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Both the rise in cost(and decline in quality) of academis and healthcare can be directly correlated with when the government started "making it affordable". Administrators and Bureaucrats pocket the extra money while the majority of people pick up the check and suppliers can supply a lower quality product at the same price.greenblood said:Free college? How about the colleges make it more affordable? Stop paying
professorsbureaucrats and administrators $200k+ per year.
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I'm in!PurpleThrobber said:
Well, yeah....I'm the Throbber. They'll flock to the candidate ala Donna Rice. Except hotter. You can be in charge of filtering out the ugly ones. And by filtering out, I mean, getting a hummer from the ugly ones. The Throbber can overlook certain deficiencies in the looks department in exchange for mad oral skillz.creepycoug said:
Can I be your campaign manager? Will there be girls?PurpleThrobber said:
Free college is just another way to shift $$$ to the elitist academics. Those fucks at universities are already well-compensated as financed by crushing college debt.creepycoug said:
Bullshit. Medicare is the only one on that list I'm willing to pay for. Average person can't save enough to be properly insured in old age, and there comes a point when working isn't an option. On that point, I'm left of center. People need healthcare, and while we're figuring it out, Medicare needs to remain funded. I'll leave it to the experts whether it needs an overhaul like Welfare, but philosophically that's something that should be there as part of a decent safety net.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Free college? Fuck that. 70%? Fuck you. Green New Deal? Tell me what it is first.
Yes, I want a moderate Democrat. And that's how they'll win. Parade another banana in front of the electorate and watch what happens.
Besides, who are they? going to vote for if they're disenchanted with the moderate candidate? Didn't Bernie teach them all a lesson in splitting the vote?
Jimminy Christmas I can't believe you believe that.
I'm down with some form of health care for all. I don't have a philosophical issue providing basic care for all, focusing on prevention and wellness. You want Cadillac coverage, pay for it just like now.
Bring home a few more troops and scale back on military and international aid. Get shit back in order at home - rebuild infrastructure (crumbing bridges, highways, dams, etc.) and focus on providing cheap, high speed broadband for every corner of the country. Just like the interstate highway system changed the game in the 50's and 60's, the web is doing the same in the 21st century. Put big $$$ on that - both in hardware and brainware trying to make it even better.
Fuck the green shit as priority #1. The Chinese and Indians are fucking up the world 100x what the US is causing. Don't worry about things you can't control.
Throbber 2020 (D). Hope. Change. Tittays.
And in the interest of transparency, all sexual related activities in the campaign will be posted to pornhub.com. Especially late night drunken hook ups with the hottie political commentators like Hallie Jackson when she's looking good...not the ragged out version.
In exchange for a moderate campaign contribution from pornhub.com, of course.
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Yeah, this is, sadly, just all correct, except for the one fix.RaceBannon said:This took an interesting turn. Two things. When APAG says Trump owns establishment Democrats he means can beat them.
My point was that one of the things that works against Trump is tone and decorum but the Muslim chick calling him a motherfucker and doubling down on lying about the Kentucky kids plays to his mudder strengths. Maybe throw some female genital mutilation in.
2020 wont be about free shit it will be about general us v them shit. Hillary lost because she insulted herbaseeverybody. The key to victory is getting them back IMO -
You are so fucking wrong it's almost @StrongArmCobra level.allpurpleallgold said:
Following this line of thinking led the Democrats to losing everything over the course of 20 years. Go ahead and lose again. I give zero fucks about winning in 2020.creepycoug said:
Bullshit. Medicare is the only one on that list I'm willing to pay for. Average person can't save enough to be properly insured in old age, and there comes a point when working isn't an option. On that point, I'm left of center. People need healthcare, and while we're figuring it out, Medicare needs to remain funded. I'll leave it to the experts whether it needs an overhaul like Welfare, but philosophically that's something that should be there as part of a decent safety net.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Free college? Fuck that. 70%? Fuck you. Green New Deal? Tell me what it is first.
Yes, I want a moderate Democrat. And that's how they'll win. Parade another banana in front of the electorate and watch what happens.
Besides, who are they? going to vote for if they're disenchanted with the moderate candidate? Didn't Bernie teach them all a lesson in splitting the vote?
Jimminy Christmas I can't believe you believe that.
First of, setting wining aside, which I think we all agree is its own analysis, I just don't believe in a lot of that shit. Build and fund a sound safety net. Social Security, Medicare, Reasonable Financial Aid for deserving students, etc. All good.
Free College? Hate to reference bobsled, but he's right: what the fuck is that even? Same with Green Deal. What is it? And what do we? have to give up to have it? Because taxing Besos, Gates, the Oracle and their buddies at 70 won't do diddly shit. You know who that's really gonna hit? Me.
And it's not necessary. We don't need free college. We don't need more college students. Let's face it. You take WSU or Arizona, two schools that drew a lot of the kids my kids went to school with. These are not intellectual giants we're educating here. These are kids who are completely checking the college box and who spend most of their time taking Greek party pictures to make sure everyone knows they're in "college", or what they and their stupid parents think college is. It ain't that. We don't need more of that.
The people who will benefit from a college education and put it to work their whole lives through will find a way. There is still $$ out there.
Focus on the things that matter. Tell a 40K a year guy that he's going to have his SS and he and his wife will have health insurance when they're 70. That is what they are worried about. Not free fucking college and green deals. Jimminy. -
I didn’t say either of those things. We already pay for college and healthcare.SFGbob said:
We don't provide "free" college and the Federal government still doesn't pay for most people's healthcare.allpurpleallgold said:
We already pay for college and healthcare. Things we already pay for are going to bankrupt the country?Swaye said:I just did some quick 5 minute research on the free college thing. Most surveys and polls in the last two years seem to indicate about 2/3rds of Americans support it, so APAG is technically correct. But, nowhere in the surveys I found were any costs mentioned. I would be interested to see the results when the question is asked do you support free college, and your state and federal taxes will rise by XXX percentage to pay for it. I think the answers would be much different. Perhaps not.
I didn't bother to look at the laundry list of other shit because even though I am stupid I know that would bankrupt the country trying to pay for green deals, and free college and health care for all. Even soaking the rich at 70% wouldn't finance all of that shit. You'd have to raise taxes dramatically on the middle class and sort of rich as well, thereby negating most of the benefit. But hey, the really dirt poor would gets lots of free shit and keep voting for AOC. so there's that. -
I am waiting for AOC's 12 year plan while in congress. If the world is going to end does free healthcare even matter? Education? Anyone over 40 should immediately retire and spend their last 12 years having fun right? We have nothing to worry about. In 10 years I will stop paying any rent or mortgage because it takes that long for banks and property owners to kick you out. I am kind of liking this certainty AOC has heaped upon us.allpurpleallgold said:That’s right, Ayanna Presley.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-joins-powerful-house-oversight-committee/amp/
Oh and ya girl.
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Retirement is for losers. My aging wife and I haven't had insurance since I started bouncing jobs in my mid life crisis as Obamacare took effectcreepycoug said:
You are so fucking wrong it's almost @StrongArmCobra level.allpurpleallgold said:
Following this line of thinking led the Democrats to losing everything over the course of 20 years. Go ahead and lose again. I give zero fucks about winning in 2020.creepycoug said:
Bullshit. Medicare is the only one on that list I'm willing to pay for. Average person can't save enough to be properly insured in old age, and there comes a point when working isn't an option. On that point, I'm left of center. People need healthcare, and while we're figuring it out, Medicare needs to remain funded. I'll leave it to the experts whether it needs an overhaul like Welfare, but philosophically that's something that should be there as part of a decent safety net.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Free college? Fuck that. 70%? Fuck you. Green New Deal? Tell me what it is first.
Yes, I want a moderate Democrat. And that's how they'll win. Parade another banana in front of the electorate and watch what happens.
Besides, who are they? going to vote for if they're disenchanted with the moderate candidate? Didn't Bernie teach them all a lesson in splitting the vote?
Jimminy Christmas I can't believe you believe that.
First of, setting wining aside, which I think we all agree is its own analysis, I just don't believe in a lot of that shit. Build and fund a sound safety net. Social Security, Medicare, Reasonable Financial Aid for deserving students, etc. All good.
Free College? Hate to reference bobsled, but he's right: what the fuck is that even? Same with Green Deal. What is it? And what do we? have to give up to have it? Because taxing Besos, Gates, the Oracle and their buddies at 70 won't do diddly shit. You know who that's really gonna hit? Me.
And it's not necessary. We don't need free college. We don't need more college students. Let's face it. You take WSU or Arizona, two schools that drew a lot of the kids my kids went to school with. These are not intellectual giants we're educating here. These are kids who are completely checking the college box and who spend most of their time taking Greek party pictures to make sure everyone knows they're in "college", or what they and their stupid parents think college is. It ain't that. We don't need more of that.
The people who will benefit from a college education and put it to work their whole lives through will find a way. There is still $$ out there.
Focus on the things that matter. Tell a 40K a year guy that he's going to have his SS and he and his wife will have health insurance when they're 70. That is what they are worried about. Not free fucking college and green deals. Jimminy.
It's an issue for sure. The cost now is ridiculous
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I don't think you realize what the fuck you're saying. In response to people saying Medicare for all and "free" college will bankrupt us you said that we're already paying for them so how could they possible bankrupt us.allpurpleallgold said:
I didn’t say either of those things. We already pay for college and healthcare.SFGbob said:
We don't provide "free" college and the Federal government still doesn't pay for most people's healthcare.allpurpleallgold said:
We already pay for college and healthcare. Things we already pay for are going to bankrupt the country?Swaye said:I just did some quick 5 minute research on the free college thing. Most surveys and polls in the last two years seem to indicate about 2/3rds of Americans support it, so APAG is technically correct. But, nowhere in the surveys I found were any costs mentioned. I would be interested to see the results when the question is asked do you support free college, and your state and federal taxes will rise by XXX percentage to pay for it. I think the answers would be much different. Perhaps not.
I didn't bother to look at the laundry list of other shit because even though I am stupid I know that would bankrupt the country trying to pay for green deals, and free college and health care for all. Even soaking the rich at 70% wouldn't finance all of that shit. You'd have to raise taxes dramatically on the middle class and sort of rich as well, thereby negating most of the benefit. But hey, the really dirt poor would gets lots of free shit and keep voting for AOC. so there's that.
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Throbber 2020
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Professors themselves are fine, but their pay is definitely part of the problem. Professor pay is part of a systematic issue with the entire college system of wasteful spending. I wonder how nationalizing it will fix it. It’s almost like putting an even more inefficient system in charge might make it worse.Pitchfork51 said:
The professor's aren't the problem.greenblood said:Free college? How about the colleges make it more affordable? Stop paying professors $200k+ per year.
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Let's get this train (intentional) rolling before SMOD 2016 gets ramped up for 2020!Pitchfork51 said:Throbber 2020
Porn > Mass destruction of the human race.
And this healthcare nonsense - you old and want to live forever, you pay for the luxury plan. Just because your 60 year old kid can't pull the plug on you, doesn't mean you should spend 1/2 of your annual healthcare costs to make it another 3 weeks and stick the rest of us with your egotastic pussy kid's decision.
You middle aged and want your massages covered, you/your employer pay the luxury plan. Colonscopies - covered. Mammograms - covered. Vasectomies - covered.
You young - get your fat ass off the couch and quit playing Fortnight and all your condoms, all your annual checkups, all your vaccines and all your pap smears...covered. But get your fat ass up and start moving. Otherwise, when you break down in old age, you pay for the fancy combo lipo-suction/diabetes med/quadruple bypass yourself with the luxury plan.
This shit isn't that hard.
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All campaign workers will be "models who serve"
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Pics?Swaye said:
Oh I know there are millions, but you are talking over 150 million for it to be half the country +. That's a shitload of people. I don't know any of them. I take that back. One of the toothless white trash bitches four trailers down is always sitting on her front porch yelling about needing to go to the free clinic. So there's one.2001400ex said:
Hey dick. I don't need to wait for facts, I make my own.Swaye said:
Really? The majority of Americans want all that? I won't dispute it, because I don't have any facts in front of me, and if the Tug has taught me one thing it is to wait for facts (wish Hondo could learn that). But that seems unbelievable to me. I have banged out plenty of 20 somethings in the last several years and none of them wanted any of that. And I don't know a single person in the late 30's-late 40's age bracket that wants any of that. Where are all the tens of millions of people who want this? Urban areas? I am actually curious. (bi-curious joke incoming).allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
That being said, the vast majority want Medicare for all. I'm not sure on the other stuff, but there are millions of people that want it all. -
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
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Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact. -
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact. -
Most people want free shit. But most people are dipshits. There's a reason the dumbest mother fuckers on this site are freeshitting liberal cuntards.Swaye said:I just did some quick 5 minute research on the free college thing. Most surveys and polls in the last two years seem to indicate about 2/3rds of Americans support it, so APAG is technically correct. But, nowhere in the surveys I found were any costs mentioned. I would be interested to see the results when the question is asked do you support free college, and your state and federal taxes will rise by XXX percentage to pay for it. I think the answers would be much different. Perhaps not.
I didn't bother to look at the laundry list of other shit because even though I am stupid I know that would bankrupt the country trying to pay for green deals, and free college and health care for all. Even soaking the rich at 70% wouldn't finance all of that shit. You'd have to raise taxes dramatically on the middle class and sort of rich as well, thereby negating most of the benefit. But hey, the really dirt poor would gets lots of free shit and keep voting for AOC. so there's that. -
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact. -
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact. -
Fox viewers, who lean right. Want socialized medicine.RaceBannon said:
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Is that too hard to understand? -
But they are stupid white trash so who gives a fuck what they want2001400ex said:
Fox viewers, who lean right. Want socialized medicine.RaceBannon said:
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Is that too hard to understand?
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31,000 online votes. The science is settled
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Hell no. I watch Fox News, as well as the other cable news networks, on occasion. (All of them are generally ridiculous though). Chris Wallace is great. Fox News polling is really good too.RaceBannon said:
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact. -
You have no idea if those numbers come from Fox News viewers2001400ex said:
Fox viewers, who lean right. Want socialized medicine.RaceBannon said:
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Is that too hard to understand?
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"lol"CirrhosisDawg said:
Hell no. I watch Fox News, as well as the other cable news networks, on occasion. (All of them are generally ridiculous though). Chris Wallace is great. Fox News polling is really good too.RaceBannon said:
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact. -
Ima do this once.SFGbob said:
I don't think you realize what the fuck you're saying. In response to people saying Medicare for all and "free" college will bankrupt us you said that we're already paying for them so how could they possible bankrupt us.allpurpleallgold said:
I didn’t say either of those things. We already pay for college and healthcare.SFGbob said:
We don't provide "free" college and the Federal government still doesn't pay for most people's healthcare.allpurpleallgold said:
We already pay for college and healthcare. Things we already pay for are going to bankrupt the country?Swaye said:I just did some quick 5 minute research on the free college thing. Most surveys and polls in the last two years seem to indicate about 2/3rds of Americans support it, so APAG is technically correct. But, nowhere in the surveys I found were any costs mentioned. I would be interested to see the results when the question is asked do you support free college, and your state and federal taxes will rise by XXX percentage to pay for it. I think the answers would be much different. Perhaps not.
I didn't bother to look at the laundry list of other shit because even though I am stupid I know that would bankrupt the country trying to pay for green deals, and free college and health care for all. Even soaking the rich at 70% wouldn't finance all of that shit. You'd have to raise taxes dramatically on the middle class and sort of rich as well, thereby negating most of the benefit. But hey, the really dirt poor would gets lots of free shit and keep voting for AOC. so there's that.
The people currently paying for people to go college in this country are US taxpayers. The people currently paying for healthcare in this country are the US taxpayers. The people that would pay for college and healthcare under Bernie’s plans are the US taxpayers. We. Are. Already. Paying. For. It.
See, you can say Medicare For All would cost 32 trillion but our current system is going to cost over 34 trillion over the same time span. So when you say “how are you going to pay for it?” what you’re asking is how are we going to save the taxpayers more than 2 trillion dollars. You take the 34 trillion, we were going to spend, you subtract 2 trillion and you’ve got 32 trillion. And that 32 trillion number comes from a Koch brothers study, I’ve seen another study that says it’ll cost 27 trillion. We’re going to bankrupt America by saving it 7 trillion dollars. Who the fuck taught you math. -
But $32 trillion dollars!!!allpurpleallgold said:
Ima do this once.SFGbob said:
I don't think you realize what the fuck you're saying. In response to people saying Medicare for all and "free" college will bankrupt us you said that we're already paying for them so how could they possible bankrupt us.allpurpleallgold said:
I didn’t say either of those things. We already pay for college and healthcare.SFGbob said:
We don't provide "free" college and the Federal government still doesn't pay for most people's healthcare.allpurpleallgold said:
We already pay for college and healthcare. Things we already pay for are going to bankrupt the country?Swaye said:I just did some quick 5 minute research on the free college thing. Most surveys and polls in the last two years seem to indicate about 2/3rds of Americans support it, so APAG is technically correct. But, nowhere in the surveys I found were any costs mentioned. I would be interested to see the results when the question is asked do you support free college, and your state and federal taxes will rise by XXX percentage to pay for it. I think the answers would be much different. Perhaps not.
I didn't bother to look at the laundry list of other shit because even though I am stupid I know that would bankrupt the country trying to pay for green deals, and free college and health care for all. Even soaking the rich at 70% wouldn't finance all of that shit. You'd have to raise taxes dramatically on the middle class and sort of rich as well, thereby negating most of the benefit. But hey, the really dirt poor would gets lots of free shit and keep voting for AOC. so there's that.
The people currently paying for people to go college in this country are US taxpayers. The people currently paying for healthcare in this country are the US taxpayers. The people that would pay for college and healthcare under Bernie’s plans are the US taxpayers. We. Are. Already. Paying. For. It.
See, you can say Medicare For All would cost 32 trillion but our current system is going to cost over 34 trillion over the same time span. So when you say “how are you going to pay for it?” what you’re asking is how are we going to save the taxpayers more than 2 trillion dollars. You take the 34 trillion, we were going to spend, you subtract 2 trillion and you’ve got 32 trillion. And that 32 trillion number comes from a Koch brothers study, I’ve seen another study that says it’ll cost 27 trillion. We’re going to bankrupt America by saving it 7 trillion dollars. Who the fuck taught you math. -
SFGbob said:
You have no idea if those numbers come from Fox News viewers2001400ex said:
Fox viewers, who lean right. Want socialized medicine.RaceBannon said:
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Is that too hard to understand?
Online polls are routinely spammed by groups and individuals in order to intentionally skew their results
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Haven't you abused the strawman's asshole enough for one day Hondo?2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
You have no idea if those numbers come from Fox News viewers2001400ex said:
Fox viewers, who lean right. Want socialized medicine.RaceBannon said:
What facts? FOX viewers aren't stupid white trash? @CirrhosisDawg ? TRUE??!!!2001400ex said:
Race hates facts. It interrupts his circle jerk of nonsense with Bob and Damone.RaceBannon said:
An online poll from FOX viewers who are stupid white trash according to some experts hereSFGbob said:
Got to love how Hondo the polling expert thinks the results from an online poll are meaningful. To call you a dumbfuck Hondo is to insult all other dumbfucks.2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
If you explained the cost of Medicare for all and "free" college and your green new deal support for those program would drop. That poll might as well have asked would you like eating ice cream and cake if you knew you weren't going to gain any weight.allpurpleallgold said:We had a moderate Democrat in the White House for 8 years and he did fuck all.
The majority of Americans support Medicare for all, free college, green new deal, raising minimum wage and a 70% top tax rate. But Democrats need to run someone who doesn’t support those things to win? Like the last democratic nominee? Not like Bernie Sanders, who happens to be the most popular politician in America.
If you want a moderate Democrat as the nominee in 2020 it’s because you want the Democrats to lose. Simple fact.
Is that too hard to understand?
Online polls are routinely spammed by groups and individuals in order to intentionally skew their results
Right and Democrats are the only ones who spam online polls.
