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Pac 12 Recruiting Rankings through the Petermen Era

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Going to clean this up moar and make it look nice before putting it on Twatter but figured it could provide good fodder for discussion for now. Sorry not sorry @Swaye , it's composite for now. I don't now how to pull the non-composite easily but maybe someone here does.



Petermen obviously trending up even with smaller class sizes. Interesting to see that Utah was as well but fell of this year. USC finally falling off this year. Oregon doesn't look like talent should have been the issue it has been for them. Interesting to see the Cuog! trending down despite their recent "successes". Doovils have stayed upper-middle of the Pac pretty consistently. UCLA consistently doing less with moar as we have all known. Everyone else just sucks.

2020 is shaping up to be as important as we all already know and could be the year Petermen finally gets the top recruiting class in the PAC and a top 10 class nationally. Level Up!
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    Oregon has had a higher ranked class than UW every year of the CP era. Yet Oregon has 11 fewer conference wins the last three seasons (13 counting CCGs.)

    Any Duck fans still think that Cristobal will get more out of his 2019 class than CP?
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,063 Founders Club
    DoogCourics said:

    @UW_Doog_Bot and @Swaye

    Here you are:

    https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12

    If you go to 247 team rankings, it auto sends you to composite. Just delete the word "composite" from the url and you'll get what you're looking for.

    I went ahead and gave you all the links you need so you don't have to jump around, and I sorted it all to the Pac-12 specific for you. Enjoy!

    Exactly what I needed, 247 shows a whole lot more variance for sure but similar trends. There's definitely a lot of variation bc of class sizes. @DoogCourics is there a way to sort the 247 rankings by average score or do I need to just brute force this by taking values and sorting them myself? 2016 is the obvious outlier but if you look at it by average score we jump to 4th instead of 8th.




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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,063 Founders Club
    greenblood said:

    FremontTroll said:

    Oregon has had a higher ranked class than UW every year of the CP era. Yet Oregon has 11 fewer conference wins the last three seasons (13 counting CCGs.)

    Any Duck fans still think that Cristobal will get more out of his 2019 class than CP?

    I can't imagine how? But we do have our quooks out there.

    I like the type of talent Oregon is now bringing in. I still prefer the big boys that UW gets, but Oregon has greatly improved in that area. The key is for Oregon to get as close as they can to the talent level of UW in the trenches. If Oregon does that, they are a LaMichael James, Mariota, or Dennis Dixon type of playmakergood coach away from putting them over the top. Those players coaches are rare for sure, bu Oregon has proven they can still get them from time to time.
    As I've stated, this is the worst case scenario for UW. Oregon continues to kill it in recruiting for another year or two, Mario gets door ass outted, and some up and coming good coach sees the opportunity to push them over the top with real development and coaching.
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    DoogCourics said:

    @UW_Doog_Bot and @Swaye

    Here you are:

    https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12

    If you go to 247 team rankings, it auto sends you to composite. Just delete the word "composite" from the url and you'll get what you're looking for.

    I went ahead and gave you all the links you need so you don't have to jump around, and I sorted it all to the Pac-12 specific for you. Enjoy!

    Exactly what I needed, 247 shows a whole lot more variance for sure but similar trends. There's definitely a lot of variation bc of class sizes. @DoogCourics is there a way to sort the 247 rankings by average score or do I need to just brute force this by taking values and sorting them myself? 2016 is the obvious outlier but if you look at it by average score we jump to 4th instead of 8th.




    What this shows that I don’t know anyone has mentioned yet is we have the highest ranking by star average over the last two years at an average of second place, with Oregon and USC tied at 2.5. This bodes very well with our best two classes likely to come.

    Also, holy shit UCLA.
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Over three years it’s SC #1 at an average rank of second, then UW and UO tied
    at an average rank of 2.67.

    Go back any further and we drop off considerably though obviously if you add Eason to our 2016 class I imagine it would bump us a spot or two.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited February 2019
    My concern is if the current trend continues #1 in the Pac 12 in recruiting might be average on the national stage when you consider how many west coast players are going to Texas and SEC country. A #1 Pac 12 ranking might be 15th in the country. Yeah great...you can have multiple 12-1 seasons, but when Pac 12 teams go out of conference to play somebody with a pulse (Washington included) they will get destroyed.

    I think Oregon, Washington, USC, Stanford, UCLA, and Arizona need to consider merging with the Big 12 to create the first super conference before it's too late. It's only a matter of time before the SEC rounds up Oklahoma and Texas, then it's ball game.

    California, Washington St., Oregon St., ASU, Utah, and Colorado can pull Houston, BYU, Boise St, Fresno St, San Diego St, Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, and Colorado St, and create their own super mid-major conference.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    DoogCourics said:

    @UW_Doog_Bot and @Swaye

    Here you are:

    https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12

    If you go to 247 team rankings, it auto sends you to composite. Just delete the word "composite" from the url and you'll get what you're looking for.

    I went ahead and gave you all the links you need so you don't have to jump around, and I sorted it all to the Pac-12 specific for you. Enjoy!

    Exactly what I needed, 247 shows a whole lot more variance for sure but similar trends. There's definitely a lot of variation bc of class sizes. @DoogCourics is there a way to sort the 247 rankings by average score or do I need to just brute force this by taking values and sorting them myself? 2016 is the obvious outlier but if you look at it by average score we jump to 4th instead of 8th.




    LOL CUOG
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  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    greenblood said:

    My concern is if the current trend continues #1 in the Pac 12 in recruiting might be average on the national stage when you consider how many west coast players are going to Texas and SEC country. A #1 Pac 12 ranking might be 15th in the country. Yeah great...you can have multiple 12-1 seasons, but when Pac 12 teams go out of conference to play somebody with a pulse (Washington included) they will get destroyed.

    I think the fears are overstated of this being a meaningful trend. USC and UCLA are down, SoCal kids are looking elsewhere and are more mobile than ever. The current champs lay to the East so a couple of big tim recruits are heading there. I don't think this is historically all that much different than other periods. Worshington needs to win something big and another team needs to step up to being a meaningful #2 banner bearer for the conference and it'll shift back. Definitely an opportunity for leveling up for all the schools that have a footprint in Socal.
    I put this together a couple weeks ago. This year was an outlier as far as Top-10 recruits leaving the conference, and I agree it's largely due to the LA schools being shit.






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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,063 Founders Club
    UWhuskytskeet said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    greenblood said:

    My concern is if the current trend continues #1 in the Pac 12 in recruiting might be average on the national stage when you consider how many west coast players are going to Texas and SEC country. A #1 Pac 12 ranking might be 15th in the country. Yeah great...you can have multiple 12-1 seasons, but when Pac 12 teams go out of conference to play somebody with a pulse (Washington included) they will get destroyed.

    I think the fears are overstated of this being a meaningful trend. USC and UCLA are down, SoCal kids are looking elsewhere and are more mobile than ever. The current champs lay to the East so a couple of big tim recruits are heading there. I don't think this is historically all that much different than other periods. Worshington needs to win something big and another team needs to step up to being a meaningful #2 banner bearer for the conference and it'll shift back. Definitely an opportunity for leveling up for all the schools that have a footprint in Socal.
    I put this together a couple weeks ago. This year was an outlier as far as Top-10 recruits leaving the conference, and I agree it's largely due to the LA schools being shit.






    Yeah, seems moar like an ESPN talking poont for them to push the narrative of East Coast supremacy further. It's still a relatively low percentage and subject to a swing back with a good year or two of recruiting by West coast teams.
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  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    DoogCourics said:

    DoogCourics said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    DoogCourics said:

    @UW_Doog_Bot and @Swaye

    Here you are:

    https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12
    https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/?Conference=Pac-12

    If you go to 247 team rankings, it auto sends you to composite. Just delete the word "composite" from the url and you'll get what you're looking for.

    I went ahead and gave you all the links you need so you don't have to jump around, and I sorted it all to the Pac-12 specific for you. Enjoy!

    Exactly what I needed, 247 shows a whole lot more variance for sure but similar trends. There's definitely a lot of variation bc of class sizes. @DoogCourics is there a way to sort the 247 rankings by average score or do I need to just brute force this by taking values and sorting them myself? 2016 is the obvious outlier but if you look at it by average score we jump to 4th instead of 8th.




    Unfortunately you can't sort the 247 rankings by average player rating, you have to brute force this by taking the values and sorting them yourself.

    But I went ahead and did it for you on a simple spreadsheet. Check your Inbox brotato.


    @UW_Doog_Bot please use this info to create a new chart.

    As I was pulling the average player rating it was clear that the overall class rankings aren't the thing to follow. Too much awarded for having a large class. I'd love to see the chart for the average level of player being added to each school over time.

    Thanks and I love you!
    Let the circle jerk commence!





























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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:



    So you can definitely see where we've come from. The next few years should put us squarely in the CFP hunt with the talent we have. Some luck and a talented qb(Skinny please!) could be enough to put us over the top.

    Next up, historic look at Clemson Dabo era vs. Peterman era.

    Clearly right in the middle of tier 2. That is excellent. Push it up one more point and you are in rarified air.
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  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    edited February 2019
    Swaye said:

    Great fucking jerb @DoogCourics and @UW_Doog_Bot I have been saying for ages that in addition to never using composite (because fuck ESPN they couldn't find the WC on a map), we should also NEVER use class ranks. It weights size too heavily, which is stupid, and also the reason @Doog_de_Jour doesn't like me.

    The only way looking at recruiting makes sense is using 247 rankings, because while not perfect it is the best of the available bunch, and looking at per recruit average. Who cares if you get 28 kids that are okay, I'd rather have 15 that kick ass.

    Funny when you look at this on a per recruit basis, Pete has kicked Oregons ass 4 years straight (BONEM), though to be fair it was by the narrowest of margins this year. Essentially, this chart shows we are reaching the promised land of the best recruiting in the Pac12. Too bad the land is inhabited by dwarfs, but still. Good chit.

    I wonder if you could simplify things and get a more accurate picture if you just compared the average of the top 10-15 recruits in each class? Actual class quality seems much more heavily dependent on quality at the top rather than the mediocre depth.

    Simplified for morons:
    Class A: 10 5 stars and 10 1 stars = average 3
    Class B: 20 3 stars = average 3

    Both classes would get the same average but one is significantly more desirable/impactful than the other.
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  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    edited February 2019
    UW_Doog_Bot said:



    So you can definitely see where we've come from. The next few years should put us squarely in the CFP hunt with the talent we have. Some luck and a talented qb(Skinny please!) could be enough to put us over the top.

    Next up, historic look at Clemson Dabo era vs. Peterman era.

    @UW_Doog_Bot

    Data for your Dabo vs Peterman.




    Washington Recruiting:

    2015 Recruiting Class - 25th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 6 Four Stars - 17 Three Stars - 85.80 Average - 6 Blue Chip

    2016 Recruiting Class - 37th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 5 Four Stars - 11 Three Stars - 87.18 Average - 5 Blue Chip

    2017 Recruiting Class - 22nd in Country - 0 Five Stars - 8 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 88.22 Average - 8 Blue Chip

    2018 Recruiting Class - 13th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 11 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 90.45 Average - 11 Blue Chip

    2019 Recruiting Class - 11th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 16 Four Stars - 7 Three Stars - 90.70 Average - 16 Blue Chip


    UW rated much much better by 247 with a higher average rating per player, better ranking classes, and more Blue Chip players.



    Clemson Recruiting:

    2009 Recruiting Class - 247 Ratings Unavailable

    2010 Recruiting Class - 247 Ratings Unavailable

    2011 Recruiting Class - 11th in Country - 3 Five Stars - 8 Four Stars - 19 Three Stars - 84.80 Average - 11 Blue Chip

    2012 Recruiting Class - 23rd in Country - 0 Five Stars - 8 Four Stars - 12 Three Stars - 87.85 Average - 8 Blue Chip

    2013 Recruiting Class - 15th in Country - 0 Five Star - 10 Four Stars - 11 Three Stars - 88.04 Average - 10 Blue Chip

    2014 Recruiting Class - 24th in Country - 0 Five Star - 8 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 88.15 Average - 8 Blue Chip

    2015 Recruiting Class - 10th in Country - 3 Five Stars - 8 Four Stars - 11 Three Stars - 87.38 Average - 11 Blue Chip

    2016 Recruiting Class - 8th in Country - 2 Five Star - 12 Four Stars - 6 Three Stars - 90.62 Average - 14 Blue Chip

    2017 Recruiting Class - 19th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 8 Four Stars - 6 Three Stars - 91.64 Average - 8 Blue Chip

    2018 Recruiting Class - 6th in Country - 5 Five Stars - 7 Four Stars - 4 Three Stars - 92.71 Average - 12 Blue Chip

    2019 Recruiting Class - 14th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 11 Four Stars - 16 Three Stars - 89.03 Average - 13 Blue Chip
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  • BayDawg
    BayDawg Member Posts: 1,623
    GrundleStiltzkin said:


    Romar inbounds play?
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