Under rated quote and more evidence that she is the left wing Trump
“I say true things all the time – I’d hope most do. When does Politifact choose to rate true statements?” she said.
Her Twitterstorm comes a day after she said in an interview with CBS’ “60 Minutes” that critics seizing on false words or figures are “missing the forest for the trees.”
“I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” she told host Anderson Cooper in the interview that aired Sunday.
She went on to say that her mistakes shouldn’t be equated with false comments made by President Trump.
“Whenever I make a mistake. I say, ‘OK, this was clumsy,’ and then I restate what my point was. But it’s not the same thing as the president lying about immigrants. It’s not the same thing, at all,” Ocasio-Cortez said.
But the Washington Post fact-checkers haven’t been easy on Trump.
Both shoot from the hip and if you aren't a fly speck literalist you usually know where they are going. After two years of daily threads here on Trump said this!!!!1111!!!!!! we get the same for Cortez
Its stupid IMO
I’m not scared of the Trump comparisons. It was there with Bernie and it’s there with AOC. If anything comparing her to the president just legitimizes her.
The comparison isn't meant as an insult. More a cautionary tale and I really do think this daily literal nonsense of he said she said is stupid
I've been making the comparison for some time now because the REAL enemy is the entrenched establishment. Cortez as President would find the same road blocks that Trump is finding. We really aren't a dictatorship. That's another stupid idea that gets thrown around
I'm more than happy to focus the debate on how socialist we want to be keeping capitalism as our base line. I'm not a purist
[Principle of charity
In philosophy and rhetoric, the principle of charity or charitable interpretation requires interpreting a speaker's statements in the most rational way possible and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation.[1] In its narrowest sense, the goal of this methodological principle is to avoid attributing irrationality, logical fallacies, or falsehoods to the others' statements, when a coherent, rational interpretation of the statements is available. According to Simon Blackburn[2] "it constrains the interpreter to maximize the truth or rationality in the subject's sayings."]
Completely lost on partisan politics and the media. There's often a nugget of something Trump is saying that isn't completely off base but he does a hell of a job of wrapping it in a bunch of lambastable rhetoric. See California's mismanagement of the forests and wildfires, there's truth behind what he's saying but he made it in such a clumsy way.
When you can't ever give the other side the benefit of a charitable interpretation it just makes you look petty and discredits your own integrity. This is what the media can't seem to fathom when they constantly are on the offensive for any little detail. Trump throws out so many wrong details that it makes them waist their time and look silly chasing them all while missing the point he's making to his base.
And you are right that they are starting to do it to AOC. She's not a groomed talker but what she's saying is authentic if not factually correct ex. She cares about global warming and feels it's a pressing issue, which her base can connect with, even if the world isn't ending in 12 years. It's a lot more likable than someone like Hillary that has all the groomed talking points, is factually and technically correct, but comes off as completely inauthentic and evasive.
I think that’s a fair comment. I’d counter with a few points.
1. She has so much ground to make up that a brisk pace is important. We are certainly passing brisk currently though.
2. Trump has changed the standards in political coverage. If this was 4 years ago I’d be terrified of burn out but now it just kinda seems normal.
And finally, her goal should be for a Democrat that supports her policies to win the White House in 2020. Assuming that’s the case, this is the correct pace.
I do wonder if Trump won't be stale by 2020. We? are awfully fickle about our 15 minutes. If Trump wins she has a good shot to be the face of the opposition for his second term. Because there isn't anymore skin on Nancy's face to stretch.
AOC was the only democrat to vote against the democrats on a meaningless open the government bill because it funded ICE. Smart move
I'd say there's a whole hoast of GOP regulars that will tally up and vote Trump for the party line now that a lot of his talk has proved to be just that, talk.
The real question is if he can continue to keep the Dems white working class base from them. So far, they seem to be doubling down on alienating that group though.
I think doubling down on alienating them is a bullshit narrative. Some of the social stuff does, for sure, but this is the same voting block that voted for Obama because he was black and well spoken. The same voting block that liked Bernie. And the same block Trump won using specific language to appeal to them. You give them a reason to vote for you and I believe the differences on social issues become less important.
Progressives have thrown a lot of stuff out there but, I’ll be honest, it hasn’t stuck yet. I still think Medicare For All could be the hook. No one gets fucked harder by insurance companies than the working class. I think the Green New Deal could be the hook. I’d like to see people like AOC shift the messaging away from the world and make it American centric. Something like “this threatens our way of life” would be better than “the world is going to end”.
What’s going to alienate that voting block is running a moderate Democrat out there that thinks they can win on “not Trump”. There was just a thread yesterday where creepycoug basically said the Democrats can do whatever they want and progressives will just have to fall in line. They’re not interested in giving anyone a reason to vote for them. That’s the reason Trump owns them.
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In philosophy and rhetoric, the principle of charity or charitable interpretation requires interpreting a speaker's statements in the most rational way possible and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation.[1] In its narrowest sense, the goal of this methodological principle is to avoid attributing irrationality, logical fallacies, or falsehoods to the others' statements, when a coherent, rational interpretation of the statements is available. According to Simon Blackburn[2] "it constrains the interpreter to maximize the truth or rationality in the subject's sayings."]
Completely lost on partisan politics and the media. There's often a nugget of something Trump is saying that isn't completely off base but he does a hell of a job of wrapping it in a bunch of lambastable rhetoric. See California's mismanagement of the forests and wildfires, there's truth behind what he's saying but he made it in such a clumsy way.
When you can't ever give the other side the benefit of a charitable interpretation it just makes you look petty and discredits your own integrity. This is what the media can't seem to fathom when they constantly are on the offensive for any little detail. Trump throws out so many wrong details that it makes them waist their time and look silly chasing them all while missing the point he's making to his base.
And you are right that they are starting to do it to AOC. She's not a groomed talker but what she's saying is authentic if not factually correct ex. She cares about global warming and feels it's a pressing issue, which her base can connect with, even if the world isn't ending in 12 years. It's a lot more likable than someone like Hillary that has all the groomed talking points, is factually and technically correct, but comes off as completely inauthentic and evasive.