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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IBxaDrxjoHOWARD KURTZ, FOX NEWS: An exclusive first look at a poll about socialism versus capitalism. It turns out the ideas pushed by Democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez may have lots of support in their party, while capitalism isn't polling so well.
Frank Luntz found in an online survey of 1,000 people that 52% of Hillary Clinton voters agree with the statement "I prefer living in a socialist country to a capitalist one," against just 16% of Donald Trump voters. Asked about the AOC proposal to impose a 70% tax on the top 1% of taxpayers, 79% Clinton voters agree, and so do 46% of Trump voters. And veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz joins us now. Before we get to more numbers, is the media kind of soft on socialism? I mean favorable press to Democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, being tough on flaws of capitalism, the excesses of big corporations.
FRANK LUNTZ: All you have do is read "The New York Times" business section. Typically seven stories, six of the seven will be hostile to a corporation or hostile to capitalism as we know it. In fact, it has gotten so bad that I started to say to people: stop trying to defend capitalism, it is economic freedom. Capitalism they think of Wall Street, profits, they think about losing their jobs. Economic freedom is Main Street, small business, why we are so successful as a country. It has been so demonized, and the rich and successful have been demonized -- the assumption now is if you made money you did so in an improper way.
KURTZ: It's interesting, 45% of Trump voters say some companies make such big profits it can't be justified. You are basically saying in this report, you say, capitalism is dead, at least as term people respond to, that is a pretty strong statement.
LUNTZ: I am going to get chewed out by Rush Limbaugh for the wrong reasons. It is not that the principles are dead, in fact, the principles of economic freedom are alive and well. But capitalism itself has been so demonized by media that... if you want to oppose socialism you oppose it by talking about freedom, not capitalism.
KURTZ: It must be more than just media coverage when you have, as I mentioned the top, half of Trump voters, supporting AOC's 70% marginal tax rate. You wouldn't know that from the coverage, you would think it is purely a left wing position.
LUNTZ: It is because the public is really frustrated about being forgotten or left behind. Those two emotions are what elected Donald Trump, and are alive and well not just on the right, but also the left. It's the reason Bernie Sanders did so well in 2016, and why I will be blunt with you, I think he is the most likely nominee in 2020. I will tell you something, Republicans should want that because Sanders cannot appeal to overall mainstream American people, and they should be scared to death if they get Colorado Senator Michael Bennett, who there is no issue about socialism there is no -- he is not the extreme he is mainstream. The reason why Sanders polls so well is because he is so left wing.
KURTZ: I'm getting two things from this, because even the media have said some Democratic candidates have moved so far left -- free college for all, Medicare for all, slavery reparations - that they would have a hard time winning a general election, but maybe in tune with what a lot of Democrats think. And secondly you say, well, capitalism, looks not great right now -- because of media. I am a big proponent of media have a lot of influence but do they have that much influence?
LUNTZ: Significant influence, you are correct the Democrats who have moved to the left are in tune with Democratic Party, just not in tune with mainstream America on this issue of capitalism. Republicans frankly need to wake up, that what they
believed was mainstream 10 years ago, but now the whole country is shifting, just a bit left.
I really enjoy that Bernie can't win in the general because his ideas aren't in the main stream but half of republicans want AOC's tax plan. Apparently "too far left" is half of republicans agreeing with you.
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Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?
Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.
They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to put you all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
https://www.apnews.com/2eda3c2355fe45408422fb5f7f5e2522
So Hillary's emails and FISA warrants aren't real Hondo?
HTH but I know it won't.
Rebrand
The true definition of socialism where Government owns productivity, has failed. Except in China, their major corporations are government owned and China kicks our ass in GDP growth year after year.
And, I don't believe a word of it.
Obama held strong sympathies for Muslim folk throughout N. Africa and the Middle East, and it played out in his stubborn refusal to acknowledge the actual roots of terrorism, i.e., religiously brainwashed pawn-and-puppet holy warriors who blow shit up because they can't get ahead, get away, or get laid in their god-forsaken desert communities in the region.
Was Obama a Muslim? No, but who cares if he was - as Colin Powell eloquently said.
Was Obama a Muslim sympathizer? No doubt, and again, not a huge problem were it acknowledged and accepted, but instead we heard stories about videotapes and America being the problem, again and again and again and again. Just one big stupid lie Obama endorsed. Too bad for him, but it will stain his legacy forever.