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  • UW_Doog_Bot
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    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

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    But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.

    We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.

    So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
    Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.

    “We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”

    “So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
    Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
    Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.

    But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
    So do you think we shouldn't recognize Taiwan?
    The nationalist government actually controls the island, unlike this guy in Venezuela. Bad example.
    Ah, so you're saying we should recognize whatever government has militarily occupied a territory?
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    SFGbob said:

    The old Soviet System didn't recognize the rule of law and corruption was rampant. The new Russia is exactly the same. The fact that they weren't able to maintain programs that existed under the old Communist system after the collapse was just the inevitable result of a failed Communist state.

    Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.

    Russia needed a capitalist system but they had no infrastructure to do so but we needed to do it anyway, because. Brilliant.
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    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.

    We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.

    So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
    Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.

    “We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”

    “So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
    Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
    Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.

    But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
    So do you think we shouldn't recognize Taiwan?
    The nationalist government actually controls the island, unlike this guy in Venezuela. Bad example.
    Ah, so you're saying we should recognize whatever government has militarily occupied a territory?
    It’s probably better to deal with reality than pretend this other guy is President because he said so
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    The old Soviet System didn't recognize the rule of law and corruption was rampant. The new Russia is exactly the same. The fact that they weren't able to maintain programs that existed under the old Communist system after the collapse was just the inevitable result of a failed Communist state.

    Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.

    Russia needed a capitalist system but they had no infrastructure to do so but we needed to do it anyway, because. Brilliant.
    Infrastructure? You think respect for the rule of laws comes from having roads and building? What are you talking about? Corruption was endemic in the old Soviet system. The Soviets went away, the rot and dysfunction corruption and the lack respect for the rule of law is what remained.
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    edited January 2019
    SFGbob said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    The old Soviet System didn't recognize the rule of law and corruption was rampant. The new Russia is exactly the same. The fact that they weren't able to maintain programs that existed under the old Communist system after the collapse was just the inevitable result of a failed Communist state.

    Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.

    Russia needed a capitalist system but they had no infrastructure to do so but we needed to do it anyway, because. Brilliant.
    Infrastructure? You think respect for the rule of laws comes from having roads and building? What are you talking about? Corruption was endemic in the old Soviet system. The Soviets went away, the rot and dysfunction corruption and the lack respect for the rule of law is what remained.
    Fuck all you’re too stupid to understand the difference between the economic infrastructure capitalism requires (property rights, private credit networks, etc.) and infrastructure of roads and bridges. Just give up man.
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,549 Founders Club
    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.

    We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.

    So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
    Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.

    “We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”

    “So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
    Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
    Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.

    But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
    So do you think we shouldn't recognize Taiwan?
    The nationalist government actually controls the island, unlike this guy in Venezuela. Bad example.
    Ah, so you're saying we should recognize whatever government has militarily occupied a territory?
    It’s probably better to deal with reality than pretend this other guy is President because he said so
    Ah, so we should probably go ahead and recognize ISIS as a sovereign Islamic State then, right?
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,549 Founders Club
    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    The old Soviet System didn't recognize the rule of law and corruption was rampant. The new Russia is exactly the same. The fact that they weren't able to maintain programs that existed under the old Communist system after the collapse was just the inevitable result of a failed Communist state.

    Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.

    Russia needed a capitalist system but they had no infrastructure to do so but we needed to do it anyway, because. Brilliant.
    Infrastructure? You think respect for the rule of laws comes from having roads and building? What are you talking about? Corruption was endemic in the old Soviet system. The Soviets went away, the rot and dysfunction corruption and the lack respect for the rule of law is what remained.
    Fuck all you’re too stupid to understand the difference between the economic infrastructure capitalism requires (property rights, private credit networks, etc.) and infrastructure of roads and bridges. Just give up man.
    Property rights are in fact, not economic infrastructure.
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.

    We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.

    So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
    Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.

    “We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”

    “So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
    Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
    Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.

    But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
    So do you think we shouldn't recognize Taiwan?
    The nationalist government actually controls the island, unlike this guy in Venezuela. Bad example.
    Ah, so you're saying we should recognize whatever government has militarily occupied a territory?
    It’s probably better to deal with reality than pretend this other guy is President because he said so
    Ah, so we should probably go ahead and recognize ISIS as a sovereign Islamic State then, right?
    Well, considering that we helped create them by invading Iraq and fueling the insurgency against Assad, it would only be right.

    Let’s keep expanding this so more extreme and absurd scenarios.
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    The old Soviet System didn't recognize the rule of law and corruption was rampant. The new Russia is exactly the same. The fact that they weren't able to maintain programs that existed under the old Communist system after the collapse was just the inevitable result of a failed Communist state.

    Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.

    Russia needed a capitalist system but they had no infrastructure to do so but we needed to do it anyway, because. Brilliant.
    Infrastructure? You think respect for the rule of laws comes from having roads and building? What are you talking about? Corruption was endemic in the old Soviet system. The Soviets went away, the rot and dysfunction corruption and the lack respect for the rule of law is what remained.
    Fuck all you’re too stupid to understand the difference between the economic infrastructure capitalism requires (property rights, private credit networks, etc.) and infrastructure of roads and bridges. Just give up man.
    Property rights are in fact, not economic infrastructure.
    Explain why semantics police.

    They’re necessary in a capitalist system. That’s the point.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    SFGbob said:

    The old Soviet System didn't recognize the rule of law and corruption was rampant. The new Russia is exactly the same. The fact that they weren't able to maintain programs that existed under the old Communist system after the collapse was just the inevitable result of a failed Communist state.

    Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.

    Russia needed a capitalist system but they had no infrastructure to do so but we needed to do it anyway, because. Brilliant.
    Infrastructure? You think respect for the rule of laws comes from having roads and building? What are you talking about? Corruption was endemic in the old Soviet system. The Soviets went away, the rot and dysfunction corruption and the lack respect for the rule of law is what remained.
    Fuck all you’re too stupid to understand the difference between the economic infrastructure capitalism requires (property rights, private credit networks, etc.) and infrastructure of roads and bridges. Just give up man.
    Hey dipshit. Read what the fuck you said. It wasn't clear what kind of "infrastructure" you were referring to thus my question. What were you talking about?

    Now we know that you were referring to something that isn't infrastructure so tell me again who here is too fucking stupid to understand?
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