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DJDuck
DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
edited May 2019 in Tug Tavern
California turned this Democrat into a conservative

My California upbringing shows that people will cling to ideas long after the facts reveal those ideas are flawed — a scary thought for the 2020 election

http://www.watcherofweasels.org/california-turned-this-democrat-into-a-conservative/

“My politics only started to shift in the late 1990s, not because I’d grasped that all the things I hated about California arose from Leftist principles, but because NPR was lying about Israel. That was my initial cognitive dissonance. The cognitive dissonance worsened after 9/11, when were told Islam had nothing to do with it or people such as Michael Moore likened the terrorists (who slaughtered innocents and whose goal was the subjugation of the world to sharia law, complete with sexual enslavement, second class citizenship, slavery, or death for “non-believers,” especially Jews, and the whole panoply of medieval punishments) to America’s own revolutionaries, who fought for individual liberty. (And yes, 18th C women didn’t have rights and the South had slaves, but the principles the revolutionaries advanced were inherently good and they paved the way for emancipation, women’s rights, gay rights, etc.)

After almost 40 years, I finally realized that I was no longer a Democrat. It was a shocking and uncomfortable realization. After all, I knew, or thought I knew, that Democrats are good and Republicans are evil. Was I now no longer good? Was I now evil?

I eventually decided that I was still good. ”

“f there ever was an indictment of Democrat policies, California is it. The problem, though, is that we live in the version of an old joke. You know the joke, don’t you? It’s the one that has a whose wife caught him red-handed in a compromising situation. Rather than apologizing, he demanded of her, “Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?” Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction, America’s Leftists, both inside and outside of California, repeatedly ask, “Who are you, the voters, going to believe? The Democrat Party or your lying eyes?”

Tragically, it’s a question that works. It took me 40 years to break free of that question, especially because the subtext was, “If you believe me, you’re good. If you believe your lying eyes, you’ve sworn fealty to the Devil.’”

“As conservatives like to say, reality always wins . . . but it can take a long, long time.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,616 Standard Supporter
    They're both evil. HTH
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    DJDuck said:

    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,

    Jesus Christ
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited May 2019
    BearsWiin said:

    DJDuck said:

    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,

    Jesus Christ
    DJDuck said:
    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,-Bearswin

    Jesus Christ

    Sorry to say you are inaccurate and basically using a straw man. “Jesus Christ”, I said no such thing. Is it your word attack or reading comprehension skills or both that need attending to? These are words of a man and his journey from clueless Lib to being a Conservative, So don’t post “DJ said”, when that is a lie.

  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    DJDuck said:

    BearsWiin said:

    DJDuck said:

    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,

    Jesus Christ
    DJDuck said:
    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,-Bearswin

    Jesus Christ

    Sorry to say you are inaccurate and basically using a straw man. “Jesus Christ”, I said no such thing. Is it your word attack or reading comprehension skills or both that need attending to? These are words of a man and his journey from clueless Lib to being a Conservative, So don’t post “DJ said”, when that is a lie.

    I'm saying jesus christ to the quote that you posted, you fucking moron

    California has the 5th largest economy in the world.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited May 2019
    You didn’t address the main point of my reply moron.

    You lied and used a straw man when you attributed a quote to me that I didn’t make. Typical lib BS, use a lie and/or a logical fallacy and then try and obfuscate by addressing something else when called on it.. 😂
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    Did I or did I not say this lyin’ moron?

    “DJDuck said:
    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,-Bearswin”

    It’s a simple question Einstein.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    DJDuck said:

    You didn’t address the main point of my reply moron.

    You lied and used a straw man when you attributed a quote to me that I didn’t make. Typical lib BS, use a lie and/or a logical fallacy and then try and obfuscate by addressing something else when called on it.. 😂

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  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    It’s a simple question 2001 400 ex maybe you could answer it. Maybe you guys could use the “call a friend” lifeline.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited May 2019
    Never mind, I think he used the “remove an answer” lifeline. It’s an effective strategy when you have a yes or no answer. The “Yes” was eliminated and VIOILA, the only answer left was “No”!
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    BearsWiin said:

    DJDuck said:

    Did I or did I not say this lyin’ moron?

    “DJDuck said:
    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,-Bearswin”

    It’s a simple question Einstein.

    You fucking posted it. I know it's not your words. It's too fucking articulate for you. I cut it down because that's the particular quote that I was Jesus Christing. Idiots quoting idiots, that's what this dump has become.

    Derek, my $129 will be split this year between Mayor Pete and Bae Warren. This place is fucking hopeless.
    BearsWiin said:

    DJDuck said:

    Did I or did I not say this lyin’ moron?

    “DJDuck said:
    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,-Bearswin”

    It’s a simple question Einstein.

    You fucking posted it. I know it's not your words. It's too fucking articulate for you. I cut it down because that's the particular quote that I was Jesus Christing. Idiots quoting idiots, that's what this dump has become.

    Derek, my $129 will be split this year between Mayor Pete and Bae Warren. This place is fucking hopeless.
    BearsWiin said:

    DJDuck said:

    Did I or did I not say this lyin’ moron?

    “DJDuck said:
    Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction,-Bearswin”

    It’s a simple question Einstein.

    You fucking posted it. I know it's not your words. It's too fucking articulate for you. I cut it down because that's the particular quote that I was Jesus Christing. Idiots quoting idiots, that's what this dump has become.

    Derek, my $129 will be split this year between Mayor Pete and Bae Warren. This place is fucking hopeless.
    And you fucking lied. Are you a mind reader too? Do I Agee with every word that I post? Do you for crying out loud. Yo have no idea what I think about every item I post.

    How could I agree and know about the experiences and challenges of someone in California. If you can’t comprehend the main points he is trying to make you are completely clueless.
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    edited May 2019
    DJDuck said:

    California turned this Democrat into a conservative

    My California upbringing shows that people will cling to ideas long after the facts reveal those ideas are flawed — a scary thought for the 2020 election

    http://www.watcherofweasels.org/california-turned-this-democrat-into-a-conservative/

    “My politics only started to shift in the late 1990s, not because I’d grasped that all the things I hated about California arose from Leftist principles, but because NPR was lying about Israel. That was my initial cognitive dissonance. The cognitive dissonance worsened after 9/11, when were told Islam had nothing to do with it or people such as Michael Moore likened the terrorists (who slaughtered innocents and whose goal was the subjugation of the world to sharia law, complete with sexual enslavement, second class citizenship, slavery, or death for “non-believers,” especially Jews, and the whole panoply of medieval punishments) to America’s own revolutionaries, who fought for individual liberty. (And yes, 18th C women didn’t have rights and the South had slaves, but the principles the revolutionaries advanced were inherently good and they paved the way for emancipation, women’s rights, gay rights, etc.)

    After almost 40 years, I finally realized that I was no longer a Democrat. It was a shocking and uncomfortable realization. After all, I knew, or thought I knew, that Democrats are good and Republicans are evil. Was I now no longer good? Was I now evil?

    I eventually decided that I was still good. ”

    “f there ever was an indictment of Democrat policies, California is it. The problem, though, is that we live in the version of an old joke. You know the joke, don’t you? It’s the one that has a whose wife caught him red-handed in a compromising situation. Rather than apologizing, he demanded of her, “Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?” Even as California’s laboratory of democracy shows that every Leftist policy, when given play, creates social collapse and economic destruction, America’s Leftists, both inside and outside of California, repeatedly ask, “Who are you, the voters, going to believe? The Democrat Party or your lying eyes?”

    Tragically, it’s a question that works. It took me 40 years to break free of that question, especially because the subtext was, “If you believe me, you’re good. If you believe your lying eyes, you’ve sworn fealty to the Devil.’”

    “As conservatives like to say, reality always wins . . . but it can take a long, long time.

    I love storytime with Granpda @RaceBannon
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    Angry geriatrics complaining about the world going to hell is about as old as civilization

    It's just mindboggling that they continue to use a rich, booming, prosperous state as an example
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited May 2019
    Obfuscating to cover for your lying and use of logical fallacies.

    $1 Trillion in unfunded pensions ..............no problemo


    California faces a $1 trillion unfunded pension liability and lawmakers focus on foam and plastic straws

    Since it seems that you eschew edifying yourself maybe you haven’t heard about California debt and pension shortfall.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    edited May 2019
    Of all the dumb motherfuckers on this site, you must be the dumb motherfuckest


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  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    Sure that’s all you got motherfucker is lie about someone, use logical fallacies then act like a juvenile by obfuscate, name call and stomp your feet rather than have the balls to admit your a moron and we’re wrong. Your like a little kid. Logic doesn’t penetrate with you.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    I love it when pompous new idiots show up and assume that shit hasn't already been discussed to death
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    California economy has succeeded despite liberal policies not because of them.


    California also has the highest rate of poverty of any other state in the country and 1/3 of all Welfare recipients in the US reside in California.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    No you don’t love it when new people show up and expose you as a shallow thinker like what is happening now

    So now you have changed the subject about you obviously lying and using logical fallacies to complaining that “new people assume that shit hasn’t already been discussed to death”

    What. You are a juvenile idiot. I’ m sure you would like to talk about some completely unrelated BS that a pussy like you would bring up. Your posts are getting even more inane if that is possible.

    If this, your lying etc, has all been discussed before why are you engaging in repartee you claim that has already been discussed.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    Poverty is high because the cost of living is high. The cost of living is high because so many people want to live here and because of massive wealth creation. As problems go, it's a good one to have, because there are sources of funding for redistribution and investment in infrastructure that benefits everybody

    but yeah let's write off California because Dems and browns grumble grumble
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    Is DJDuck just another RaceBannon alt like SFGbob?
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    He does seem too militantly stupid to be legit
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited May 2019
    No just someone that doesn’t lie like you and isn’t too cowardly to admit their wrong. Hell you claimed about how California was so great or such. I gave you evidence contrary to that and you didn’t have the balls to reply.

    It seems as though people like to pop off with lies and fallacies but get all butthurt when someone points it out. Then it seems the usual gambit is used to denigrate the poster to try and make some juvenile “gotcha” insanity.

    This in itself is a logical fallacy. It is used by people that lack the tools to construct an honest logical argument.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    BearsWiin said:

    Poverty is high because the cost of living is high. The cost of living is high because so many people want to live here and because of massive wealth creation. As problems go, it's a good one to have, because there are sources of funding for redistribution and investment in infrastructure that benefits everybody

    but yeah let's write off California because Dems and browns grumble grumble

    Bullshit. The counties with the highest rates of poverty are mostly all in the central valley where the cost of living is the lowest. The second and 3rd states with the highest rates of poverty after California are LA and FLA two states with a much lower cost of living.


    California has high rates of poverty because it has high number of illegal and legal immigrants with low job skills. Also the very generous welfare benefits the state offers are a magnet for parasites. California was the only state to not see a large drop in it's welfare rolls after the 90s Welfare reform because Clinton allowed California to exempt itself. While welfare rates were plummeting across the country they stayed steady in California and that's how the state ended up with 1/3 of all welfare recipients.