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Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.FremontTroll said:
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?greenblood said:But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
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That or it could be that there hasn't been a time when 3-4 hockey players rushed the stands and started playing live Street Fighter with the fans.RaceBannon said:NHL players are white. NBA players are Black
Why do you think fans freak out about NBA fights? The Malice in the Palace gave people heart attacks -
Tough to do in skates but the penalty box fights are specialgreenblood said:
That or it could be that there hasn't been a time when 3-4 hockey players rushed the stands and started playing live Street Fighter with the fans.RaceBannon said:NHL players are white. NBA players are Black
Why do you think fans freak out about NBA fights? The Malice in the Palace gave people heart attacks
The NBA fight was in Detroit. The players needed protection from the fans
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Yeah, you're a Neanderthal. There has always been dirty play. Nobody can provide any data or evidence to support fighters having a deterrent effect.Bad_MotherDucker said:
Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.FremontTroll said:
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?greenblood said:But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
Sign me up for more roster spots for skilled players. I don't need to watch professional hockey players that can't skate or handle a puck. -
Also the role of enforcer may be the most mentally and physically damaging in sports.
Of the two fighters I grew up rooting for one is dead from overdose and the other is homeless and was missing for 10 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Boogaard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Johnson_(ice_hockey) -
DisagreeFremontTroll said:
Yeah, you're a Neanderthal. There has always been dirty play. Nobody can provide any data or evidence to support fighters having a deterrent effect.Bad_MotherDucker said:
Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.FremontTroll said:
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?greenblood said:But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
Sign me up for more roster spots for skilled players. I don't need to watch professional hockey players that can't skate or handle a puck.
There's always room for one goon on every team -
CausationFremontTroll said:Also the role of enforcer may be the most mentally and physically damaging in sports.
Of the two fighters I grew up rooting for one is dead from overdose and the other is homeless and was missing for 10 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Boogaard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Johnson_(ice_hockey)
Did being a goon lead them to this lifestyle, or were they predisposed to this kind of lifestyle, and thus fit in as a hockey goon? -
Causation? Fucking LOL man. Goons become goons because they are big and not skilled enough and it is the only way to keep the NHL dream alive. Both those guys quit before the age of 30 because the lifestyle of a goon in the NHL FUCKING SUCKS.greenblood said:
CausationFremontTroll said:Also the role of enforcer may be the most mentally and physically damaging in sports.
Of the two fighters I grew up rooting for one is dead from overdose and the other is homeless and was missing for 10 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Boogaard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Johnson_(ice_hockey)
Did being a goon lead them to this lifestyle, or were they predisposed to this kind of lifestyle, and thus fit in as a hockey goon?
Boogaard's brain exam showed advanced CTE. Johnson grew up on an apple farm with a completely normal loving family that has been trying to track him down on the streets of LA for the last 10 years. Absolutely no risk factors.
You'd be way better off arguing sample size but then I would just have to get more examples. -
Today's players know the risks. If they still choose to be bruisers that's on them.FremontTroll said:
Causation? Fucking LOL man. Goons become goons because they are big and not skilled enough and it is the only way to keep the NHL dream alive. Both those guys quit before the age of 30 because the lifestyle of a goon in the NHL FUCKING SUCKS.greenblood said:
CausationFremontTroll said:Also the role of enforcer may be the most mentally and physically damaging in sports.
Of the two fighters I grew up rooting for one is dead from overdose and the other is homeless and was missing for 10 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Boogaard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Johnson_(ice_hockey)
Did being a goon lead them to this lifestyle, or were they predisposed to this kind of lifestyle, and thus fit in as a hockey goon?
Boogaard's brain exam showed advanced CTE. Johnson grew up on an apple farm with a completely normal loving family that has been trying to track him down on the streets of LA for the last 10 years. Absolutely no risk factors.
You'd be way better off arguing sample size but then I would just have to get more examples. -
Do the Colorado Avs have room to add Cale Makar if they have to roster a goon? They are already at 7 D to 11 F.greenblood said:
DisagreeFremontTroll said:
Yeah, you're a Neanderthal. There has always been dirty play. Nobody can provide any data or evidence to support fighters having a deterrent effect.Bad_MotherDucker said:
Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.FremontTroll said:
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?greenblood said:But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
Sign me up for more roster spots for skilled players. I don't need to watch professional hockey players that can't skate or handle a puck.
There's always room for one goon on every team
31 goons means 31 less spots for actual players to crack a lineup.
Its simlar to the trend of having multiple scoring lines. How many William Karlsson's languished in the early 2000s because they were made to play on "checking" lines instead of given a chance to shine.
