Remember now, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringe

Swaye

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

creepycoug said:

WestlinnDuck said:

I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.

This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.

I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.

Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.

And, still, here I am, humping for the man.

The sky is not falling. Relax.

Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.

I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."

Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.

The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.

I got my ass handed to me in a "Philosophy of Asian Religions" course in Savory. My ass hurt for weeks taking that class. Philo was no joke.

edit: Did well in a Logic course there, but that was harder than I thought it would be as well. I basically took these two courses the same quarter thinking they would be easy A's, because I think I had business statistics and some other math class for Econ that quarter as well, and instead ended up getting raped by the Philo courses so I never took another one. No easy A in Philo. Fuckers.

creepycoug

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

creepycoug said:

WestlinnDuck said:

I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.

This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.

I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.

Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.

And, still, here I am, humping for the man.

The sky is not falling. Relax.

Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.

I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."

Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.

The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.

I got my ass handed to me in a "Philosophy of Asian Religions" course in Savory. My ass hurt for weeks taking that class. Philo was no joke.

edit: Did well in a Logic course there, but that was harder than I thought it would be as well. I basically took these two courses the same quarter thinking they would be easy A's, because I think I had business statistics and some other math class for Econ that quarter as well, and instead ended up getting raped by the Philo courses so I never took another one. No easy A in Philo. Fuckers.

Most people I know did fine in intro to logic. 120. Then some tried intermediate, and many were uncomfortable but go through and said "no mas". The brave who went to advanced didn't enjoy it. All classes were also full of math and the version of comp. sci that existed back then.

creepycoug

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

@creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.

I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.

The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.

Who fled communism?

And, still, the essential point eludes you.

Bad night for cops.

Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.

I used to think your routine was a schtick.

Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


Either way, you're fucking stupid.

2001400ex

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

@creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.

I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.

The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.

Who fled communism?

And, still, the essential point eludes you.

Bad night for cops.

Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.

I used to think your routine was a schtick.

Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


Either way, you're fucking stupid.

Sledog is what Race actually wants to say.

Sledog

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

@creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.

I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.

The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.

Who fled communism?

And, still, the essential point eludes you.

Bad night for cops.

Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.

I used to think your routine was a schtick.

Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


Either way, you're fucking stupid.

I don't know your life story. Nor do i, at this point, give two shits. You are definitely an attorney. Petty. HTH

UW_Doog_Bot

creepycoug said:

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

creepycoug said:

WestlinnDuck said:

I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.

This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.

I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.

Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.

And, still, here I am, humping for the man.

The sky is not falling. Relax.

Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.

I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."

Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.

The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.

I got my ass handed to me in a "Philosophy of Asian Religions" course in Savory. My ass hurt for weeks taking that class. Philo was no joke.

edit: Did well in a Logic course there, but that was harder than I thought it would be as well. I basically took these two courses the same quarter thinking they would be easy A's, because I think I had business statistics and some other math class for Econ that quarter as well, and instead ended up getting raped by the Philo courses so I never took another one. No easy A in Philo. Fuckers.

Most people I know did fine in intro to logic. 120. Then some tried intermediate, and many were uncomfortable but go through and said "no mas". The brave who went to advanced didn't enjoy it. All classes were also full of math and the version of comp. sci that existed back then.

bleh on logic at UW, it's completely centered around symbolic logic as a service to as you mentioned, Comp sci and math majors taking the course. It really does a disservice to anyone else attempting to take logic to, you know, learn logical argumentation.

creepycoug

2001400ex said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

@creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.

I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.

The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.

Who fled communism?

And, still, the essential point eludes you.

Bad night for cops.

Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.

I used to think your routine was a schtick.

Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


Either way, you're fucking stupid.

Sledog is what Race actually wants to say.

I don't think so.

creepycoug

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

@creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.

I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.

The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.

Who fled communism?

And, still, the essential point eludes you.

Bad night for cops.

Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.

I used to think your routine was a schtick.

Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


Either way, you're fucking stupid.

I don't know your life story. Nor do i, at this point, give two shits. You are definitely an attorney. Petty. HTH

I don't know your life story. Nor do i, at this point, give two shits. You are definitely a donut-shop frequenting, evidence-planting, dishonest ex-Copper.

Swaye

UW_Doog_Bot said:

creepycoug said:

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

creepycoug said:

WestlinnDuck said:

I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.

This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.

I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.

Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.

And, still, here I am, humping for the man.

The sky is not falling. Relax.

Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.

I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."

Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.

The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.

I got my ass handed to me in a "Philosophy of Asian Religions" course in Savory. My ass hurt for weeks taking that class. Philo was no joke.

edit: Did well in a Logic course there, but that was harder than I thought it would be as well. I basically took these two courses the same quarter thinking they would be easy A's, because I think I had business statistics and some other math class for Econ that quarter as well, and instead ended up getting raped by the Philo courses so I never took another one. No easy A in Philo. Fuckers.

Most people I know did fine in intro to logic. 120. Then some tried intermediate, and many were uncomfortable but go through and said "no mas". The brave who went to advanced didn't enjoy it. All classes were also full of math and the version of comp. sci that existed back then.

bleh on logic at UW, it's completely centered around symbolic logic as a service to as you mentioned, Comp sci and math majors taking the course. It really does a disservice to anyone else attempting to take logic to, you know, learn logical argumentation.

Yeah, that's what sucked about it. I thought I was taking some debate prep type logic class and instead basically got my third math class of the quarter. FML.

Swaye

@UW_Doog_Bot when I was an Econ major there were two tracks - BS and BA. Is it still that way?