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What is capitalism?
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That gulag? You didn't build that.RaceBannon said: -
Why did everyone give them money if it's bad for everyone to give them money?HardlyClothed said:
Christ, so if they “earned” (which is a completely subjective term) that level of financial and political domination over the rest of us via capital accumulation that makes it OK. Praise our benevolent feudal masters!Fenderbender123 said:
How do they accumulate it? By going around and forcing everyone to give it to them? Or do they earn it? And why do they earn it?HardlyClothed said:
Cool, and when that value is naturally accumulated by a smaller and smaller cadre of people who then exert enormous power over the market and thus or livelihoods it’s fantastic.UW_Doog_Bot said:Capitalism, at it's heart, is simply a free market in which individuals are free to trade their goods and services. The incentive of capitalism is to create the most value for the most people. You receive the most value back by creating the most value for others.
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The CIA sure as shit knew Herb Ellison. He was probably on speed dial. Being taught by nationally recognized scholars and experts is an advantage of attending a great university. You can love RR and still acknowledge the USSR was growing quite frail. Some of us voted for RR during his lifetime. He wasn’t perfect, but he was the right man for the time.SFGbob said:
Wow, that didn't refute a fucking word a I just said but I hope it made you feel better. Hell Reagan said it and he believed it before you heard it from Herb. Btw, am I supposed to know who Herb Ellison is?HHusky said:
I remember sitting in Herb Ellison’s class in 1980 or 81. He called it then. It sounded like a fantasy to me at the time. He was right.SFGbob said:
That certainly wasn't the conventional wisdom in 1980 and it wasn't what our own CIA was saying.HHusky said:
The Soviet Union was teetering and RR gave it a shove. He almost undoubtedly hastened its end, but it was going to end.SFGbob said:
The strawman's ass got just got fucked.HardlyClothed said:
Reagan won the Cold War by giving a speech being mean to communism is still the funniest right-wing myth in circulation.RaceBannon said:The socialist dream around the world was crushed under the coolness of the 80's in the West
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Russia collapsed during our military rebuild under RR. When you roll out weapons systems that negate Russia's huger expenditures and render those expenditures useless they couldn't keep up and poof! Time to do it again. Those fuckers are getting uppity!HHusky said:
The Soviet Union was teetering and RR gave it a shove. He almost undoubtedly hastened its end, but it was going to end.SFGbob said:
The strawman's ass got just got fucked.HardlyClothed said:
Reagan won the Cold War by giving a speech being mean to communism is still the funniest right-wing myth in circulation.RaceBannon said:The socialist dream around the world was crushed under the coolness of the 80's in the West
We buried them. Nice try Nikita -
Again, doesn't refute a fucking word I said. Herb may have been saying it but no one at the CIA was listening to your "expert."HHusky said:
The CIA sure as shit knew Herb Ellison. He was probably on speed dial. Being taught by nationally recognized scholars and experts is an advantage of attending a great university. You can love RR and still acknowledge the USSR was growing quite frail. Some of us voted for RR during his lifetime. He wasn’t perfect, but he was the right man for the time.SFGbob said:
Wow, that didn't refute a fucking word a I just said but I hope it made you feel better. Hell Reagan said it and he believed it before you heard it from Herb. Btw, am I supposed to know who Herb Ellison is?HHusky said:
I remember sitting in Herb Ellison’s class in 1980 or 81. He called it then. It sounded like a fantasy to me at the time. He was right.SFGbob said:
That certainly wasn't the conventional wisdom in 1980 and it wasn't what our own CIA was saying.HHusky said:
The Soviet Union was teetering and RR gave it a shove. He almost undoubtedly hastened its end, but it was going to end.SFGbob said:
The strawman's ass got just got fucked.HardlyClothed said:
Reagan won the Cold War by giving a speech being mean to communism is still the funniest right-wing myth in circulation.RaceBannon said:The socialist dream around the world was crushed under the coolness of the 80's in the West
We buried them. Nice try Nikita
Director Admits C.I.A. Fell Short In Predicting the Soviet Collapse
By ELAINE SCIOLINOMAY 21, 1992
Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems. Please send reports of such problems to archive_feedback@nytimes.com.
Responding to criticism that the Central Intelligence Agency failed to forecast the collapse of the Soviet system, its director, Robert M. Gates, today conceded shortcomings in the agency's analysis, but defended its overall performance over the years.
In a speech to the Foreign Policy Association in New York, Mr. Gates, the Director of Central Intelligence, said that although the agency wrote many assessments describing a growing crisis in the Soviet Union, it was not until 1989 that agency analysts began "to think that the entire edifice might well collapse."
Mr. Gates also acknowledged that the agency's statistical analysis portrayed a stronger and larger economy than the one that existed in reality. "From a personal standpoint," he added, "I would contend also that our quantitative analysis always considerably understated the real burden economically of the Soviet military."
During his confirmation hearings last fall, Mr. Gates was widely criticized for having promoted a view of an expansionist, invulnerable Soviet Union in more than a dozen speeches and articles between 1986 and 1988, when he was a senior C.I.A. official. The agency was also faulted for exaggerating the economic and military strength of the Soviet Union.
Adm. Stansfield Turner, who was Director of Central Intelligence from 1977 to 1981, complained in an article last year in the journal Foreign Affairs about "revisionist rumblings that the C.I.A. did in fact see the Soviet collapse emerging after all."
"On this one," Admiral Turner added, "the corporate view missed by a mile." -
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Clara's gonna get a dick stuck in places she doesn't want a dick stuck once she goes to the gulag.GrundleStiltzkin said:
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And you’ll note that this doesn’t refute a fucking word I said. In fact it confirms it. The USSR was teetering. Why did you want to argue about it?SFGbob said:
Again, doesn't refute a fucking word I said. Herb may have been saying it but no one at the CIA was listening to your "expert."HHusky said:
The CIA sure as shit knew Herb Ellison. He was probably on speed dial. Being taught by nationally recognized scholars and experts is an advantage of attending a great university. You can love RR and still acknowledge the USSR was growing quite frail. Some of us voted for RR during his lifetime. He wasn’t perfect, but he was the right man for the time.SFGbob said:
Wow, that didn't refute a fucking word a I just said but I hope it made you feel better. Hell Reagan said it and he believed it before you heard it from Herb. Btw, am I supposed to know who Herb Ellison is?HHusky said:
I remember sitting in Herb Ellison’s class in 1980 or 81. He called it then. It sounded like a fantasy to me at the time. He was right.SFGbob said:
That certainly wasn't the conventional wisdom in 1980 and it wasn't what our own CIA was saying.HHusky said:
The Soviet Union was teetering and RR gave it a shove. He almost undoubtedly hastened its end, but it was going to end.SFGbob said:
The strawman's ass got just got fucked.HardlyClothed said:
Reagan won the Cold War by giving a speech being mean to communism is still the funniest right-wing myth in circulation.RaceBannon said:The socialist dream around the world was crushed under the coolness of the 80's in the West
We buried them. Nice try Nikita
Director Admits C.I.A. Fell Short In Predicting the Soviet Collapse
By ELAINE SCIOLINOMAY 21, 1992
Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems. Please send reports of such problems to archive_feedback@nytimes.com.
Responding to criticism that the Central Intelligence Agency failed to forecast the collapse of the Soviet system, its director, Robert M. Gates, today conceded shortcomings in the agency's analysis, but defended its overall performance over the years.
In a speech to the Foreign Policy Association in New York, Mr. Gates, the Director of Central Intelligence, said that although the agency wrote many assessments describing a growing crisis in the Soviet Union, it was not until 1989 that agency analysts began "to think that the entire edifice might well collapse."
Mr. Gates also acknowledged that the agency's statistical analysis portrayed a stronger and larger economy than the one that existed in reality. "From a personal standpoint," he added, "I would contend also that our quantitative analysis always considerably understated the real burden economically of the Soviet military."
During his confirmation hearings last fall, Mr. Gates was widely criticized for having promoted a view of an expansionist, invulnerable Soviet Union in more than a dozen speeches and articles between 1986 and 1988, when he was a senior C.I.A. official. The agency was also faulted for exaggerating the economic and military strength of the Soviet Union.
Adm. Stansfield Turner, who was Director of Central Intelligence from 1977 to 1981, complained in an article last year in the journal Foreign Affairs about "revisionist rumblings that the C.I.A. did in fact see the Soviet collapse emerging after all."
"On this one," Admiral Turner added, "the corporate view missed by a mile."
