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Hello socialism, bye bye capitalism

allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IBxaDrxjo

HOWARD KURTZ, FOX NEWS: An exclusive first look at a poll about socialism versus capitalism. It turns out the ideas pushed by Democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez may have lots of support in their party, while capitalism isn't polling so well.

Frank Luntz found in an online survey of 1,000 people that 52% of Hillary Clinton voters agree with the statement "I prefer living in a socialist country to a capitalist one," against just 16% of Donald Trump voters. Asked about the AOC proposal to impose a 70% tax on the top 1% of taxpayers, 79% Clinton voters agree, and so do 46% of Trump voters. And veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz joins us now. Before we get to more numbers, is the media kind of soft on socialism? I mean favorable press to Democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, being tough on flaws of capitalism, the excesses of big corporations.

FRANK LUNTZ: All you have do is read "The New York Times" business section. Typically seven stories, six of the seven will be hostile to a corporation or hostile to capitalism as we know it. In fact, it has gotten so bad that I started to say to people: stop trying to defend capitalism, it is economic freedom. Capitalism they think of Wall Street, profits, they think about losing their jobs. Economic freedom is Main Street, small business, why we are so successful as a country. It has been so demonized, and the rich and successful have been demonized -- the assumption now is if you made money you did so in an improper way.

KURTZ: It's interesting, 45% of Trump voters say some companies make such big profits it can't be justified. You are basically saying in this report, you say, capitalism is dead, at least as term people respond to, that is a pretty strong statement.

LUNTZ: I am going to get chewed out by Rush Limbaugh for the wrong reasons. It is not that the principles are dead, in fact, the principles of economic freedom are alive and well. But capitalism itself has been so demonized by media that... if you want to oppose socialism you oppose it by talking about freedom, not capitalism.

KURTZ: It must be more than just media coverage when you have, as I mentioned the top, half of Trump voters, supporting AOC's 70% marginal tax rate. You wouldn't know that from the coverage, you would think it is purely a left wing position.

LUNTZ: It is because the public is really frustrated about being forgotten or left behind. Those two emotions are what elected Donald Trump, and are alive and well not just on the right, but also the left. It's the reason Bernie Sanders did so well in 2016, and why I will be blunt with you, I think he is the most likely nominee in 2020. I will tell you something, Republicans should want that because Sanders cannot appeal to overall mainstream American people, and they should be scared to death if they get Colorado Senator Michael Bennett, who there is no issue about socialism there is no -- he is not the extreme he is mainstream. The reason why Sanders polls so well is because he is so left wing.

KURTZ: I'm getting two things from this, because even the media have said some Democratic candidates have moved so far left -- free college for all, Medicare for all, slavery reparations - that they would have a hard time winning a general election, but maybe in tune with what a lot of Democrats think. And secondly you say, well, capitalism, looks not great right now -- because of media. I am a big proponent of media have a lot of influence but do they have that much influence?

LUNTZ: Significant influence, you are correct the Democrats who have moved to the left are in tune with Democratic Party, just not in tune with mainstream America on this issue of capitalism. Republicans frankly need to wake up, that what they
believed was mainstream 10 years ago, but now the whole country is shifting, just a bit left.


I really enjoy that Bernie can't win in the general because his ideas aren't in the main stream but half of republicans want AOC's tax plan. Apparently "too far left" is half of republicans agreeing with you.
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Comments

  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,890
    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,197 Founders Club

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    Thank you for proving my point that you’ll just make shit up.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to put you all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited May 2019
    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to gunna put you all Y’all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    Yeah....Romney.

    https://www.apnews.com/2eda3c2355fe45408422fb5f7f5e2522
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited May 2019

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IBxaDrxjo

    HOWARD KURTZ, FOX NEWS: An exclusive first look at a poll about socialism versus capitalism. It turns out the ideas pushed by Democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez may have lots of support in their party, while capitalism isn't polling so well.

    Frank Luntz found in an online survey of 1,000 people that 52% of Hillary Clinton voters agree with the statement "I prefer living in a socialist country to a capitalist one," against just 16% of Donald Trump voters. Asked about the AOC proposal to impose a 70% tax on the top 1% of taxpayers, 79% Clinton voters agree, and so do 46% of Trump voters. And veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz joins us now. Before we get to more numbers, is the media kind of soft on socialism? I mean favorable press to Democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, being tough on flaws of capitalism, the excesses of big corporations.

    FRANK LUNTZ: All you have do is read "The New York Times" business section. Typically seven stories, six of the seven will be hostile to a corporation or hostile to capitalism as we know it. In fact, it has gotten so bad that I started to say to people: stop trying to defend capitalism, it is economic freedom. Capitalism they think of Wall Street, profits, they think about losing their jobs. Economic freedom is Main Street, small business, why we are so successful as a country. It has been so demonized, and the rich and successful have been demonized -- the assumption now is if you made money you did so in an improper way.

    KURTZ: It's interesting, 45% of Trump voters say some companies make such big profits it can't be justified. You are basically saying in this report, you say, capitalism is dead, at least as term people respond to, that is a pretty strong statement.

    LUNTZ: I am going to get chewed out by Rush Limbaugh for the wrong reasons. It is not that the principles are dead, in fact, the principles of economic freedom are alive and well. But capitalism itself has been so demonized by media that... if you want to oppose socialism you oppose it by talking about freedom, not capitalism.

    KURTZ: It must be more than just media coverage when you have, as I mentioned the top, half of Trump voters, supporting AOC's 70% marginal tax rate. You wouldn't know that from the coverage, you would think it is purely a left wing position.

    LUNTZ: It is because the public is really frustrated about being forgotten or left behind. Those two emotions are what elected Donald Trump, and are alive and well not just on the right, but also the left. It's the reason Bernie Sanders did so well in 2016, and why I will be blunt with you, I think he is the most likely nominee in 2020. I will tell you something, Republicans should want that because Sanders cannot appeal to overall mainstream American people, and they should be scared to death if they get Colorado Senator Michael Bennett, who there is no issue about socialism there is no -- he is not the extreme he is mainstream. The reason why Sanders polls so well is because he is so left wing.

    KURTZ: I'm getting two things from this, because even the media have said some Democratic candidates have moved so far left -- free college for all, Medicare for all, slavery reparations - that they would have a hard time winning a general election, but maybe in tune with what a lot of Democrats think. And secondly you say, well, capitalism, looks not great right now -- because of media. I am a big proponent of media have a lot of influence but do they have that much influence?

    LUNTZ: Significant influence, you are correct the Democrats who have moved to the left are in tune with Democratic Party, just not in tune with mainstream America on this issue of capitalism. Republicans frankly need to wake up, that what they
    believed was mainstream 10 years ago, but now the whole country is shifting, just a bit left.


    I really enjoy that Bernie can't win in the general because his ideas aren't in the main stream but half of republicans want AOC's tax plan. Apparently "too far left" is half of republicans agreeing with you.

    People surveyed are in favor of other people paying for them to live without given any other details. Shocking. Ground breaking.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,072
    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to put you all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.

    So Hillary's emails and FISA warrants aren't real Hondo?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,072

    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to gunna put you all Y’all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    Yeah....Romney.

    https://www.apnews.com/2eda3c2355fe45408422fb5f7f5e2522
    Hondo how does this compare to the "drum beat" that Obama was a Muslim. I don't recall the GOP front runner making that charge and yet here you have Biden claiming the GOP is bringing back Jim Crow.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited May 2019
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to gunna put you all Y’all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    Yeah....Romney.

    https://www.apnews.com/2eda3c2355fe45408422fb5f7f5e2522
    Hondo how does this compare to the "drum beat" that Obama was a Muslim. I don't recall the GOP front runner making that charge and yet here you have Biden claiming the GOP is bringing back Jim Crow.
    Are you really that stupid Bob? If you were to poll people in 2012 or right now, and ask them if Romney or Trump were putting black people in chains or bringing back Jim Crow, the number that say yes would be close to zero. You poll people in 12 and there's a large number they thought Obama was a Muslim.

    HTH but I know it won't.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,890
    edited May 2019

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    Socialism is the biggest failure in history. Hell even the feudal system actually worked


    Rebrand
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    Socialism is the biggest failure in history. Hell even the feudal system actually worked


    Rebrand
    Depends on your definition of socialism. If you are talking single payer Heath care, then no. That isn't a big failure in history.

    The true definition of socialism where Government owns productivity, has failed. Except in China, their major corporations are government owned and China kicks our ass in GDP growth year after year.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited May 2019
    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    Socialism is the biggest failure in history. Hell even the feudal system actually worked


    Rebrand
    Depends on your definition of socialism. If you are talking single payer Heath care, then no. That isn't a big failure in history.

    The true definition of socialism where Government owns productivity, has failed. Except in China, their major corporations are government owned and China kicks our ass in GDP growth year after year.
    You defined communism, not socialism. I’m not surprised you don’t know the definition though.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,072
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to gunna put you all Y’all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    Yeah....Romney.

    https://www.apnews.com/2eda3c2355fe45408422fb5f7f5e2522
    Hondo how does this compare to the "drum beat" that Obama was a Muslim. I don't recall the GOP front runner making that charge and yet here you have Biden claiming the GOP is bringing back Jim Crow.
    Are you really that stupid Bob? If you were to poll people in 2012 or right now, and ask them if Romney or Trump were putting black people in chains or bringing back Jim Crow, the number that say yes would be close to zero. You poll people in 12 and there's a large number they thought Obama was a Muslim.

    HTH but I know it won't.
    Kunt logic, is there anything it can't do?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to gunna put you all Y’all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    Yeah....Romney.

    https://www.apnews.com/2eda3c2355fe45408422fb5f7f5e2522
    Hondo how does this compare to the "drum beat" that Obama was a Muslim. I don't recall the GOP front runner making that charge and yet here you have Biden claiming the GOP is bringing back Jim Crow.
    Are you really that stupid Bob? If you were to poll people in 2012 or right now, and ask them if Romney or Trump were putting black people in chains or bringing back Jim Crow, the number that say yes would be close to zero. You poll people in 12 and there's a large number they thought Obama was a Muslim.

    HTH but I know it won't.
    Kunt logic, is there anything it can't do?
    Didn't your mom raise you to not ask questions you don't want the answer to?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,072
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to gunna put you all Y’all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    Yeah....Romney.

    https://www.apnews.com/2eda3c2355fe45408422fb5f7f5e2522
    Hondo how does this compare to the "drum beat" that Obama was a Muslim. I don't recall the GOP front runner making that charge and yet here you have Biden claiming the GOP is bringing back Jim Crow.
    Are you really that stupid Bob? If you were to poll people in 2012 or right now, and ask them if Romney or Trump were putting black people in chains or bringing back Jim Crow, the number that say yes would be close to zero. You poll people in 12 and there's a large number they thought Obama was a Muslim.

    HTH but I know it won't.
    Kunt logic, is there anything it can't do?
    Didn't your mom raise you to not ask questions you don't want the answer to?
    You didn't answer any questions. You compared apples to dog shit and because you're really fucking stupid you think you crafted some brilliant response.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,116

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IBxaDrxjo

    HOWARD KURTZ, FOX NEWS: An exclusive first look at a poll about socialism versus capitalism. It turns out the ideas pushed by Democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez may have lots of support in their party, while capitalism isn't polling so well.

    Frank Luntz found in an online survey of 1,000 people that 52% of Hillary Clinton voters agree with the statement "I prefer living in a socialist country to a capitalist one," against just 16% of Donald Trump voters. Asked about the AOC proposal to impose a 70% tax on the top 1% of taxpayers, 79% Clinton voters agree, and so do 46% of Trump voters. And veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz joins us now. Before we get to more numbers, is the media kind of soft on socialism? I mean favorable press to Democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, being tough on flaws of capitalism, the excesses of big corporations.

    FRANK LUNTZ: All you have do is read "The New York Times" business section. Typically seven stories, six of the seven will be hostile to a corporation or hostile to capitalism as we know it. In fact, it has gotten so bad that I started to say to people: stop trying to defend capitalism, it is economic freedom. Capitalism they think of Wall Street, profits, they think about losing their jobs. Economic freedom is Main Street, small business, why we are so successful as a country. It has been so demonized, and the rich and successful have been demonized -- the assumption now is if you made money you did so in an improper way.

    KURTZ: It's interesting, 45% of Trump voters say some companies make such big profits it can't be justified. You are basically saying in this report, you say, capitalism is dead, at least as term people respond to, that is a pretty strong statement.

    LUNTZ: I am going to get chewed out by Rush Limbaugh for the wrong reasons. It is not that the principles are dead, in fact, the principles of economic freedom are alive and well. But capitalism itself has been so demonized by media that... if you want to oppose socialism you oppose it by talking about freedom, not capitalism.

    KURTZ: It must be more than just media coverage when you have, as I mentioned the top, half of Trump voters, supporting AOC's 70% marginal tax rate. You wouldn't know that from the coverage, you would think it is purely a left wing position.

    LUNTZ: It is because the public is really frustrated about being forgotten or left behind. Those two emotions are what elected Donald Trump, and are alive and well not just on the right, but also the left. It's the reason Bernie Sanders did so well in 2016, and why I will be blunt with you, I think he is the most likely nominee in 2020. I will tell you something, Republicans should want that because Sanders cannot appeal to overall mainstream American people, and they should be scared to death if they get Colorado Senator Michael Bennett, who there is no issue about socialism there is no -- he is not the extreme he is mainstream. The reason why Sanders polls so well is because he is so left wing.

    KURTZ: I'm getting two things from this, because even the media have said some Democratic candidates have moved so far left -- free college for all, Medicare for all, slavery reparations - that they would have a hard time winning a general election, but maybe in tune with what a lot of Democrats think. And secondly you say, well, capitalism, looks not great right now -- because of media. I am a big proponent of media have a lot of influence but do they have that much influence?

    LUNTZ: Significant influence, you are correct the Democrats who have moved to the left are in tune with Democratic Party, just not in tune with mainstream America on this issue of capitalism. Republicans frankly need to wake up, that what they
    believed was mainstream 10 years ago, but now the whole country is shifting, just a bit left.


    I really enjoy that Bernie can't win in the general because his ideas aren't in the main stream but half of republicans want AOC's tax plan. Apparently "too far left" is half of republicans agreeing with you.

    tl;dr

    And, I don't believe a word of it.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,942 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2019
    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to put you all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    This is such a stupid interpretation of the "Obama is a Muslim" canard. I read two or three of Obama's books, including "Dreams of my Father," which clearly laid out his sympathies for Islam and Muslim folk, particularly it's historical impacts where his father grew up and which guided his grandfather and father in life. His "muslim roots" and "not all Muslims are bad people" approach - which is of course true, btw - affected his thinking and approaches toward Islam, particularly in North Africa, but also throughout the Middle East as aptly demonstrated by the absurd Benghazi incident cover stories, where members if his administration, including Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice, blamed the incident on America's failure to engage the right way in the region, through more economic aid, education, etc., etc., etc. - the usual shit the "Blame America First" crowd throws out - and even more absurdly, on a videotape that depicted "the Prophet" less than favorably.

    Obama held strong sympathies for Muslim folk throughout N. Africa and the Middle East, and it played out in his stubborn refusal to acknowledge the actual roots of terrorism, i.e., religiously brainwashed pawn-and-puppet holy warriors who blow shit up because they can't get ahead, get away, or get laid in their god-forsaken desert communities in the region.

    Was Obama a Muslim? No, but who cares if he was - as Colin Powell eloquently said.
    Was Obama a Muslim sympathizer? No doubt, and again, not a huge problem were it acknowledged and accepted, but instead we heard stories about videotapes and America being the problem, again and again and again and again. Just one big stupid lie Obama endorsed. Too bad for him, but it will stain his legacy forever.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,642

    2001400ex said:

    So...not socialism

    Have you guys ever thought of getting a different name?

    For a while I did wish they just wouldn’t use that word. It seemed like it would make it so much easier. But that’s not true. No matter what, the other side is going to fight tooth and nail and use unfair and untrue attacks. AOC wants to ban hamburgers and airplanes. We can’t afford Bernie’s Medicare For All.

    Stop socialism is a rallying cry for the retarded. And if it wasn’t socialism, they’d attack with some other bullshit. Obama is a Muslim. Hillary’s emails.

    They aren’t backing down to republican bullying the way centrist democrats have for 15 years. And I respect it.
    You mean like how Joe Biden says Donald Trump wants to return black people to chains?

    Just curious, do you denounce that as well?
    The full comment is below. First he was talking about GOP policies in reference to Romney being elected, not Trump (was in 2012). Second, are you really comparing a one off comment to the drum beat that was Obama is a Muslim and Hillary emails? Or even FISA warrant and shit like that?

    Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to put you all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
    This is such a stupid interpretation of the "Obama is a Muslim" canard. I read two or three of Obama's books, including "Dreams of my Father," which clearly laid out his sympathies for Islam and Muslim folk, particularly it's historical impacts where his father grew up and which guided his grandfather and father in life. His "muslim roots" and "not all Muslims are bad people" approach - which is of course true, btw - affected his thinking and approaches toward Islam, particularly in North Africa, but also throughout the Middle East as aptly demonstrated by the absurd Benghazi incident cover stories, where members if his administration, including Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice, blamed the incident on America's failure to engage the right way in the region, through more economic aid, education, etc., etc., etc. - the usual shit the "Blame America First" crowd throws out - and even more absurdly, on a videotape that depicted "the Prophet" less than favorably.

    Obama held strong sympathies for Muslim folk throughout N. Africa and the Middle East, and it played out in his stubborn refusal to acknowledge the actual roots of terrorism, i.e., religiously brainwashed pawn-and-puppet holy warriors who blow shit up because they can't get ahead, get away, or get laid in their god-forsaken desert communities in the region.

    Was Obama a Muslim? No, but who cares if he was - as Colin Powell eloquently said.
    Was Obama a Muslim sympathizer? No doubt, and again, not a huge problem were it acknowledged and accepted, but instead we heard stories about videotapes and America being the problem, again and again and again and again. Just one big stupid lie Obama endorsed. Too bad for him, but it will stain his legacy forever.
    Islam, like all religions, is mumbo jumbo and superstition, but no more inherently violent than any of the others. You could remove Islam from the scene, but if nothing else changed you would still have the terrorism. "Not all Muslims are bad people" is damning with faint praise. Indeed, not all Christians and Jews are bad people.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,642

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IBxaDrxjo

    HOWARD KURTZ, FOX NEWS: An exclusive first look at a poll about socialism versus capitalism. It turns out the ideas pushed by Democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez may have lots of support in their party, while capitalism isn't polling so well.

    Frank Luntz found in an online survey of 1,000 people that 52% of Hillary Clinton voters agree with the statement "I prefer living in a socialist country to a capitalist one," against just 16% of Donald Trump voters. Asked about the AOC proposal to impose a 70% tax on the top 1% of taxpayers, 79% Clinton voters agree, and so do 46% of Trump voters. And veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz joins us now. Before we get to more numbers, is the media kind of soft on socialism? I mean favorable press to Democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, being tough on flaws of capitalism, the excesses of big corporations.

    FRANK LUNTZ: All you have do is read "The New York Times" business section. Typically seven stories, six of the seven will be hostile to a corporation or hostile to capitalism as we know it. In fact, it has gotten so bad that I started to say to people: stop trying to defend capitalism, it is economic freedom. Capitalism they think of Wall Street, profits, they think about losing their jobs. Economic freedom is Main Street, small business, why we are so successful as a country. It has been so demonized, and the rich and successful have been demonized -- the assumption now is if you made money you did so in an improper way.

    KURTZ: It's interesting, 45% of Trump voters say some companies make such big profits it can't be justified. You are basically saying in this report, you say, capitalism is dead, at least as term people respond to, that is a pretty strong statement.

    LUNTZ: I am going to get chewed out by Rush Limbaugh for the wrong reasons. It is not that the principles are dead, in fact, the principles of economic freedom are alive and well. But capitalism itself has been so demonized by media that... if you want to oppose socialism you oppose it by talking about freedom, not capitalism.

    KURTZ: It must be more than just media coverage when you have, as I mentioned the top, half of Trump voters, supporting AOC's 70% marginal tax rate. You wouldn't know that from the coverage, you would think it is purely a left wing position.

    LUNTZ: It is because the public is really frustrated about being forgotten or left behind. Those two emotions are what elected Donald Trump, and are alive and well not just on the right, but also the left. It's the reason Bernie Sanders did so well in 2016, and why I will be blunt with you, I think he is the most likely nominee in 2020. I will tell you something, Republicans should want that because Sanders cannot appeal to overall mainstream American people, and they should be scared to death if they get Colorado Senator Michael Bennett, who there is no issue about socialism there is no -- he is not the extreme he is mainstream. The reason why Sanders polls so well is because he is so left wing.

    KURTZ: I'm getting two things from this, because even the media have said some Democratic candidates have moved so far left -- free college for all, Medicare for all, slavery reparations - that they would have a hard time winning a general election, but maybe in tune with what a lot of Democrats think. And secondly you say, well, capitalism, looks not great right now -- because of media. I am a big proponent of media have a lot of influence but do they have that much influence?

    LUNTZ: Significant influence, you are correct the Democrats who have moved to the left are in tune with Democratic Party, just not in tune with mainstream America on this issue of capitalism. Republicans frankly need to wake up, that what they
    believed was mainstream 10 years ago, but now the whole country is shifting, just a bit left.


    I really enjoy that Bernie can't win in the general because his ideas aren't in the main stream but half of republicans want AOC's tax plan. Apparently "too far left" is half of republicans agreeing with you.

    People surveyed are in favor of other people paying for them to live without given any other details. Shocking. Ground breaking.
    No significant voting block is in favor of unbridled acquisition by a few oligarchs.
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