Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Is this guy seriously getting misty eyed over the demise of the Soviet Union? Any possibility that gangsterism and theft that arose after the collapse Russian Communism was a direct result of the Soviet system that they had lived under for nearly 80 years?
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
Congratulations, this is what late stage communism looks like. Tell me, what's the difference between "the state" owning the property if "the state" is controlled by a political elite?
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Sounds like you agree with me that if Putin turned back to communism the left would suck his dick
I didn't actually think anyone really believed the bull shit about the workers paradise but looks like I was wrong
Corruption might not have been as big of a problem as killing 20 million of your own citizens but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few million eggs
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Is this guy seriously getting misty eyed over the demise of the Soviet Union? Any possibility that gangsterism and theft that arose after the collapse Russian Communism was a direct result of the Soviet system that they had lived under for nearly 80 years?
Yes. Exactly what he’s doing. and yur the baaaad guy
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Sounds like you agree with me that if Putin turned back to communism the left would suck his dick
I didn't actually think anyone really believed the bull shit about the workers paradise but looks like I was wrong
Corruption might not have been as big of a problem as killing 20 million of your own citizens but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few million eggs
Corruption in the old Soviet system was rampant. I know you know this. The Russians didn't just discovery corruption after the Soviets were no longer in power.
The corruption you now see in Russia is a direct result of the Communist system they all lived under.
All you have to do is look at the cheering section here for the witch hunt and the assault on our elections by the left to see these fucks wouldn't have an issue with offing a few million opponents
Happens everywhere. Its a feature not a bug @WestlinnDuck
All you have to do is look at the cheering section here for the witch hunt and the assault on our elections by the left to see these fucks wouldn't have an issue with offing a few million opponents
Happens everywhere. Its a feature not a bug @WestlinnDuck
You look at what the left gleefully did and continues to do to the MAGA hat wearing teenagers and you can see that they'd have no problem with destroying the lives of people who they disagree with politically.
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Is this guy seriously getting misty eyed over the demise of the Soviet Union? Any possibility that gangsterism and theft that arose after the collapse Russian Communism was a direct result of the Soviet system that they had lived under for nearly 80 years?
Ha, “misty eyed”. The old Soviet union was not a good place to live. But for the average citizen, modern Russia is worse in many ways. This isn’t really a contested position.
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Sounds like you agree with me that if Putin turned back to communism the left would suck his dick
I didn't actually think anyone really believed the bull shit about the workers paradise but looks like I was wrong
Corruption might not have been as big of a problem as killing 20 million of your own citizens but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few million eggs
Corruption in the old Soviet system was rampant. I know you know this. The Russians didn't just discovery corruption after the Soviets were no longer in power.
The corruption you now see in Russia is a direct result of the Communist system they all lived under.
Yes, just discount voodoo shock doctrine neoliberal economics that transfered enormous wealth to the oligarchs and left the average Russian worse. Absolutely nothing to do with it.
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Is this guy seriously getting misty eyed over the demise of the Soviet Union? Any possibility that gangsterism and theft that arose after the collapse Russian Communism was a direct result of the Soviet system that they had lived under for nearly 80 years?
Ha, “misty eyed”. The old Soviet union was not a good place to live. But for the average citizen, modern Russia is worse in many ways. This isn’t really a contested position.
But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.
We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.
So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.
“We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”
“So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Is this guy seriously getting misty eyed over the demise of the Soviet Union? Any possibility that gangsterism and theft that arose after the collapse Russian Communism was a direct result of the Soviet system that they had lived under for nearly 80 years?
Ha, “misty eyed”. The old Soviet union was not a good place to live. But for the average citizen, modern Russia is worse in many ways. This isn’t really a contested position.
How is life in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungry and what was formally East Germany?
Soviet era communism is responsible for how fucked up Russia is today, blaming Clinton or the west or the US for how screwed up they are today is bullshit.
But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.
We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.
So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.
“We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”
“So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.
But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.
We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.
So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.
“We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”
“So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.
But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.
We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.
So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.
“We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”
“So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.
But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
You mean don't recognize a different government when the old government is a Socialist government that you support.
Putin is a right-wing nationalist leading an oligarchy of billionaires who made their money by acquiring (stealing) state assets during post-Soviet privatization.
But the left would love him.
If he revived the Soviet Union? Yes, that's what I wrote
What's the difference between Putin and your run of the mill commie? They stole the assets the commies had stolen. Its still the state uber alles
Well one basic difference is that the enormous wealth is held privately by a priveleged few and not controlled by the state.
That's actually not different at all
In old Soviet Union some people were always more equal than others and the "state" was the thugs who ran the party and lived in fabulous Dachas
There is more wealth now so that's different
Yes, corruption was the biggest problem and the downfall of the Soviet Union. Not disputing that.
Before the fall in ‘91 the average person was better off than they are now due to flawed but effective state programs. Privatization in the mid 90s led to the biggest decline in life expectancy (outside of war) in the entire 20th century as those services were cut and state owned assets were snatched up by the current oligarchs. The Clinton admin mangled the post-Soviet economic transition.
Is this guy seriously getting misty eyed over the demise of the Soviet Union? Any possibility that gangsterism and theft that arose after the collapse Russian Communism was a direct result of the Soviet system that they had lived under for nearly 80 years?
Ha, “misty eyed”. The old Soviet union was not a good place to live. But for the average citizen, modern Russia is worse in many ways. This isn’t really a contested position.
How is life in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungry and what was formally East Germany?
Soviet era communism is responsible for how fucked up Russia is today, blaming Clinton or the west or the US for how screwed up they are today is bullshit.
It’s both the soviet legacy and the mismanaged transition you dunce. Clinton intervened in ‘96 to save drunk off his ass Yeltsin against a communist party election victory. Putin, protege of Yeltsin, stepped in after Yeltsin’s government went to shit, predictably.
But it is a coup. The end goal is clearly for the military to depose Maduro and elevate this guy noone had heard of 48 hours ago.
We have no business meddling like that. Her statement is good and correct.
So you are on record as supporting a communist dictator rigging elections and using violence to suppress legitimate elections?
Ah yes, saying we have no business interventing there means I also support the dictatorship.
“We shouldn’t invade Iraq it will be a disaster”
“So you’re on record as supporting Saddam and his violent repression of his people? Traitor!!!”
Who said anything about invasion? Oh right, your conflating to make it a binary choice. I'm on record as saying we should condemn dictators using mass murder to stay in power. It's a wild fucking stance to take, I know.
Ok fine, condemn them. That’s it. I don’t have a problem with saying Maduro is bad.
But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
So do you think we shouldn't recognize Taiwan?
The nationalist government actually controls the island, unlike this guy in Venezuela. Bad example.
The old Soviet System didn't recognize the rule of law and corruption was rampant. The new Russia is exactly the same. The fact that they weren't able to maintain programs that existed under the old Communist system after the collapse was just the inevitable result of a failed Communist state.
Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.
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I didn't actually think anyone really believed the bull shit about the workers paradise but looks like I was wrong
Corruption might not have been as big of a problem as killing 20 million of your own citizens but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few million eggs
The corruption you now see in Russia is a direct result of the Communist system they all lived under.
Happens everywhere. Its a feature not a bug @WestlinnDuck
Soviet era communism is responsible for how fucked up Russia is today, blaming Clinton or the west or the US for how screwed up they are today is bullshit.
But don’t intervene and recognize a different government. Not our business.
Russia needed a capitalistic system but to make that happen you have to have property rights and the rule of law. They don't have that precisely because of the Soviet system they lived under not because anything Clinton did or didn't do.