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Socialism's abject failure

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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,572
    edited June 2019
    Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc are better comparisons.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,610 Founders Club

    Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.

    Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.

    Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.

    Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model".
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club
    edited June 2019
    I beseech ye all on the bowels of Christ, can we please come to an agreement in the Tug as to what we are calling REAL socialism vs high tax/generous welfare states with market economies?
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,610 Founders Club
    edited June 2019

    I beseech ye all on the bowels of Christ, can we please come to an agreement in the Tug as to what we are calling REAL socialism vs high tax/generous welfare states with market economies?




  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,486

    Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.

    Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.

    Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.

    Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model".
    The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.
  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    HHusky said:

    Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.

    Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.

    Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.

    Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model".
    The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.
    When you ask these right-wingers whether we can have these “capitalist” Nordic economies here, including a sovereign wealth fund, over 50% union membership, and generous welfare benefits, the answer is always no.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,204
    Boy do liberal Kunts love Welfare.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,610 Founders Club

    HHusky said:

    Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.

    Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.

    Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.

    Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model".
    The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.
    When you ask these right-wingers whether we can have these “capitalist” Nordic economies here, including a sovereign wealth fund, over 50% union membership, and generous welfare benefits, the answer is always no.
    Yes(though it's uneccessary with the current Dollar reserve status which you don't understand one bit)

    Yes, free markets allow for free association, just don't make laws forbidding non-union workers from working...

    Depends, do state sponsored vouchers get to be used as the recipient sees fit(school choice) or does the state get to tell them what they get and they'll like it?

    Thanks for proving my point that leftists are by and large ignorant of any of the details.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,610 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Though I agree that socialism is unsustainable and a terrible economic strategy, Venezuela isn’t a great example. Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc should be monitored more closely.

    Not actually socialist countries despite the American Left's insistence that they are.

    Sure, generous welfare systems BUT all of them have little resistance to free trade, no minimum wage, and universal school choice/voucher systems. All policies the American Left would consider DOA.

    Norway particularly, resembles a Middle East Petro-state more than a "socialist model".
    The Sultan of Norway and I laffed.
    The Government Pension Fund Global, also known as the Oil Fund, was established in 1990 to invest the surplus revenues of the Norwegian petroleum sector. It has over US$1 trillion in assets, including 1.3% of global stocks and shares, making it the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund.[1] In May 2018 it was worth about $195,000 per Norwegian citizen.[2]
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    edited June 2019
    SFGbob has got life figured out. Thats why he is choosing to be here angry.