The "crisis" at the border

insinceredawg

Here are actual facts about the border situation. I fail to see how this is a national crisis that justifies shutting down the government and putting almost 1M federal workers out of work. Any Trump supporters care to share any facts to dispute these or you just gonna keep your heads in the sand and beg for a stupid wall? My money is on the latter.

-The number of illegal border crossings dropped significantly this decade.


-In 2017 where the most recent data is available, more than twice as many illegal immigrants overstayed their visas (700k) than crossed through the southern border (300k).
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/10/683662691/where-does-illegal-immigration-mostly-occur-heres-what-the-data-tell-us

-It's true that the majority of illegal drugs comes through the southern border but most if it comes through legal ports of entry rather than in the middle of the desert. A wall isn't going to stop it.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/08/most-hard-drugs-get-smuggled-into-u-s-through-ports-entry/2517586002/

SFGbob

The wall should have been built years ago. Can you show me where Trump has claimed that a wall would stop all illegal drugs coming into this county? Using your standard, you just lied.

Also, using the article you posted the other day from the NYTimes they cited the number of illegals apprehended coming into the country each day as 1,700, remember? You and they used that number to call Trump a "liar" because he had said there were "thousands" being arrested every day when the real number was only 1,700 a day.

1,700 x 365 = 620,500. You lied again.

insinceredawg

When did I say Trump claimed that a wall would stop ALL drugs. By your standard, you lied again.

SFGbob

insinceredawg said:

When did I say Trump claimed that a wall would stop ALL drugs. By your standard, you lied again.

You didn't, the source you cut and pasted did. Are you saying you disagree with the "facts" you and Hondo were blowing each other over?


It's true that the majority of illegal drugs comes through the southern border but most if it comes through legal ports of entry rather than in the middle of the desert. A wall isn't going to stop it.

insinceredawg

So to summarize since you didn't get the point..

-Illegal border crossings are down
-Over 50% of illegal immigrants come over legally
-Majority of drugs are smuggled over through legal ports of entry

With that in mind, how effective do you think this wall will actually be? Do you think this wall is a legitimate reason to shut down the government, putting our national security at risk and placing hundreds of thousands of people out of work? Try to respond like a normal human without whining about lying or ass licking for once.

SFGbob

insinceredawg said:

So to summarize since you didn't get the point..

-Illegal border crossings are down
-Over 50% of illegal immigrants come over legally
-Majority of drugs are smuggled over through legal ports of entry

With that in mind, how effective do you think this wall will actually be? Do you think this wall is a legitimate reason to shut down the government, putting our national security at risk and placing hundreds of thousands of people out of work? Try to respond like a normal human without whining about lying or ass licking for once.

Yes, yes, I quoted directly from your cut and paste job and asked you two questioned based entirely on what you've posted, but I didn't get to your "point."

Great illegal border crossing are down. And they'd be down even more if we built a wall. No one is denying that the majority of drugs come through legal points of entry and that most illegals come here legally.

Do you have anymore strawmen you'd like to ass fuck or are you just sticking with Hondo for the rest of the day.

insinceredawg

SFGbob said:

insinceredawg said:

So to summarize since you didn't get the point..

-Illegal border crossings are down
-Over 50% of illegal immigrants come over legally
-Majority of drugs are smuggled over through legal ports of entry

With that in mind, how effective do you think this wall will actually be? Do you think this wall is a legitimate reason to shut down the government, putting our national security at risk and placing hundreds of thousands of people out of work? Try to respond like a normal human without whining about lying or ass licking for once.

Yes, yes, I quoted directly from your cut and paste job and asked you two questioned based entirely on what you've posted, but I didn't get to your "point."

Great illegal border crossing are down. And they'd be down even more if we built a wall. No one is denying that the majority of drugs come through legal points of entry and that most illegals come here legally.

Do you have anymore strawmen you'd like to ass fuck or are you just sticking with Hondo for the rest of the day.

Great, we agree on the facts. Answer the fucking questions then Kunt.

RaceBannon

Let's do it all

Who's in?

2001400ex

SFGbob said:

insinceredawg said:

So to summarize since you didn't get the point..

-Illegal border crossings are down
-Over 50% of illegal immigrants come over legally
-Majority of drugs are smuggled over through legal ports of entry

With that in mind, how effective do you think this wall will actually be? Do you think this wall is a legitimate reason to shut down the government, putting our national security at risk and placing hundreds of thousands of people out of work? Try to respond like a normal human without whining about lying or ass licking for once.

Yes, yes, I quoted directly from your cut and paste job and asked you two questioned based entirely on what you've posted, but I didn't get to your "point."

Great illegal border crossing are down. And they'd be down even more if we built a wall. No one is denying that the majority of drugs come through legal points of entry and that most illegals come here legally.

Do you have anymore strawmen you'd like to ass fuck or are you just sticking with Hondo for the rest of the day.

I heard Democrats already voted for the wall.

Doogles

I can't believe this is an issue. Wall estimates cost around 25 billion. If it works or not is clearly debatable. Maybe it helps secure the country and save lives. Maybe it's a total waste.

I'm living in a state that is spending 75-100 billion on a train from SF to LA so it can go from a 5.5 hour drive to a 3 hour ride. Just took a 1 hour flight from Sac to LA for 59 bucks, not sure what they plan to charge. Train won't be operational until 2030 or some shit, who knows what transportation technology we have by then.

The wall is just a wall. It will have maintenance costs. Throw some solar panels on it as that tech becomes more efficient. It's just a wall. Best case scenario it benefits the country significantly. Worst case scenario nothing changes but some jobs were created.

Just put it up so the "trumptards" will get a win. If all these numbers show that it did nothing, then the left can shove it down the rights throat. If you are so confident it's not going to do a damn thing to secure the border then beg for it to be built just so you can be right.

insinceredawg

Doogles said:

I can't believe this is an issue. Wall estimates cost around 25 billion. If it works or not is clearly debatable. Maybe it helps secure the country and save lives. Maybe it's a total waste.

I'm living in a state that is spending 75-100 billion on a train from SF to LA so it can go from a 5.5 hour drive to a 3 hour ride. Just took a 1 hour flight from Sac to LA for 59 bucks, not sure what they plan to charge. Train won't be operational until 2030 or some shit, who knows what transportation technology we have by then.

The wall is just a wall. It will have maintenance costs. Throw some solar panels on it as that tech becomes more efficient. It's just a wall. Best case scenario it benefits the country significantly. Worst case scenario nothing changes but some jobs were created.

Just put it up so the "trumptards" will get a win. If all these numbers show that it did nothing, then the left can shove it down the rights throat. If you are so confident it's not going to do a damn thing to secure the border then beg for it to be built just so you can be right.

Let's just throw $25B in taxpayer money at a wall that may or may not work to stop a crisis that may or may not exist. The GOP, the party of fiscal responsibility!

Doogles

insinceredawg said:

Doogles said:

I can't believe this is an issue. Wall estimates cost around 25 billion. If it works or not is clearly debatable. Maybe it helps secure the country and save lives. Maybe it's a total waste.

I'm living in a state that is spending 75-100 billion on a train from SF to LA so it can go from a 5.5 hour drive to a 3 hour ride. Just took a 1 hour flight from Sac to LA for 59 bucks, not sure what they plan to charge. Train won't be operational until 2030 or some shit, who knows what transportation technology we have by then.

The wall is just a wall. It will have maintenance costs. Throw some solar panels on it as that tech becomes more efficient. It's just a wall. Best case scenario it benefits the country significantly. Worst case scenario nothing changes but some jobs were created.

Just put it up so the "trumptards" will get a win. If all these numbers show that it did nothing, then the left can shove it down the rights throat. If you are so confident it's not going to do a damn thing to secure the border then beg for it to be built just so you can be right.

Let's just throw $25B in taxpayer money at a wall that may or may not work to stop a crisis that may or may not exist. The GOP, the party of fiscal responsibility!

The answer is "SarkSure.gif"
I'm not a republican either.
The point is it's a drop in the bucket, we spend a lot more on a lot worse, it is as low-risk high rewards of a bet you can make. Country stops shouting at each other (at least on this issue), we brush our teeth, and move the fuck on.

Doogles

By your logic people should be rioting over the bullet train. What service does it provide? Will people in poverty even be able to afford the train, or will they be stuck on amtrak? Does amtrak implode? Will it be a tourist attraction that generates income?

What could 100 billion do to help solve homelessness in California? Isn't that more pressing than a train that may or may not be obsolete by the time it's completed, if it's completed at all?

SFGbob

The Brown crony train will never be finished. It will be a monument to the one party rule in this state and the 3rd World level of corruption that exists here.

2001400ex

Doogles said:

By your logic people should be rioting over the bullet train. What service does it provide? Will people in poverty even be able to afford the train, or will they be stuck on amtrak? Does amtrak implode? Will it be a tourist attraction that generates income?

What could 100 billion do to help solve homelessness in California? Isn't that more pressing than a train that may or may not be obsolete by the time it's completed, if it's completed at all?

I think the bullet train is worthless and wouldn't spend the money on it. But I'm not in California so whatever.

That being said, I think part of the wall issue is delivery. I'd actually support it if they put out exactly what the funds would be used for. And how it will reduce drugs and illegal immigration. Whereas right now, it's "we need $5 billion cause it's a crisis!!"

insinceredawg

Doogles said:

By your logic people should be rioting over the bullet train. What service does it provide? Will people in poverty even be able to afford the train, or will they be stuck on amtrak? Does amtrak implode? Will it be a tourist attraction that generates income?

What could 100 billion do to help solve homelessness in California? Isn't that more pressing than a train that may or may not be obsolete by the time it's completed, if it's completed at all?

Put the wall on the ballot then. I admit I don't know much about the CA bullet train but I assume it was approved by voters at some point.

RaceBannon

insinceredawg said:

Doogles said:

By your logic people should be rioting over the bullet train. What service does it provide? Will people in poverty even be able to afford the train, or will they be stuck on amtrak? Does amtrak implode? Will it be a tourist attraction that generates income?

What could 100 billion do to help solve homelessness in California? Isn't that more pressing than a train that may or may not be obsolete by the time it's completed, if it's completed at all?

Put the wall on the ballot then. I admit I don't know much about the CA bullet train but I assume it was approved by voters at some point.

Did you miss the 2016 election?

You're arguments are a pile of shit

Secure the border

SFGbob

insinceredawg said:

Doogles said:

By your logic people should be rioting over the bullet train. What service does it provide? Will people in poverty even be able to afford the train, or will they be stuck on amtrak? Does amtrak implode? Will it be a tourist attraction that generates income?

What could 100 billion do to help solve homelessness in California? Isn't that more pressing than a train that may or may not be obsolete by the time it's completed, if it's completed at all?

Put the wall on the ballot then. I admit I don't know much about the CA bullet train but I assume it was approved by voters at some point.

Since we don't have a national referendum system I'm trying to decide it this counts as Sincere being a liar or a dumbfuck.

2001400ex

SFGbob said:

insinceredawg said:

Doogles said:

By your logic people should be rioting over the bullet train. What service does it provide? Will people in poverty even be able to afford the train, or will they be stuck on amtrak? Does amtrak implode? Will it be a tourist attraction that generates income?

What could 100 billion do to help solve homelessness in California? Isn't that more pressing than a train that may or may not be obsolete by the time it's completed, if it's completed at all?

Put the wall on the ballot then. I admit I don't know much about the CA bullet train but I assume it was approved by voters at some point.

Since we don't have a national referendum system I'm trying to decide it this counts as Sincere being a liar or a dumbfuck.

You are a states rights guy. Why don't you support each state determining how they should protect the border?

RaceBannon

The voters approved 9 billion in 2008

Current cost is 77 billion

Miles of rail is zero

But walls don't work and we can't afford them

People still go hungry. Food stamps don't work

Fire_Marshall_Bill

400,000 just in just one year? That's a small number? Live in a southern border state. Live in Houston, SA, Brownsville, Hell Paso, Phx, Tucson, Yuma, SD, Inland Empire, LA, Fresneck, and all points in between. You'll get it...or you'll be a leftist who wants open borders, in which case you'll be an idiot