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  • USMChawkUSMChawk Member Posts: 1,800

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP

  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,797 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP
    Stay away from sharp objects psycho
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,296 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP
    Hondo alt?
    He has many
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,296 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP

  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,167 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2019
    USMChawk said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP

    People forget that even if the House votes to impeach, the Senate still needs to hold a trial of impeachment - which requires a 2/3 vote to impeach.

    People forget that.

    So, yes, crying like a little bitch is the new normal.

  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978

    just imagine Hillary did all this and you will see the light. I would think the same thing regardless

    Imagine? She did and then some, or do like to ignore the fact even the NYTs now accepts that the fake Steele Dossier was a bunch of Russian misinformation that Hillary's campaign paid actual cash to Russians for.

    AoG going HondoFS...

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    USMChawk said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP

    People forget that even if the House votes to impeach, the Senate still needs to hold a trial of impeachment - which requires a 2/3 vote to impeach.

    People forget that.

    So, yes, crying like a little bitch is the new normal.

    And even if Trump fully admitted to colluding with Russians after lying under oath about it. Still no Republican in the Senate would vote to impeach him.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,167 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    USMChawk said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP

    People forget that even if the House votes to impeach, the Senate still needs to hold a trial of impeachment - which requires a 2/3 vote to impeach.

    People forget that.

    So, yes, crying like a little bitch is the new normal.

    And even if Trump fully admitted to colluding with Russians after lying under oath about it. Still no Republican in the Senate would vote to impeach him.
    Why do you hate the rule of law?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    USMChawk said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP

    People forget that even if the House votes to impeach, the Senate still needs to hold a trial of impeachment - which requires a 2/3 vote to impeach.

    People forget that.

    So, yes, crying like a little bitch is the new normal.

    And even if Trump fully admitted to colluding with Russians after lying under oath about it. Still no Republican in the Senate would vote to impeach him.
    Why do you hate the rule of law?
    I don't hate the rule of law at all. Just stating a fact.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    just imagine Hillary did all this and you will see the light. I would think the same thing regardless

    Imagine? She did and then some, or do like to ignore the fact even the NYTs now accepts that the fake Steele Dossier was a bunch of Russian misinformation that Hillary's campaign paid actual cash to Russians for.

    AoG going HondoFS...


    Read the Mueller report. It addresses the Steele dossier and Carter page that you have a boner over.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    just imagine Hillary did all this and you will see the light. I would think the same thing regardless

    Imagine? She did and then some, or do like to ignore the fact even the NYTs now accepts that the fake Steele Dossier was a bunch of Russian misinformation that Hillary's campaign paid actual cash to Russians for.

    AoG going HondoFS...


    Read the Mueller report. It addresses the Steele dossier and Carter page that you have a boner over.
    HondoFS going HondoFS with blatant lies mixed with his speed-limit IQ. The Mueller report pretty much ignores the Steele Dossier, and when it does reference the fake report it basically calls it out for being what it is...completely fabricated nonsense (i.e. Cohen in Prague never happened, no blackmail tape on Trump, absolutely zero zip nada evidence Carter Page was involved in any way shape or form with Russia which should have already been obvious since he was a previous FBI source against Russians, etc.). And the Mueller report completely ignores the origins of the fake Steele Dossier, which was Hillary's campaign paying a foreign spy who used that money from Hillary to pay Russian nationals for what turned out to be disinformation.

    You keep lying your speed-limit IQ off though...
    You read like a bad episode of Sean hannity. And no Hillary was not the origin of the Steele dossier. Idiot
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,418

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Sounds like you still can’t handle defeat
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,167 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2019
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    USMChawk said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump based his entire defense on conflating collusion with criminal conspiracy. The GOP managed to fool the public that if there was on criminal conspiracy, there was no collusion.

    It doesn't matter what the fuck you call, or if it was illegal or not. Impeachment is for cases in which the accused carries out high crimes against the republic. The fact that Trump knew about, and benefited directly from the Russian hacks, and kept the FBI and the public wholly in the dark by keeping this to himself and his associates, and then engaged in a protracted campaign of obstruction means he needs to be impeached. All you have to do understand this is stop applying labels like collusion vs conspiracy, and then simply imagine if Hillary did this. Then it becomes clear.

    Be careful. If Bob reads that again and picks up on that quote. He's going to spam the board for months calling you a pathological liar.
    The witness and the evidence need to be presented, as in any trial. Who is believed is up to the jury (Senate). I believe the prosecution's case, even with half of it blacked out by that fatass Bar and his motherfucking redactor pen.
    Oh fuck off. Waste of resources. Focus on a decent candidate and move the fuck on.
    Sure, sure, but not before we

    IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP

    People forget that even if the House votes to impeach, the Senate still needs to hold a trial of impeachment - which requires a 2/3 vote to impeach.

    People forget that.

    So, yes, crying like a little bitch is the new normal.

    And even if Trump fully admitted to colluding with Russians after lying under oath about it. Still no Republican in the Senate would vote to impeach him.
    Why do you hate the rule of law?
    I don't hate the rule of law at all. Just stating a fact.
    Generally a "fact" is something that is documented or has been proven to be true.

    Since no vote has been tallied, your statement is called 'speculation' or a 'prediction'.


  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    just imagine Hillary did all this and you will see the light. I would think the same thing regardless

    Imagine? She did and then some, or do like to ignore the fact even the NYTs now accepts that the fake Steele Dossier was a bunch of Russian misinformation that Hillary's campaign paid actual cash to Russians for.

    AoG going HondoFS...


    Read the Mueller report. It addresses the Steele dossier and Carter page that you have a boner over.
    HondoFS going HondoFS with blatant lies mixed with his speed-limit IQ. The Mueller report pretty much ignores the Steele Dossier, and when it does reference the fake report it basically calls it out for being what it is...completely fabricated nonsense (i.e. Cohen in Prague never happened, no blackmail tape on Trump, absolutely zero zip nada evidence Carter Page was involved in any way shape or form with Russia which should have already been obvious since he was a previous FBI source against Russians, etc.). And the Mueller report completely ignores the origins of the fake Steele Dossier, which was Hillary's campaign paying a foreign spy who used that money from Hillary to pay Russian nationals for what turned out to be disinformation.

    You keep lying your speed-limit IQ off though...
    You read like a bad episode of Sean hannity. And no Hillary was not the origin of the Steele dossier. Idiot
    In April 2016 Marc Elias (Hillary lackey) hired Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump.
    In June 2016, Fusion GPS hired Steele to make the Dossier.
    After June 2016, Steele started funneling money that he got from the Clinton campaign to his souces which included Russians tied closely to Putin.

    Oh yeah, we should also add Steele's brilliant piece of work also used anonymous posts on the CNN website to back-up his Russian disinformation claims.

    Keep lying with that speed limit IQ HondoFS...

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    just imagine Hillary did all this and you will see the light. I would think the same thing regardless

    Imagine? She did and then some, or do like to ignore the fact even the NYTs now accepts that the fake Steele Dossier was a bunch of Russian misinformation that Hillary's campaign paid actual cash to Russians for.

    AoG going HondoFS...


    Read the Mueller report. It addresses the Steele dossier and Carter page that you have a boner over.
    HondoFS going HondoFS with blatant lies mixed with his speed-limit IQ. The Mueller report pretty much ignores the Steele Dossier, and when it does reference the fake report it basically calls it out for being what it is...completely fabricated nonsense (i.e. Cohen in Prague never happened, no blackmail tape on Trump, absolutely zero zip nada evidence Carter Page was involved in any way shape or form with Russia which should have already been obvious since he was a previous FBI source against Russians, etc.). And the Mueller report completely ignores the origins of the fake Steele Dossier, which was Hillary's campaign paying a foreign spy who used that money from Hillary to pay Russian nationals for what turned out to be disinformation.

    You keep lying your speed-limit IQ off though...
    You read like a bad episode of Sean hannity. And no Hillary was not the origin of the Steele dossier. Idiot
    Proven pathological liar.

    While it's true that Fusion GPS was working on research into Trump prior to the DNC and Hillary , Steele wasn't hired to start compiling his dossier until after the DNC and Hillary campaign took over the contract. You've been informed of this numerous times and yet you still repeat your lies. That's what pathological liars do.

    There was no "Steele dossier" prior to Hillary and the DNC paying Fusion who in turn hired Steele.


    LATE MAY 2016: Acting on behalf of the DNC, the law firm Perkins Coie hires Fusion GPS to conduct research on Trump. Having known Steele for nearly seven years, Fusion GPS contracts with Steele to conduct the research. The head of Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson, has also known Steele’s contact at the Justice Department, Ohr, for several years. Simpson hires Ohr’s wife, a Russian linguist named Nellie, to help with the research and analysis.


    JUNE 20, 2016: Steele compiles a report concluding the Kremlin had “cultivat[ed]” and “compromised” Trump, and it was “feeding Trump and his team valuable intelligence” on Hillary Clinton and others.


    Proven pathological liar
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    just imagine Hillary did all this and you will see the light. I would think the same thing regardless

    Imagine? She did and then some, or do like to ignore the fact even the NYTs now accepts that the fake Steele Dossier was a bunch of Russian misinformation that Hillary's campaign paid actual cash to Russians for.

    AoG going HondoFS...


    Read the Mueller report. It addresses the Steele dossier and Carter page that you have a boner over.
    HondoFS going HondoFS with blatant lies mixed with his speed-limit IQ. The Mueller report pretty much ignores the Steele Dossier, and when it does reference the fake report it basically calls it out for being what it is...completely fabricated nonsense (i.e. Cohen in Prague never happened, no blackmail tape on Trump, absolutely zero zip nada evidence Carter Page was involved in any way shape or form with Russia which should have already been obvious since he was a previous FBI source against Russians, etc.). And the Mueller report completely ignores the origins of the fake Steele Dossier, which was Hillary's campaign paying a foreign spy who used that money from Hillary to pay Russian nationals for what turned out to be disinformation.

    You keep lying your speed-limit IQ off though...
    You read like a bad episode of Sean hannity. And no Hillary was not the origin of the Steele dossier. Idiot
    You read like a pathological lying piece of shit who continues repeating lies long after you've been given the information that shows your head is up your ass.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    just imagine Hillary did all this and you will see the light. I would think the same thing regardless

    Imagine? She did and then some, or do like to ignore the fact even the NYTs now accepts that the fake Steele Dossier was a bunch of Russian misinformation that Hillary's campaign paid actual cash to Russians for.

    AoG going HondoFS...


    Read the Mueller report. It addresses the Steele dossier and Carter page that you have a boner over.
    HondoFS going HondoFS with blatant lies mixed with his speed-limit IQ. The Mueller report pretty much ignores the Steele Dossier, and when it does reference the fake report it basically calls it out for being what it is...completely fabricated nonsense (i.e. Cohen in Prague never happened, no blackmail tape on Trump, absolutely zero zip nada evidence Carter Page was involved in any way shape or form with Russia which should have already been obvious since he was a previous FBI source against Russians, etc.). And the Mueller report completely ignores the origins of the fake Steele Dossier, which was Hillary's campaign paying a foreign spy who used that money from Hillary to pay Russian nationals for what turned out to be disinformation.

    You keep lying your speed-limit IQ off though...
    You read like a bad episode of Sean hannity. And no Hillary was not the origin of the Steele dossier. Idiot
    In April 2016 Marc Elias (Hillary lackey) hired Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump.
    In June 2016, Fusion GPS hired Steele to make the Dossier.
    After June 2016, Steele started funneling money that he got from the Clinton campaign to his souces which included Russians tied closely to Putin.

    Oh yeah, we should also add Steele's brilliant piece of work also used anonymous posts on the CNN website to back-up his Russian disinformation claims.

    Keep lying with that speed limit IQ HondoFS...

    It's all he has. He can't deal in facts or the truth so he just repeated his talking points and lies.
  • ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    edited April 2019
    Probably "IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP" is not socially acceptable in the House.

    The sober version is that he committed the high crime of "failing to notify the FBI of Russian hacking of the DNC and 10 counts of obstructing the investigation of Russian interference directly benefiting him." Again, it does not have to be called anything specifically illegal since the history of high crimes is just whatever the legislative body deems is severely damaging enough to the republic. What Trump did is on order of magnitude worse than Nixon. The janitors who broke into Watergate were not our global adversary, for one thing.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978

    Probably "IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN CURRENT FUCKING BASTARD TRUMP" is not socially acceptable in the House.

    The sober version is that he committed the high crime of "failing to notify the FBI of Russian hacking of the DNC and 10 counts of obstructing the investigation of Russian interference directly benefiting him." Again, it does not have to be called anything specifically illegal since the history of high crimes is just whatever the legislative body deems is severely damaging enough to the republic. What Trump did is on order of magnitude worse than Nixon. The janitors who broke into Watergate were not our global adversary, for one thing.

    AoG going full nutjob now...HondoFS must be proud. 'Failing to notify the FBI of Russian hacking'? Everyone who didn't call the FBI after it went public in May of 2016 should be charged then. And I guess all Democrats should be charged since there were numerous attempts to hack the RNC (they were just slightly more competent so they weren't successful...).

    And I love how obstructing an investigation of something that didn't happen is now a crime because he publicly said shit didn't happen and said mean things about Mueller and his Democrat posse, even as they continued to investigate him after they knew it was a fraud?

    BRILLIANT
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