Dem Governor 1st to veto National Popular Vote Bill

GDS

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

SFGbob

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

Those states aren't holding the nation hostage, they are in play and could go either way. Your way would allow New York and California and Illinois and a handful of other large population liberal states to hold the entire country hostage. It would also create a system much more susceptible to fraud.

RaceBannon

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

California and NY used to go GOP

Nothing is set in concrete. That's why we have the University of Electoral

You guys lost this one. Get the fuck over it already

SFGbob

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

California and NY used to go GOP

Nothing is set in concrete. That's why we have the University of Electoral

You guys lost this one. Get the fuck over it already

Come on, you know they always want to change the rules when they lose an election.

GDS

SFGbob said:

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

Those states aren't holding the nation hostage, they are in play and could go either way. Your way would allow New York and California and Illinois and a handful of other large population liberal states to hold the entire country hostage. It would also create a system much more susceptible to fraud.

A single voter in LA or NYC has the same power as a single voter in Cheyenne, Wyoming or Tulsa, Oklahoma in a popular vote election. Under the EC none of those votes really matter. Every other election I have seen or participated in whether it's school counsel, senate, mayor etc etc means whomever gets the most votes wins. For some reason president is the only elected office in this country that is elected in a different manner.

I actually don't want us to scrap the EC but would to see us go to a proportional system or voting by CDs like in Nebraska and Maine. Then you might actually see candidates campaigning in places like California, Illinois, New York, Alabama, Louisiana etc etc whereby those states currently never see a presidential candidate.

MikeDamone

GDS said:

SFGbob said:

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

Those states aren't holding the nation hostage, they are in play and could go either way. Your way would allow New York and California and Illinois and a handful of other large population liberal states to hold the entire country hostage. It would also create a system much more susceptible to fraud.

A single voter in LA or NYC has the same power as a single voter in Cheyenne, Wyoming or Tulsa, Oklahoma in a popular vote election. Under the EC none of those votes really matter. Every other election I have seen or participated in whether it's school counsel, senate, mayor etc etc means whomever gets the most votes wins. For some reason president is the only elected office in this country that is elected in a different manner.

I actually don't want us to scrap the EC but would to see us go to a proportional system or voting by CDs like in Nebraska and Maine. Then you might actually see candidates campaigning in places like California, Illinois, New York, Alabama, Louisiana etc etc whereby those states currently never see a presidential candidate.

GDS said:

SFGbob said:

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

Those states aren't holding the nation hostage, they are in play and could go either way. Your way would allow New York and California and Illinois and a handful of other large population liberal states to hold the entire country hostage. It would also create a system much more susceptible to fraud.

A single voter in LA or NYC has the same power as a single voter in Cheyenne, Wyoming or Tulsa, Oklahoma in a popular vote election. Under the EC none of those votes really matter. Every other election I have seen or participated in whether it's school counsel, senate, mayor etc etc means whomever gets the most votes wins. For some reason president is the only elected office in this country that is elected in a different manner.

I actually don't want us to scrap the EC but would to see us go to a proportional system or voting by CDs like in Nebraska and Maine. Then you might actually see candidates campaigning in places like California, Illinois, New York, Alabama, Louisiana etc etc whereby those states currently never see a presidential candidate.

GDS said:

SFGbob said:

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

You assume the other states are static which they aren't

I said likely - not certain. You could still boil it down to 6-7 states if you want to expand beyond the three I mentioned. How is that not a few states holding the nation hostage via the EC something sled argued shouldn't happen in an election?

Those states aren't holding the nation hostage, they are in play and could go either way. Your way would allow New York and California and Illinois and a handful of other large population liberal states to hold the entire country hostage. It would also create a system much more susceptible to fraud.

A single voter in LA or NYC has the same power as a single voter in Cheyenne, Wyoming or Tulsa, Oklahoma in a popular vote election. Under the EC none of those votes really matter. Every other election I have seen or participated in whether it's school counsel, senate, mayor etc etc means whomever gets the most votes wins. For some reason president is the only elected office in this country that is elected in a different manner.

I actually don't want us to scrap the EC but would to see us go to a proportional system or voting by CDs like in Nebraska and Maine. Then you might actually see candidates campaigning in places like California, Illinois, New York, Alabama, Louisiana etc etc whereby those states currently never see a presidential candidate.

Good Christ you’re dense.

RaceBannon

Beverly Hills saw Obama multiple times collecting money

SFGbob

The systems has worked for over 200 years and as soon as you lose an election you no longer like the system.

Sledog

GDS said:

Sledog said:

The founders obviously saw one or two large cities determining the vote. Can't have that.

The 2020 presidential election will likely boil down to about 200,000 voters in three states. Whomever wins at least two out of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan likely wins the election. How is the electoral college not an example of a few states holding the rest of the country hostage?

Better than LA and New York holding the nation hostage. Winning states should count more than buying votes with our tax dollars. That's all you get in the big slums of the USA. California shouldn't even be allowed for their votes to count as they register illegals to vote as a matter of state law.

Kaepsknee

Yes!!! Let's let the welfare States of NY, Calif and Illinois choose our President!!!!!!!!