I will always maintain that it is born of guilt. They subconsciously hate the part of themselves that is clearly racist. They only see color and physical attributes , people who don't look like them, which makes them racist. With others, color or ethnicity doesn't register as they use personality and aura to judge a person by. The latter don't have that guilt and don't believe things such as black people are to stupid to know how to get ID to vote or that they (the guilty white liberals) are qualified to judge how many Asians, African Americans, Hispanic or Caucasian need to be accepted to liberal institutions of learning. They are guilty white liberals full of narcissism and elitism, they will determine how the races are to be divided and rewarded in our society and for that they give themselves pats on the back and feel good about themselves. They turn their racism into more racism and somehow it gives them a chubby for doing so.
What sort off "spedtrum" is it when the vast majority of dems feel that blacks are too stupid to bet ID?
That wouldn't be a spectrum, now would it?
And the entire point of my post is that comments like "the vast majority of dems feel that blacks are too stupid to bet ID" are political in their motivation, carry no factual support, and are certainly inconsistent with my experience with liberal democrats.
It would be like me saying the vast majority of Trump supporters are confederate sympathizers who think the wrong side won the war of northern aggression. There are those people after all.
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
As long as you're the one coming to get me bitch.
Lol you're old and flabby
I'm sure you ruled that Best Buy parking lot with an iron fist back in your day, though
I will always maintain that it is born of guilt. They subconsciously hate the part of themselves that is clearly racist. They only see color and physical attributes , people who don't look like them, which makes them racist. With others, color or ethnicity doesn't register as they use personality and aura to judge a person by. The latter don't have that guilt and don't believe things such as black people are to stupid to know how to get ID to vote or that they (the guilty white liberals) are qualified to judge how many Asians, African Americans, Hispanic or Caucasian need to be accepted to liberal institutions of learning. They are guilty white liberals full of narcissism and elitism, they will determine how the races are to be divided and rewarded in our society and for that they give themselves pats on the back and feel good about themselves. They turn their racism into more racism and somehow it gives them a chubby for doing so.
this narrative of the secretly racist, ill-intentioned and self-loathing white person has become hackneyed, especially so in today's political climate. I'm sorry. I know it won't be my big upvote day, but IDRGAF. I know lots of people on all points of the political spectrum. Most of the card-carrying liberals I know well do not believe minorities are stupid, but rather REALLY buy into the idea of the cumulative effects of years of those demographics getting the shit end of the stick. Jim Crow isn't a problem that went away 100 years ago. The country was incredibly racist, and not just in the south, and not that very long ago. It's not the most absurd thing anyone has ever come up with.
yeah, I know there are assholes out there who hide behind liberal politics to mask a more malevolent view of the minority in America. my experience, and it's not inconsiderable, is that they are the exception to the rule.
now don't go twistin' with Kim. I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with classic liberal approaches to trying to "fix" old problems. by and large, I don't. I think affirmative action early on had its place, but I also have huge issues with it and think it's more harmful than helpful in the long run. but I don't know a single white supporter of affirmative action who is really just a racist in sheep's clothing. that's mostly bullshit.
That's kind of always the elitist liberal rub though, minorities who don't vote the way they "should" just don't know any better because of systematic racist oppression. Sorry Creep, there's no room for you to be a minority and hold conservative beliefs of your own volition. Saw plenty of this with the Bernie crowd discounting Hillary being more popular with the black democratic primary voters. It's because "they didn't know any better" that they didn't vote for Bernie.
Lifted from a liberal bored I used to participate in during the last Dem primaries. Lol at the thought that it isn't at least mildly racist.
Also see H's racist meltdown over black "props" of the right.
The trouble with liberal racism is that it's all veiled in the language of political correctness.
Don't get me wrong. I know these things exist on a spectrum, and people acting in a political context will not infrequently marginalize those who they think don't "see the light." Totally agree. But my contention is that, by and large, racism is not a necessary component to that way of thinking. It's a fun narrative that fans the flames; I just don't believe it to be the case as an empirical matter in most instances.
This plays a little into that debate I had with Bob relating to the use of "Uncle Tom". I would posit that, if you were black and lived in Alabama in the Jim Crow era and were voting for segregationist politicians, you were on the wrong team. If you were a slave and weren't for Lincoln and the Union, you probably needed some tutoring from some fucking body. It's just an opinion if I say, "you're a dumbshit if you support David Duke and you're black." Not because I think the black guy is inherently a dumbshit because he's black; but because I think anyone, of any race, who so directly acts against their own interests isn't smart, or at least isn't being very smart in that instance.
It's a much cloudier issue today, I'll grant you that. But even the liberals I know who call out, or question, black or other minority people for being conservative aren't really, or necessarily, racists in the sense that they think that the person is dumb because he's black, or because as a black person he lacks the agency to think and feel however he wishes. It is ultimately rooted in this idea that as a black person he's still on the short-end of things in our society and he ought to support people who advocate for better rules to the game. Again, as I said, it's entirely debatable whether those who (arguably) mean to help are actually helping. That's another debate.
But I get it. It's victim mentality and on some level it does philosophically deprive the black person of the agency to think however he wants. But keep in mind, white people do this with other white people too. We saw it in the last election. "Why are you voting for him? You should be voting for her." That tends to be based more on class and cultural issues, but there you have it. It's just a different expression of the "wrong team" mentality.
To be clear: I believe there are racists who hide behind political correctness. But I also think that's the exception, not the rule. I tend to think, say, that the faculty at UW who taught me how to think have their hearts in the right place and are not secretly racists and don't secretly think that black people inherently can't take care of themselves. They think, or entirely buy in, to the idea that social structures, subtle and otherwise, have put them at a severe disadvantage. They may be wrong in that belief, but it doesn't make them racists.
This is the classic "punching up vs. punching down" though even if we do joke about it. Sure, white people say the same thing about other white people but it's different when they use Race(or Sex) as the cornerstone for dismissing someone's beliefs.
I'll give you that it's racism lite* and not at all the equivalent of say, burning crosses while wearing hoods, but it's still a form of "polite" racism.
To generalize and stereotype based on skin color and to dismiss an individual's ability to reason there of is bigoted. It is racist to believe that entire groups of people are incapable of voting in their self interest and so need to be "guided" even if you base that in some historical perspective. This was, after all, the basis for apartheid...
From my personal experience and as you can probably understand, I grew up with lots of Hispanics who are relatively conservative. Catholic, fled socialismo(and so are free market inclined), and are pretty hard lined on specifically illegal immigration. I've seen plenty of H's brand of liberal racism directed at these people throughout the years. There's plenty of patronizing nonsense about how they must not be educated enough(even if they have a higher level of education), are ignorant, etc. used to dismiss their beliefs. It's just a newer, politer version of The White Man's Burden.
Mind you, I don't think the vast majority of people are doing any of this consciously. I think most of it's simply in-group bias, a lack of awareness and experience with minorities, and plain old ignorance. As you said, I think the number of people "hiding" or knowingly using political correctness to mask their bigotry is the exception rather than the rule.
And to be clear, there's problems with racism on both the Left and the Right in America but I tend to see the "I'm on the Blue team I can't possibly be a racist!" claim a whole lot living in California.
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
Good post. I can't really take issue with any of that. I still hold to a sense that a person can view anybody in a particular set of circumstances and express a view that they're political allegiances are misinformed and not have that based on race. It's not necessarily of the belief that the person's race inherently denies them some freedom of thought when race, qua race, is the fundamental point at issue. Let's take south Africa. I would absolutely tell any black person there at the time who supported the apartheid government that he/she was out of their minds. And, yes, because they're black. It would be like a Jew supporting the Third Reich. Dumb place for your support man.
But we don't have those exigent circumstances, which is why I think it's a little different here and now.
You make a good point about the different expressions of conservative and liberal thought. You have politics and policy, and then you have culture. From cultural standpoint, minority groups are all over the map, and Hispanics are generally speaking a conservative group. It just makes simple and sweeping claims about this shit even less thought-provoking when you factor those things (religion, family, etc.) in to the equation.
At any rate, you got the gist of my original intent, which was to question what used to be a conspiratorial view of liberal philosophy that is now in the mainstream conversation with actual belief. I just don't think most people are that sinister in the motivations. They may be misguided, but that's a far cry from actually thinking that a particular minority group is incapable of coherent thought.
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
Lol the creepy old man is mad as shit
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
Lol the creepy old man is mad as shit
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
Lol the creepy old man is mad as shit
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
Lol the creepy old man is mad as shit
Nope- which makes your quote all the more applicable.
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
the country needs to be purged of scum like sledog, pitchfork, et. al. but i'd like to get something out of them first, so a gulag system seems most appropriate
And here we have the classic Left example of "anyone who disagrees needs to be rounded up and put in a gulag". Keep it up MTG! You are the Best!
I'm sure we can find room for you too. I hope you like mining for sulphur
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
Lol the creepy old man is mad as shit
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
Lol the creepy old man is mad as shit
Nope- which makes your quote all the more applicable.
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
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And the entire point of my post is that comments like "the vast majority of dems feel that blacks are too stupid to bet ID" are political in their motivation, carry no factual support, and are certainly inconsistent with my experience with liberal democrats.
It would be like me saying the vast majority of Trump supporters are confederate sympathizers who think the wrong side won the war of northern aggression. There are those people after all.
I'll give you that it's racism lite* and not at all the equivalent of say, burning crosses while wearing hoods, but it's still a form of "polite" racism.
To generalize and stereotype based on skin color and to dismiss an individual's ability to reason there of is bigoted. It is racist to believe that entire groups of people are incapable of voting in their self interest and so need to be "guided" even if you base that in some historical perspective. This was, after all, the basis for apartheid...
From my personal experience and as you can probably understand, I grew up with lots of Hispanics who are relatively conservative. Catholic, fled socialismo(and so are free market inclined), and are pretty hard lined on specifically illegal immigration. I've seen plenty of H's brand of liberal racism directed at these people throughout the years. There's plenty of patronizing nonsense about how they must not be educated enough(even if they have a higher level of education), are ignorant, etc. used to dismiss their beliefs. It's just a newer, politer version of The White Man's Burden.
Mind you, I don't think the vast majority of people are doing any of this consciously. I think most of it's simply in-group bias, a lack of awareness and experience with minorities, and plain old ignorance. As you said, I think the number of people "hiding" or knowingly using political correctness to mask their bigotry is the exception rather than the rule.
And to be clear, there's problems with racism on both the Left and the Right in America but I tend to see the "I'm on the Blue team I can't possibly be a racist!" claim a whole lot living in California.
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Good post. I can't really take issue with any of that. I still hold to a sense that a person can view anybody in a particular set of circumstances and express a view that they're political allegiances are misinformed and not have that based on race. It's not necessarily of the belief that the person's race inherently denies them some freedom of thought when race, qua race, is the fundamental point at issue. Let's take south Africa. I would absolutely tell any black person there at the time who supported the apartheid government that he/she was out of their minds. And, yes, because they're black. It would be like a Jew supporting the Third Reich. Dumb place for your support man.
But we don't have those exigent circumstances, which is why I think it's a little different here and now.
You make a good point about the different expressions of conservative and liberal thought. You have politics and policy, and then you have culture. From cultural standpoint, minority groups are all over the map, and Hispanics are generally speaking a conservative group. It just makes simple and sweeping claims about this shit even less thought-provoking when you factor those things (religion, family, etc.) in to the equation.
At any rate, you got the gist of my original intent, which was to question what used to be a conspiratorial view of liberal philosophy that is now in the mainstream conversation with actual belief. I just don't think most people are that sinister in the motivations. They may be misguided, but that's a far cry from actually thinking that a particular minority group is incapable of coherent thought.
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd
"I dont know anything about this topic but I'm going to weigh in anyway and you'd better respect my opinion" @MarriotaTheGawd