Did being a goon lead them to this lifestyle, or were they predisposed to this kind of lifestyle, and thus fit in as a hockey goon?
Causation? Fucking LOL man. Goons become goons because they are big and not skilled enough and it is the only way to keep the NHL dream alive. Both those guys quit before the age of 30 because the lifestyle of a goon in the NHL FUCKING SUCKS.
Boogaard's brain exam showed advanced CTE. Johnson grew up on an apple farm with a completely normal loving family that has been trying to track him down on the streets of LA for the last 10 years. Absolutely no risk factors.
You'd be way better off arguing sample size but then I would just have to get more examples.
Today's players know the risks. If they still choose to be bruisers that's on them.
Did they know the risks in the 90s and early 2000s?
But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?
Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.
Yeah, you're a Neanderthal. There has always been dirty play. Nobody can provide any data or evidence to support fighters having a deterrent effect.
Sign me up for more roster spots for skilled players. I don't need to watch professional hockey players that can't skate or handle a puck.
Disagree
There's always room for one goon on every team
Do the Colorado Avs have room to add Cale Makar if they have to roster a goon? They are already at 7 D to 11 F.
31 goons means 31 less spots for actual players to crack a lineup.
Its simlar to the trend of having multiple scoring lines. How many William Karlsson's languished in the early 2000s because they were made to play on "checking" lines instead of given a chance to shine.
NFL is worse after their changes, the NBA is much worse after their changes. If you are for lower viewership and less excitement, sure take the goons out of the game.
But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?
Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.
Yeah, you're a Neanderthal. There has always been dirty play. Nobody can provide any data or evidence to support fighters having a deterrent effect.
Sign me up for more roster spots for skilled players. I don't need to watch professional hockey players that can't skate or handle a puck.
Disagree
There's always room for one goon on every team
Do the Colorado Avs have room to add Cale Makar if they have to roster a goon? They are already at 7 D to 11 F.
31 goons means 31 less spots for actual players to crack a lineup.
Its simlar to the trend of having multiple scoring lines. How many William Karlsson's languished in the early 2000s because they were made to play on "checking" lines instead of given a chance to shine.
NFL is worse after their changes, the NBA is much worse after their changes. If you are for lower viewership and less excitement, sure take the goons out of the game.
Ok!
Debatable but also off-topic.
The level of play in the NHL is so much better than when I grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s. Back then you had a handful of defensemen in the entire league who could drive the play and one line per team that scored.
Goals are up despite save percentage also being up and power plays being down.
All they need to do now is limit the size of goalie equipment or increase the size of the nets.
But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?
Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.
Yeah, you're a Neanderthal. There has always been dirty play. Nobody can provide any data or evidence to support fighters having a deterrent effect.
Sign me up for more roster spots for skilled players. I don't need to watch professional hockey players that can't skate or handle a puck.
Disagree
There's always room for one goon on every team
Do the Colorado Avs have room to add Cale Makar if they have to roster a goon? They are already at 7 D to 11 F.
31 goons means 31 less spots for actual players to crack a lineup.
Its simlar to the trend of having multiple scoring lines. How many William Karlsson's languished in the early 2000s because they were made to play on "checking" lines instead of given a chance to shine.
NFL is worse after their changes, the NBA is much worse after their changes. If you are for lower viewership and less excitement, sure take the goons out of the game.
Ok!
Debatable but also off-topic.
The level of play in the NHL is so much better than when I grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s. Back then you had a handful of defensemen in the entire league who could drive the play and one line per team that scored.
Goals are up despite save percentage also being up and power plays being down.
All they need to do now is limit the size of goalie equipment or increase the size of the nets.
You can thank the Devils and their neutral zone trap for mucking shit up during that era. Won them 3 cups so can't really blame them. After the lockout they allowed 2 line passes and started cracking down on interference. There was so much grabbing and holding it was stifling the superstars and the league knew it had to increase scoring to get fans back after the lockout
But seriously, in the nba you knock somebody out, you’re gone for half the season, same with the nfl. In baseball idk, but I’m sure it’s lengthy. In the NHL, you get a 5 min timeout.
If you gave an NBA player a weapon and let them hit another player in the face with it how long would the suspension be?
Call me a Neanderthal but shit like this is becoming more common because players feel the need to "retaliate" with their sticks, head shots, slewfoots, because other than the suspension there is no on ice deterrent. Enforcers kept this shit to a minimum cause if your enforcer got his ass handed to him due to shit you pulled, that didn't go over well in the locker room. The game today is too fast and skilled for the old goon role. Goons were typically stashed on the 4th line, but when you're on the road the other team gets to match their 1st line vs your 4th line. If you're the weak link, the 1st line will exploit that mercilessly and odds are that the puck will end up in the back of your own net.
Yeah, you're a Neanderthal. There has always been dirty play. Nobody can provide any data or evidence to support fighters having a deterrent effect.
Sign me up for more roster spots for skilled players. I don't need to watch professional hockey players that can't skate or handle a puck.
Disagree
There's always room for one goon on every team
Do the Colorado Avs have room to add Cale Makar if they have to roster a goon? They are already at 7 D to 11 F.
31 goons means 31 less spots for actual players to crack a lineup.
Its simlar to the trend of having multiple scoring lines. How many William Karlsson's languished in the early 2000s because they were made to play on "checking" lines instead of given a chance to shine.
NFL is worse after their changes, the NBA is much worse after their changes. If you are for lower viewership and less excitement, sure take the goons out of the game.
Ok!
Debatable but also off-topic.
The level of play in the NHL is so much better than when I grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s. Back then you had a handful of defensemen in the entire league who could drive the play and one line per team that scored.
Goals are up despite save percentage also being up and power plays being down.
All they need to do now is limit the size of goalie equipment or increase the size of the nets.
You can thank the Devils and their neutral zone trap for mucking shit up during that era. Won them 3 cups so can't really blame them. After the lockout they allowed 2 line passes and started cracking down on interference. There was so much grabbing and holding it was stifling the superstars and the league knew it had to increase scoring to get fans back after the lockout
That is the narrative but its partially true at best. Some of the changes in the game are due to coaching and strategy.
But few of the "superstars" of that era had the combination of speed and skill that is prized today let alone the second and third line players. A lot of that comes down to US and Canada training and emphasis from younger ages modeled after the European game. Also more modern strength and cardio training and nutrition in general.
The league did increase penalties called in the year after the lockout which created a temporary and unsustainable surge in scoring due to increased power play opportunities.
That lasted one year.
Fast forward to this year we just set a record for the fewest power play opportunities per game- EVER. Down over 50% since 2005-2006.Yet shots attempted and goals per game are up.
Boston-Toronto and Calgary-Colorado were amazing last night.
I really like this Colorado team. MacKinnon is playing the best hockey of anyone in the league right now and their D-men are doing a good job of jumping into the play. Cale Makar plays at a different speed you can just tell he is going to be special. If GRUUUU can play halfway decent this team is a threat to Cup.
Why do you think fans freak out about NBA fights? The Malice in the Palace gave people heart attacks
Damn straight. Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson were wreckin fools. But Kermit Washington aside. Most NBA players dont know how to throw a punch and they never have. Even Rodman threw like a bitch.
Why do you think fans freak out about NBA fights? The Malice in the Palace gave people heart attacks
Damn straight. Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson were wreckin fools. But Kermit Washington aside. Most NBA players dont know how to throw a punch and they never have. Even Rodman threw like a bitch.
Rodman just flopped around in every scuffle he was in.
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Debatable but also off-topic.
The level of play in the NHL is so much better than when I grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s. Back then you had a handful of defensemen in the entire league who could drive the play and one line per team that scored.
Goals are up despite save percentage also being up and power plays being down.
All they need to do now is limit the size of goalie equipment or increase the size of the nets.
But few of the "superstars" of that era had the combination of speed and skill that is prized today let alone the second and third line players. A lot of that comes down to US and Canada training and emphasis from younger ages modeled after the European game. Also more modern strength and cardio training and nutrition in general.
The league did increase penalties called in the year after the lockout which created a temporary and unsustainable surge in scoring due to increased power play opportunities.
That lasted one year.
Fast forward to this year we just set a record for the fewest power play opportunities per game- EVER. Down over 50% since 2005-2006.Yet shots attempted and goals per game are up.
I really like this Colorado team. MacKinnon is playing the best hockey of anyone in the league right now and their D-men are doing a good job of jumping into the play. Cale Makar plays at a different speed you can just tell he is going to be special. If GRUUUU can play halfway decent this team is a threat to Cup.
NBA can be okay at times. I can't stand watching Hard-on and the Rockettes.
I suppose if they allowed NFL players to toss their helmet like NHL players drop gloves it could be good.
Go Leafs, Sharks, Canes!