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Ask not what you can do for your country - ask what your country can do for you

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  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,418
    SFGbob said:

    Sledog said:

    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

    Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund
    I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

    It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.
    To the extent that there has been any attempt to curb spending on retiree entitlement programs it's all come from the GOP. There are no Rats who are trying curb the rate of growth let alone cut the spending on entitlements.
    Dem's will fight against. They'd be stupid not to welcome the majority of American's retirees into their voting rolls.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211

    SFGbob said:

    Sledog said:

    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

    Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund
    I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

    It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.
    To the extent that there has been any attempt to curb spending on retiree entitlement programs it's all come from the GOP. There are no Rats who are trying curb the rate of growth let alone cut the spending on entitlements.
    Dem's will fight against. They'd be stupid not to welcome the majority of American's retirees into their voting rolls.
    Dems will fight against what?
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club

    I can fix this but first I will need you all to give me absolute power

    I already told you @RaceBannon that I approved of your 1st grand compromise- i.e., safe, legal and rare abortions in exchange for @Sledog and @Swaye getting to keep their guns. You come up with another win, win and I'll consider appointing you dictator for life.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,489 Founders Club

    I can fix this but first I will need you all to give me absolute power

    I already told you @RaceBannon that I approved of your 1st grand compromise- i.e., safe, legal and rare abortions in exchange for @Sledog and @Swaye getting to keep their guns. You come up with another win, win and I'll consider appointing you dictator for life.
    I support this position. I hate kids anyway. Love guns. Win fucking win.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,850 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    The Dems would have to be the party that curbs SS. The GOP will never consider it. They would lose 60% of their voting base.

    Heaven forbid people expect to get back after being forced to pay in. The government likes to take from it.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/391602-blame-democrats-and-republicans-for-disastrous-social-security-fund
    I'm not saying it's wrong to expect getting your social security. But if the government has a goal of stemming it, the GOP will not be the party to do it. If they did, they would kill themselves politically. The retirees are their largest voting base.

    It's the same reason the Dem's pander for free college. They want to appease their base.
    The deal was you got it back later. That's the fucking deal. They have to honor it not steal from it or pay out to those who never paid in.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited June 2019
    Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club

    Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

    The "country" and the "government" are not necessarily the same thing.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited June 2019

    Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

    The "country" and the "government" are not necessarily the same thing.
    I know. It was a crafty and purposeful selection of words to stir emotion. And it worked.

    What exactly does an individual owe the entity of “country”?
  • ZoneUWZoneUW Member Posts: 794
    Exactly Yella. Needs to be more duty to community, your family, taking care of your own health and wealth. Shouldn’t even be a partisan issue.

  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited June 2019

    Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

    The "country" and the "government" are not necessarily the same thing.
    I know. It was a crafty and purposeful selection of words to stir emotion. And it worked.

    What exactly does an individual owe the entity of “country”?
    The individual doesn't "owe" anything. But I think we all have a "duty" to be good, productive citizens and members of society.
    Exactly. And that is serving other individuals and groups of real people voluntarily. Not some collective defined as “country”. It was a political speech to play on emotion. Many government leaders have used similar words to swayed the masses. Trump’s pretty good at it.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211
    ZoneUW said:

    Exactly Yella. Needs to be more duty to community, your family, taking care of your own health and wealth. Shouldn’t even be a partisan issue.

    And yet your politics are all about the need for a bigger state and more public spending.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Fuck JFK and that statement. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual. They individual doesn’t exist to serve the government. Everything else is noise and flag waving “patriotic” bullshit. You guys are all arguing like a bunch of statists. Both sides.

    What's the definition of virtue signaling again?
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