Bob thinks social security and Medicare aren't taxes that matter anymore.
Since SS caps your benefits and Medicare offers the same care across the board, should people that pay more be entitled to higher SS benefits and better Medicare coverage?
And yes I’m for a flat tax with a national sales tax.
National sales tax? Fuck that.
Well people who pay more into SS do get more benefits. The amount you receive is directly related to the amount you paid in.
For flat tax, that's my point. That Bob is missing because he's not looking at the big picture and purely looking at "income tax". People scream about "top 1% pay 40% of all taxes". Well they also make 20% of the income. And pay only 4% of SS and Medicare. I can't find what that averages to, but when all are combined, they don't pay an amount of taxes that's out of whack for the income they earn. Same with lower incomes, when you factor in SS and Medicare, their tax liability based on income isn't out of whack for the amount of income they earn.
Since there is no income cap on Medicare taxes I'll call it right now. Your 4% number is bullshit. I didn't miss any "big picture" Kunt. I was talking solely and specifically about income taxes and who pays them. You, Mr. Reading Comprehension Kunt misread what I said, either intentionally or on account of the fact that you're a dumbfuck and lied about what I had actually said. If anyone missed anything it was you Hondo.
Bob thinks social security and Medicare aren't taxes that matter anymore.
Since SS caps your benefits and Medicare offers the same care across the board, should people that pay more be entitled to higher SS benefits and better Medicare coverage?
And yes I’m for a flat tax with a national sales tax.
National sales tax? Fuck that.
Well people who pay more into SS do get more benefits. The amount you receive is directly related to the amount you paid in.
For flat tax, that's my point. That Bob is missing because he's not looking at the big picture and purely looking at "income tax". People scream about "top 1% pay 40% of all taxes". Well they also make 20% of the income. And pay only 4% of SS and Medicare. I can't find what that averages to, but when all are combined, they don't pay an amount of taxes that's out of whack for the income they earn. Same with lower incomes, when you factor in SS and Medicare, their tax liability based on income isn't out of whack for the amount of income they earn.
Since there is no income cap on Medicare taxes I'll call it right now. Your 4% number is bullshit. I didn't miss any "big picture" Kunt. I was talking solely and specifically about income taxes and who pays them. You, Mr. Reading Comprehension Kunt misread what I said, either intentionally or on account of the fact that you're a dumbfuck and lied about what I had actually said. If anyone missed anything it was you Hondo.
I'm not doing the leg work in order to support your lying twat of a mouth Hondo. There is no cap on earned income that is subject to the Medicare tax. So even if you have a million dollar a year salary all of that is subject to the 1.45% pay roll tax and if you're self-employed you pay a 2.9% Medicare tax on all of your earned income. There is also and additional .9% Medicare tax for high income earners making a self employed person earning a Million a year subject to a 3.7% Medicare tax on all earned income. There is little doubt that the top one percent of income earners pay much greater than 4% of all Medicare taxes.
But you're both a liar and dumbfuck so you claim they don't.
Look at Hondo dance like the fucking Kunt he is. Notice how the original claims that I was lying and making claims on account of "extreme ignorance" are no longer even mentioned. Hondo the dishonest Kunt has a new line of bullshit he'll try and get you to chase after. Hondo, who never backs up his lying twat of a mouth, now demands that I do the research to support his mouth. Like most liberals, Hondo the Kunt expect others to work for him.
I've already provided the numbers that show you're a liar Hondo.
Bob thinks social security and Medicare aren't taxes that matter anymore.
Since SS caps your benefits and Medicare offers the same care across the board, should people that pay more be entitled to higher SS benefits and better Medicare coverage?
And yes I’m for a flat tax with a national sales tax.
National sales tax? Fuck that.
Well people who pay more into SS do get more benefits. The amount you receive is directly related to the amount you paid in.
For flat tax, that's my point. That Bob is missing because he's not looking at the big picture and purely looking at "income tax". People scream about "top 1% pay 40% of all taxes". Well they also make 20% of the income. And pay only 4% of SS and Medicare. I can't find what that averages to, but when all are combined, they don't pay an amount of taxes that's out of whack for the income they earn. Same with lower incomes, when you factor in SS and Medicare, their tax liability based on income isn't out of whack for the amount of income they earn.
Social security taxes are capped at a specific income, I believe $150k, I could be wrong. If you increase the cap then the 1% would pay more, but you can't do that without increasing their distribution at retirement.
My point with National Sales tax, is that everybody pays it. And if the 1% wants to buy a $300,000 Ferrari, they pay a tax on that. If you do that you can decrease the income tax to around 15-20% across the board. Also, cap tax credits to zero. No more getting back more than what you paid in.
I could favor a national sales tax but only if they eliminated the income tax or went to a strict 15% flat tax that could only by raised by a 2/3s vote. Same with the sales tax rate. Otherwise you get the worst of both worlds.
As it is now, the bottom 50% of income earners pay little if any income taxes. They have zero incentive too keep income tax rates low because they don't pay them. Top 5% of income earners are paying nearly 50% of all the income taxes. And you don't need to be rich in order to find yourself in the top 5% of all income earners.
Look at Hondo dance like the fucking Kunt he is. Notice how the original claims that I was lying and making claims on account of "extreme ignorance" are no longer even mentioned. Hondo the dishonest Kunt has a new line of bullshit he'll try and get you to chase after. Hondo, who never backs up his lying twat of a mouth, now demands that I do the research to support his mouth. Like most liberals, Hondo the Kunt expect others to work for him.
I've already provided the numbers that show you're a liar Hondo.
No you haven't provided numbers that prove I'm wrong. You also forget than many among the wealthy primarily have income through capital gains, which aren't subject to SS and Medicare. Seriously Google it.
I could favor a national sales tax but only if they eliminated the income tax or went to a strict 15% flat tax that could only by raised by a 2/3s vote. Same with the sales tax rate. Otherwise you get the worst of both worlds.
As it is now, the bottom 50% of income earners pay little if any income taxes. They have zero incentive too keep income tax rates low because they don't pay them. Top 5% of income earners are paying nearly 50% of all the income taxes. And you don't need to be rich in order to find yourself in the top 5% of all income earners.
Again, when you start looking at things like sales tax. You need to include SS and Medicare. Something like 40% of government revenue is from Personal income tax and 30% are from SS and Medicare.
I do chuckle at how like 30 posts in you still have zero clue what I'm getting at.
Look at Hondo dance like the fucking Kunt he is. Notice how the original claims that I was lying and making claims on account of "extreme ignorance" are no longer even mentioned. Hondo the dishonest Kunt has a new line of bullshit he'll try and get you to chase after. Hondo, who never backs up his lying twat of a mouth, now demands that I do the research to support his mouth. Like most liberals, Hondo the Kunt expect others to work for him.
I've already provided the numbers that show you're a liar Hondo.
No you haven't provided numbers that prove I'm wrong. You also forget than many among the wealthy primarily have income through capital gains, which aren't subject to SS and Medicare. Seriously Google it.
I didn't forget a fucking thing Kunt. Funny how Mr. Reading Comprehension didn't notice that every time I referred to income I referred to it as either "earned income" or "salary" neither of which come from capital gains and are fully subject to both SS and Medicare taxes. You're a fucking liar and moron Hondo.
I could favor a national sales tax but only if they eliminated the income tax or went to a strict 15% flat tax that could only by raised by a 2/3s vote. Same with the sales tax rate. Otherwise you get the worst of both worlds.
As it is now, the bottom 50% of income earners pay little if any income taxes. They have zero incentive too keep income tax rates low because they don't pay them. Top 5% of income earners are paying nearly 50% of all the income taxes. And you don't need to be rich in order to find yourself in the top 5% of all income earners.
Again, when you start looking at things like sales tax. You need to include SS and Medicare. Something like 40% of government revenue is from Personal income tax and 30% are from SS and Medicare.
I do chuckle at how like 30 posts in you still have zero clue what I'm getting at.
I get exactly what you're getting at Kunt. You talked out your ass when you claimed my statement about income taxes and who pays what percentage was a lie and you've now spent two days dancing like a fucking Kunt trying to toss as much shit against the wall as you can hoping something sticks rather than just admit that you had your head up your ass. It's your standard MO. The fact that you're still trying to talk about SS and Medicare when my initial claim had nothing to do with either of them, and the fact that you lied your ass off and claimed that both SS and Medicare were income taxes, and that you lied about what I actually said in my initial statements shows exactly what you're "getting at" Hondo.
You're a zero integrity Kunt who would chew your own pecker off first before you ever admitted you had your head up your ass.
Look at Hondo dance like the fucking Kunt he is. Notice how the original claims that I was lying and making claims on account of "extreme ignorance" are no longer even mentioned. Hondo the dishonest Kunt has a new line of bullshit he'll try and get you to chase after. Hondo, who never backs up his lying twat of a mouth, now demands that I do the research to support his mouth. Like most liberals, Hondo the Kunt expect others to work for him.
I've already provided the numbers that show you're a liar Hondo.
No you haven't provided numbers that prove I'm wrong. You also forget than many among the wealthy primarily have income through capital gains, which aren't subject to SS and Medicare. Seriously Google it.
This is classic Hondo the Kunt. His mouth is moving but he is saying nothing in response to anything that the other person said.
The entire point of contention was over your claim that this statement by me was a lie: Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
Since I was always talking about earned income and not capital gains all of the income being referred to was subject to the the Medicare tax and up until the SS cap, all of that income is subject to the SS tax. So again, the person who "forgot" something was Hondo the stupid Kunt. But it sure gave him the opportunity to run his mouth with an irrelevant statement against a claim no one was making.
Look at Hondo dance like the fucking Kunt he is. Notice how the original claims that I was lying and making claims on account of "extreme ignorance" are no longer even mentioned. Hondo the dishonest Kunt has a new line of bullshit he'll try and get you to chase after. Hondo, who never backs up his lying twat of a mouth, now demands that I do the research to support his mouth. Like most liberals, Hondo the Kunt expect others to work for him.
I've already provided the numbers that show you're a liar Hondo.
No you haven't provided numbers that prove I'm wrong. You also forget than many among the wealthy primarily have income through capital gains, which aren't subject to SS and Medicare. Seriously Google it.
This is classic Hondo the Kunt. His mouth is moving but he is saying nothing in response to anything that the other person said.
The entire point of contention was over your claim that this statement by me was a lie: Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
Since I was always talking about earned income and not capital gains all of the income being referred to was subject to the the Medicare tax and up until the SS cap, all of that income is subject to the SS tax. So again, the person who "forgot" something was Hondo the stupid Kunt. But it sure gave him the opportunity to run his mouth with an irrelevant statement against a claim no one was making.
I'll type this slowly and one last time. Yes you stated a fact that 1% pay almost 40% of income taxes and trying to make judgements based on that. But see what I'm doing is adding context. It's like saying UW had 444 yards in the Rose bowl and not talking about anything else. So saying that they also make 20% of the money is adding context. And saying they only pay 4% of SS and Medicare, which are also based on earned income, is adding context. And saying that 40% of total government funding is from personal income tax and 30% is from SS and Medicare is also adding context.
You apparently only want to focus on one individual thing and not the entire picture. Which is embarrassing.
So you add "context" by calling factual statements "lies" and then add more "context" by lying about what the other person actually said:
So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true.
and then you add additional "context" by lying and claim that payroll taxes are really income taxes. And then to top it all off you add more "context" by talking about income through capital gains which was never part of the 40% number I initially cited.
Btw, your "context" that the top 1% only pay 4% of the Medicare taxes is a fucking lie. But that's how you add "context" isn't it Hondo? You lie, you fuck strawman ass and then dance around like a fucking Kunt never even attempting to back up your worthless twat of a mouth.
You mean the "lie" that you were forced to admit was factual Hondo? My statement was a statement of fact. And the only reason you think it was a lie using statistics is because you had to lie about what you thought I had actually said:
So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true.
I read you to be saying you want to suck a 10 year old Mexican boy's dick Hondo. That's just the way I read it. I'm giving your statement "Context" Hondo.
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I've yet to see you be right about anything Hondo.
But you're both a liar and dumbfuck so you claim they don't.
I've already provided the numbers that show you're a liar Hondo.
My point with National Sales tax, is that everybody pays it. And if the 1% wants to buy a $300,000 Ferrari, they pay a tax on that. If you do that you can decrease the income tax to around 15-20% across the board. Also, cap tax credits to zero. No more getting back more than what you paid in.
I could favor a national sales tax but only if they eliminated the income tax or went to a strict 15% flat tax that could only by raised by a 2/3s vote. Same with the sales tax rate. Otherwise you get the worst of both worlds.
As it is now, the bottom 50% of income earners pay little if any income taxes. They have zero incentive too keep income tax rates low because they don't pay them. Top 5% of income earners are paying nearly 50% of all the income taxes. And you don't need to be rich in order to find yourself in the top 5% of all income earners.
I do chuckle at how like 30 posts in you still have zero clue what I'm getting at.
You're a zero integrity Kunt who would chew your own pecker off first before you ever admitted you had your head up your ass.
The entire point of contention was over your claim that this statement by me was a lie:
Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
Since I was always talking about earned income and not capital gains all of the income being referred to was subject to the the Medicare tax and up until the SS cap, all of that income is subject to the SS tax. So again, the person who "forgot" something was Hondo the stupid Kunt. But it sure gave him the opportunity to run his mouth with an irrelevant statement against a claim no one was making.
You apparently only want to focus on one individual thing and not the entire picture. Which is embarrassing.
So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true.
and then you add additional "context" by lying and claim that payroll taxes are really income taxes. And then to top it all off you add more "context" by talking about income through capital gains which was never part of the 40% number I initially cited.
Btw, your "context" that the top 1% only pay 4% of the Medicare taxes is a fucking lie. But that's how you add "context" isn't it Hondo? You lie, you fuck strawman ass and then dance around like a fucking Kunt never even attempting to back up your worthless twat of a mouth.
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So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true.
I read you to be saying you want to suck a 10 year old Mexican boy's dick Hondo. That's just the way I read it. I'm giving your statement "Context" Hondo.