probably involve foreign affairs.


We can’t easily judge who is best equipped for the job as it will actually evolve as opposed to how we imagine it will evolve. There’s a fundamental mismatch that reveals a political culture exactly the opposite of what Kennedy recommended. For too many years, Americans have asked what their country could do for them instead of what they could do for their country.

There may be a final irony here. Even if some of the campaign promises are adopted in the future, it seems unlikely, based on historical experience, that they will produce all of the desired benefits. This disappointment, if it occurs, may well be laid at the feet of government’s strongest advocates.

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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Hard agree.

    *Except single payer. Which isn't free, taxes will replace medical insurance.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Hard agree.

    *Except single payer. Which isn't free, taxes will replace medical insurance.

    I'm open to the idea of single payer for catastrophic, bankrupt you type medical issues. Everything else paid for out of HSA accounts. The objectives should be:

    1) Get insurance de-tangled from one's career path
    2) Allow for transparency in pricing
    3) Bring market forces into play for routine medical procedure- e.g., old people should be able to shop around for hip or knee replacements and pay a set price with a warranty.
    Point 1 is the biggest thing. Keeping insurance tied to a job stifles innovation, makes it harder for people to leave their jobs and start their own business.

    I'm not huge on 2/3. The point being, many medical procedures you don't have time to shop. And others, such as cancer, there are too many unknowns to be able to shop and those are the expensive ones. While that's good in theory, in practice it seems difficult to implement.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    That was a solid column. I absolutely hate how nobody is willing to tackle entitlement spending. Medicare and SS get more out of control with every passing year. Meanwhile dems want to promise expanded social programs, many of which I agree with, without addressing the major expenditure problem that continues to get worse. The GOP meanwhile continues to champion itself as the party of fiscal responsibility (though less so under Trump), yet no vocal leader in the party is doing shit about entitlement reform. The last one to give a damn was Paul Ryan, and he's now out to pasture coaching his son's little league team or some shit like that. I get it, old people (hi Race) are scary, and it's career suicide to try to pry their benefits away. But somebody has to have some balls.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211

    That was a solid column. I absolutely hate how nobody is willing to tackle entitlement spending. Medicare and SS get more out of control with every passing year. Meanwhile dems want to promise expanded social programs, many of which I agree with, without addressing the major expenditure problem that continues to get worse. The GOP meanwhile continues to champion itself as the party of fiscal responsibility (though less so under Trump), yet no vocal leader in the party is doing shit about entitlement reform. The last one to give a damn was Paul Ryan, and he's now out to pasture coaching his son's little league team or some shit like that. I get it, old people (hi Race) are scary, and it's career suicide to try to pry their benefits away. But somebody has to have some balls.

    No one does anything because it's a loser politically. Look what happened to Ryan when he proposed simply reducing the rate of growth in entitlement spending. The Rats will never support curbing entitlement spending and there isn't a large enough block of the GOP that's will to do something about it.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    That was a solid column. I absolutely hate how nobody is willing to tackle entitlement spending. Medicare and SS get more out of control with every passing year. Meanwhile dems want to promise expanded social programs, many of which I agree with, without addressing the major expenditure problem that continues to get worse. The GOP meanwhile continues to champion itself as the party of fiscal responsibility (though less so under Trump), yet no vocal leader in the party is doing shit about entitlement reform. The last one to give a damn was Paul Ryan, and he's now out to pasture coaching his son's little league team or some shit like that. I get it, old people (hi Race) are scary, and it's career suicide to try to pry their benefits away. But somebody has to have some balls.

    No one does anything because it's a loser politically. Look what happened to Ryan when he proposed simply reducing the rate of growth in entitlement spending. The Rats will never support curbing entitlement spending and there isn't a large enough block of the GOP that's will to do something about it.
    This is one of the chief flaws in the modern liberal democracies- i.e., a broad slice of the electorate vote themselves higher standard of living but don't want to pay for it.
  • ZoneUWZoneUW Member Posts: 794

    I can fix this but first I will need you all to give me absolute power

    I vote to give Race absolute power.

    What? I'm curious. And into that.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211

    SFGbob said:

    That was a solid column. I absolutely hate how nobody is willing to tackle entitlement spending. Medicare and SS get more out of control with every passing year. Meanwhile dems want to promise expanded social programs, many of which I agree with, without addressing the major expenditure problem that continues to get worse. The GOP meanwhile continues to champion itself as the party of fiscal responsibility (though less so under Trump), yet no vocal leader in the party is doing shit about entitlement reform. The last one to give a damn was Paul Ryan, and he's now out to pasture coaching his son's little league team or some shit like that. I get it, old people (hi Race) are scary, and it's career suicide to try to pry their benefits away. But somebody has to have some balls.

    No one does anything because it's a loser politically. Look what happened to Ryan when he proposed simply reducing the rate of growth in entitlement spending. The Rats will never support curbing entitlement spending and there isn't a large enough block of the GOP that's will to do something about it.
    This is one of the chief flaws in the modern liberal democracies- i.e., a broad slice of the electorate vote themselves higher standard of living but don't want to pay for it.
    A broad slice of the electorate votes themselves money from the public treasury that they not only don't want to pay for but they know they won't be paying for.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    SFGbob said:

    That was a solid column. I absolutely hate how nobody is willing to tackle entitlement spending. Medicare and SS get more out of control with every passing year. Meanwhile dems want to promise expanded social programs, many of which I agree with, without addressing the major expenditure problem that continues to get worse. The GOP meanwhile continues to champion itself as the party of fiscal responsibility (though less so under Trump), yet no vocal leader in the party is doing shit about entitlement reform. The last one to give a damn was Paul Ryan, and he's now out to pasture coaching his son's little league team or some shit like that. I get it, old people (hi Race) are scary, and it's career suicide to try to pry their benefits away. But somebody has to have some balls.

    No one does anything because it's a loser politically. Look what happened to Ryan when he proposed simply reducing the rate of growth in entitlement spending. The Rats will never support curbing entitlement spending and there isn't a large enough block of the GOP that's will to do something about it.
    This is one of the chief flaws in the modern liberal democracies- i.e., a broad slice of the electorate vote themselves higher standard of living but don't want to pay for it.
    True. Curbing lobbying and special interest money would at least reduce the influence a mega group like the AARP has, but there's still that pesky problem of old people vote.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,764

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americans-want-more-from-the-government-so-democrats-are-peddling-fairy-tales/2019/06/09/664ed246-8940-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html?utm_term=.7c1549f46f4d

    By Robert J. Samuelson
    Columnist
    June 9 at 7:19 PM
    “And so, my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” — John F. Kennedy’s inaugural speech, Jan. 20, 1961

    When one watches the Democrats’ presidential campaigns, it’s hard not to be struck by the huge gap that has opened up between Kennedy’s goal and what ordinary Americans now believe and practice. Kennedy urged us to be unselfish, but broad sectors of the American public now repudiate Kennedy’s rhetoric.

    They expect the government (a.k.a. “the country”) to do for them what they don’t want to do for themselves or are incapable of doing. The result is an air of unreality to the campaigns, as if the energetic expansion of government can solve most problems and cure most defects of American democracy.

    The lessons of the past do not seem to have been absorbed or analyzed with significant rigor. Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention knows that government has expanded substantially over the past half-century.


    Government today does more things for more people than ever in U.S. history. To describe the change: In 1960, defense outlays were 52 percent of total federal spending; in 2018, the comparable figure was 15 percent. Still, we seem to have more problems than ever requiring a whole new set of “solutions” to improve society — or, in practice, make it worse.

    Consider some of the ideas brandished by the various candidates: universal health coverage, whether “Medicare- for-all” or some other scheme; “free” college at state schools; subsidies for child care; “infrastructure” expansion; across-the-board increases in teachers’ salaries; “baby bonds” (annual contributions to savings accounts of children); plans to control climate change.

    Doubtless, there will be more. What are we to make of this? Consider some initial observations.


    First, let’s admit that some government programs do need “fixing.” But the programs that most need it are the least likely to get it, because they’re too popular or too complex to change. The immigration system is a mess. It neither limits the flow of immigrants nor promotes the assimilation of those here.

    Likewise, spending for older Americans — mainly on Social Security and Medicare — is crowding out other programs. To reflect longer life expectancies, eligibility ages should be gradually raised. Health-care spending should be controlled for similar reasons. But proposals to address these problems have been around for years with little action.

    Second, although the campaigns have focused on domestic issues, the most important tasks of the next president will involve foreign affairs — repairing the United States’ damaged reputation with the rest of the world.


    If Trump wins a second term, this obviously won’t happen. But if he doesn’t, his successor will need to focus intensely on strengthening military alliances, rebuilding trade relations and dealing with potentially hostile actors — Russia, China and rogue states. The United States remains the world’s most powerful nation, even if its economic, military and cultural power is much reduced from its peak. Isolationism won’t work in a world so tightly interwoven.

    Third, no matter which Democrat wins in 2020 — assuming one does — many of the proposals now being peddled by the hordes of hopefuls will probably not be adopted. The costs will prove too high. Recall: Between now and 2029, federal budget deficits already will total about $11 trillion, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office. No one knows how much all the new proposals would cost, but the amount would probably be in the trillions of dollars over a decade. Even if this were fully covered by tax increases, the price would be enormous.

    The conclusion that emerges from this overview is that the campaigns — and remember, we’re still about 18 months away from the election — are promoting fairy tales. They concentrate on a domestic agenda, a shopping list of liberal and progressive favorites, when the most pressing issues and problems facing the next president will probably involve foreign affairs.


    We can’t easily judge who is best equipped for the job as it will actually evolve as opposed to how we imagine it will evolve. There’s a fundamental mismatch that reveals a political culture exactly the opposite of what Kennedy recommended. For too many years, Americans have asked what their country could do for them instead of what they could do for their country.

    There may be a final irony here. Even if some of the campaign promises are adopted in the future, it seems unlikely, based on historical experience, that they will produce all of the desired benefits. This disappointment, if it occurs, may well be laid at the feet of government’s strongest advocates.

    Our country includes our countrymen. We've got poasters here arguing that the homeless should have the decency to die or kill one another in cage fights. I'll bet you they want someone to do something though when the corpses start to stink up the place.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211
    HHusky said:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americans-want-more-from-the-government-so-democrats-are-peddling-fairy-tales/2019/06/09/664ed246-8940-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html?utm_term=.7c1549f46f4d

    By Robert J. Samuelson
    Columnist
    June 9 at 7:19 PM
    “And so, my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” — John F. Kennedy’s inaugural speech, Jan. 20, 1961

    When one watches the Democrats’ presidential campaigns, it’s hard not to be struck by the huge gap that has opened up between Kennedy’s goal and what ordinary Americans now believe and practice. Kennedy urged us to be unselfish, but broad sectors of the American public now repudiate Kennedy’s rhetoric.

    They expect the government (a.k.a. “the country”) to do for them what they don’t want to do for themselves or are incapable of doing. The result is an air of unreality to the campaigns, as if the energetic expansion of government can solve most problems and cure most defects of American democracy.

    The lessons of the past do not seem to have been absorbed or analyzed with significant rigor. Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention knows that government has expanded substantially over the past half-century.


    Government today does more things for more people than ever in U.S. history. To describe the change: In 1960, defense outlays were 52 percent of total federal spending; in 2018, the comparable figure was 15 percent. Still, we seem to have more problems than ever requiring a whole new set of “solutions” to improve society — or, in practice, make it worse.

    Consider some of the ideas brandished by the various candidates: universal health coverage, whether “Medicare- for-all” or some other scheme; “free” college at state schools; subsidies for child care; “infrastructure” expansion; across-the-board increases in teachers’ salaries; “baby bonds” (annual contributions to savings accounts of children); plans to control climate change.

    Doubtless, there will be more. What are we to make of this? Consider some initial observations.


    First, let’s admit that some government programs do need “fixing.” But the programs that most need it are the least likely to get it, because they’re too popular or too complex to change. The immigration system is a mess. It neither limits the flow of immigrants nor promotes the assimilation of those here.

    Likewise, spending for older Americans — mainly on Social Security and Medicare — is crowding out other programs. To reflect longer life expectancies, eligibility ages should be gradually raised. Health-care spending should be controlled for similar reasons. But proposals to address these problems have been around for years with little action.

    Second, although the campaigns have focused on domestic issues, the most important tasks of the next president will involve foreign affairs — repairing the United States’ damaged reputation with the rest of the world.


    If Trump wins a second term, this obviously won’t happen. But if he doesn’t, his successor will need to focus intensely on strengthening military alliances, rebuilding trade relations and dealing with potentially hostile actors — Russia, China and rogue states. The United States remains the world’s most powerful nation, even if its economic, military and cultural power is much reduced from its peak. Isolationism won’t work in a world so tightly interwoven.

    Third, no matter which Democrat wins in 2020 — assuming one does — many of the proposals now being peddled by the hordes of hopefuls will probably not be adopted. The costs will prove too high. Recall: Between now and 2029, federal budget deficits already will total about $11 trillion, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office. No one knows how much all the new proposals would cost, but the amount would probably be in the trillions of dollars over a decade. Even if this were fully covered by tax increases, the price would be enormous.

    The conclusion that emerges from this overview is that the campaigns — and remember, we’re still about 18 months away from the election — are promoting fairy tales. They concentrate on a domestic agenda, a shopping list of liberal and progressive favorites, when the most pressing issues and problems facing the next president will probably involve foreign affairs.


    We can’t easily judge who is best equipped for the job as it will actually evolve as opposed to how we imagine it will evolve. There’s a fundamental mismatch that reveals a political culture exactly the opposite of what Kennedy recommended. For too many years, Americans have asked what their country could do for them instead of what they could do for their country.

    There may be a final irony here. Even if some of the campaign promises are adopted in the future, it seems unlikely, based on historical experience, that they will produce all of the desired benefits. This disappointment, if it occurs, may well be laid at the feet of government’s strongest advocates.

    Our country includes our countrymen. We've got poasters here arguing that the homeless should have the decency to die or kill one another in cage fights. I'll bet you they want someone to do something though when the corpses start to stink up the place.
    Try to think of them and brain dead invalids and then you can get on board wanting to off them O'Keefed.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,418
    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211

    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

    The GOP has considered. They were so demonized by the Rats they'd probably never do it again. Bush tried.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,764
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americans-want-more-from-the-government-so-democrats-are-peddling-fairy-tales/2019/06/09/664ed246-8940-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html?utm_term=.7c1549f46f4d

    By Robert J. Samuelson
    Columnist
    June 9 at 7:19 PM
    “And so, my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” — John F. Kennedy’s inaugural speech, Jan. 20, 1961

    When one watches the Democrats’ presidential campaigns, it’s hard not to be struck by the huge gap that has opened up between Kennedy’s goal and what ordinary Americans now believe and practice. Kennedy urged us to be unselfish, but broad sectors of the American public now repudiate Kennedy’s rhetoric.

    They expect the government (a.k.a. “the country”) to do for them what they don’t want to do for themselves or are incapable of doing. The result is an air of unreality to the campaigns, as if the energetic expansion of government can solve most problems and cure most defects of American democracy.

    The lessons of the past do not seem to have been absorbed or analyzed with significant rigor. Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention knows that government has expanded substantially over the past half-century.


    Government today does more things for more people than ever in U.S. history. To describe the change: In 1960, defense outlays were 52 percent of total federal spending; in 2018, the comparable figure was 15 percent. Still, we seem to have more problems than ever requiring a whole new set of “solutions” to improve society — or, in practice, make it worse.

    Consider some of the ideas brandished by the various candidates: universal health coverage, whether “Medicare- for-all” or some other scheme; “free” college at state schools; subsidies for child care; “infrastructure” expansion; across-the-board increases in teachers’ salaries; “baby bonds” (annual contributions to savings accounts of children); plans to control climate change.

    Doubtless, there will be more. What are we to make of this? Consider some initial observations.


    First, let’s admit that some government programs do need “fixing.” But the programs that most need it are the least likely to get it, because they’re too popular or too complex to change. The immigration system is a mess. It neither limits the flow of immigrants nor promotes the assimilation of those here.

    Likewise, spending for older Americans — mainly on Social Security and Medicare — is crowding out other programs. To reflect longer life expectancies, eligibility ages should be gradually raised. Health-care spending should be controlled for similar reasons. But proposals to address these problems have been around for years with little action.

    Second, although the campaigns have focused on domestic issues, the most important tasks of the next president will involve foreign affairs — repairing the United States’ damaged reputation with the rest of the world.


    If Trump wins a second term, this obviously won’t happen. But if he doesn’t, his successor will need to focus intensely on strengthening military alliances, rebuilding trade relations and dealing with potentially hostile actors — Russia, China and rogue states. The United States remains the world’s most powerful nation, even if its economic, military and cultural power is much reduced from its peak. Isolationism won’t work in a world so tightly interwoven.

    Third, no matter which Democrat wins in 2020 — assuming one does — many of the proposals now being peddled by the hordes of hopefuls will probably not be adopted. The costs will prove too high. Recall: Between now and 2029, federal budget deficits already will total about $11 trillion, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office. No one knows how much all the new proposals would cost, but the amount would probably be in the trillions of dollars over a decade. Even if this were fully covered by tax increases, the price would be enormous.

    The conclusion that emerges from this overview is that the campaigns — and remember, we’re still about 18 months away from the election — are promoting fairy tales. They concentrate on a domestic agenda, a shopping list of liberal and progressive favorites, when the most pressing issues and problems facing the next president will probably involve foreign affairs.


    We can’t easily judge who is best equipped for the job as it will actually evolve as opposed to how we imagine it will evolve. There’s a fundamental mismatch that reveals a political culture exactly the opposite of what Kennedy recommended. For too many years, Americans have asked what their country could do for them instead of what they could do for their country.

    There may be a final irony here. Even if some of the campaign promises are adopted in the future, it seems unlikely, based on historical experience, that they will produce all of the desired benefits. This disappointment, if it occurs, may well be laid at the feet of government’s strongest advocates.

    Our country includes our countrymen. We've got poasters here arguing that the homeless should have the decency to die or kill one another in cage fights. I'll bet you they want someone to do something though when the corpses start to stink up the place.
    Try to think of them and brain dead invalids and then you can get on board wanting to off them O'Keefed.
    That hasn't made me want to off you, blob.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Hard agree.

    *Except single payer. Which isn't free, taxes will replace medical insurance.

    I'm open to the idea of single payer for catastrophic, bankrupt you type medical issues. Everything else paid for out of HSA accounts. The objectives should be:

    1) Get insurance de-tangled from one's career path
    2) Allow for transparency in pricing
    3) Bring market forces into play for routine medical procedure- e.g., old people should be able to shop around for hip or knee replacements and pay a set price with a warranty.
    Point 1 is the biggest thing. Keeping insurance tied to a job stifles innovation, makes it harder for people to leave their jobs and start their own business.

    I'm not huge on 2/3. The point being, many medical procedures you don't have time to shop. And others, such as cancer, there are too many unknowns to be able to shop and those are the expensive ones. While that's good in theory, in practice it seems difficult to implement.
    Yikes, Would you please just read a post and think about what it really means before rushing to poast?

    The cancer would be part of the catastrophic that He was talking about. Not shopping for a hip/knee replacement.

    Kreist.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,850 Standard Supporter

    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

    Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americans-want-more-from-the-government-so-democrats-are-peddling-fairy-tales/2019/06/09/664ed246-8940-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html?utm_term=.7c1549f46f4d

    By Robert J. Samuelson
    Columnist
    June 9 at 7:19 PM
    “And so, my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” — John F. Kennedy’s inaugural speech, Jan. 20, 1961

    When one watches the Democrats’ presidential campaigns, it’s hard not to be struck by the huge gap that has opened up between Kennedy’s goal and what ordinary Americans now believe and practice. Kennedy urged us to be unselfish, but broad sectors of the American public now repudiate Kennedy’s rhetoric.

    They expect the government (a.k.a. “the country”) to do for them what they don’t want to do for themselves or are incapable of doing. The result is an air of unreality to the campaigns, as if the energetic expansion of government can solve most problems and cure most defects of American democracy.

    The lessons of the past do not seem to have been absorbed or analyzed with significant rigor. Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention knows that government has expanded substantially over the past half-century.


    Government today does more things for more people than ever in U.S. history. To describe the change: In 1960, defense outlays were 52 percent of total federal spending; in 2018, the comparable figure was 15 percent. Still, we seem to have more problems than ever requiring a whole new set of “solutions” to improve society — or, in practice, make it worse.

    Consider some of the ideas brandished by the various candidates: universal health coverage, whether “Medicare- for-all” or some other scheme; “free” college at state schools; subsidies for child care; “infrastructure” expansion; across-the-board increases in teachers’ salaries; “baby bonds” (annual contributions to savings accounts of children); plans to control climate change.

    Doubtless, there will be more. What are we to make of this? Consider some initial observations.


    First, let’s admit that some government programs do need “fixing.” But the programs that most need it are the least likely to get it, because they’re too popular or too complex to change. The immigration system is a mess. It neither limits the flow of immigrants nor promotes the assimilation of those here.

    Likewise, spending for older Americans — mainly on Social Security and Medicare — is crowding out other programs. To reflect longer life expectancies, eligibility ages should be gradually raised. Health-care spending should be controlled for similar reasons. But proposals to address these problems have been around for years with little action.

    Second, although the campaigns have focused on domestic issues, the most important tasks of the next president will involve foreign affairs — repairing the United States’ damaged reputation with the rest of the world.


    If Trump wins a second term, this obviously won’t happen. But if he doesn’t, his successor will need to focus intensely on strengthening military alliances, rebuilding trade relations and dealing with potentially hostile actors — Russia, China and rogue states. The United States remains the world’s most powerful nation, even if its economic, military and cultural power is much reduced from its peak. Isolationism won’t work in a world so tightly interwoven.

    Third, no matter which Democrat wins in 2020 — assuming one does — many of the proposals now being peddled by the hordes of hopefuls will probably not be adopted. The costs will prove too high. Recall: Between now and 2029, federal budget deficits already will total about $11 trillion, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office. No one knows how much all the new proposals would cost, but the amount would probably be in the trillions of dollars over a decade. Even if this were fully covered by tax increases, the price would be enormous.

    The conclusion that emerges from this overview is that the campaigns — and remember, we’re still about 18 months away from the election — are promoting fairy tales. They concentrate on a domestic agenda, a shopping list of liberal and progressive favorites, when the most pressing issues and problems facing the next president will probably involve foreign affairs.


    We can’t easily judge who is best equipped for the job as it will actually evolve as opposed to how we imagine it will evolve. There’s a fundamental mismatch that reveals a political culture exactly the opposite of what Kennedy recommended. For too many years, Americans have asked what their country could do for them instead of what they could do for their country.

    There may be a final irony here. Even if some of the campaign promises are adopted in the future, it seems unlikely, based on historical experience, that they will produce all of the desired benefits. This disappointment, if it occurs, may well be laid at the feet of government’s strongest advocates.

    Our country includes our countrymen. We've got poasters here arguing that the homeless should have the decency to die or kill one another in cage fights. I'll bet you they want someone to do something though when the corpses start to stink up the place.
    Try to think of them and brain dead invalids and then you can get on board wanting to off them O'Keefed.
    That hasn't made me want to off you, blob.
    And yet you were the dumbfuck who thought Mike Brown was shot in the back while running away.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,418
    edited June 2019
    Sledog said:

    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

    Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund
    I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

    It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211

    Sledog said:

    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

    Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund
    I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

    It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.
    To the extent that there has been any attempt to curb spending on retiree entitlement programs it's all come from the GOP. There are no Rats who are trying curb the rate of growth let alone cut the spending on entitlements.
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