Meanwhile at USC...
https://247sports.com/Player/Tuasivi-Nomura-46039587/
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They're on a roll with the sub par offers right now. Deciding to compete with the Utah State, Georgia Tech and Duke's of the world.insinceredawg said:Just offered a 195lb LB who's other offers are Utah State, Iowa State, and Colorado
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go down, win a couple battles, get your swag back and try to make it back up with the big boys
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Let's not try to overblow things by selectively reporting which schools have the offered him.insinceredawg said:Just offered a 195lb LB who's other offers are Utah State, Iowa State, and Colorado
https://247sports.com/Player/Tuasivi-Nomura-46039587/
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literal chortle.bananasnblondes said:
Let's not try to overblow things by selectively reporting which schools have the offered him.insinceredawg said:Just offered a 195lb LB who's other offers are Utah State, Iowa State, and Colorado
https://247sports.com/Player/Tuasivi-Nomura-46039587/
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Seems to the casual observer that only UO and UW care about recruiting.
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Lehman’s terms?Dennis_DeYoung said:
literal chortle.bananasnblondes said:
Let's not try to overblow things by selectively reporting which schools have the offered him.insinceredawg said:Just offered a 195lb LB who's other offers are Utah State, Iowa State, and Colorado
https://247sports.com/Player/Tuasivi-Nomura-46039587/
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USC has been through a lot of shitty times and shitty coaches these last 30 years, but their ability to draw top notch talent always held constant. I don’t know if LA kids these days are a lot more willing to go long distance for school, or if Helton really is this special of an idiot, but I am loving this new trend.
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Just wait until Ivan gets a hold of him!!!bananasnblondes said:
Let's not try to overblow things by selectively reporting which schools have the offered him.insinceredawg said:Just offered a 195lb LB who's other offers are Utah State, Iowa State, and Colorado
https://247sports.com/Player/Tuasivi-Nomura-46039587/
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USC was on him early scaring off Pac 12 schools. The small schools just put in a courtesy offer to say they went up against USC. This kid bleeds cardinal and gold and has a high motor and WANTS to be a player. Willie McGinnest was a one star slightly crippled walk on and he did OK
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So they offered BBK?
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When did we ever think USC would start going after “diamonds in the rough”?
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Jeepers!greenblood said:When did we ever think USC would start going after “diamonds in the rough”?
It’s almost like Helton stole Mike Reilly’s recruiting playbook. -
I think social media has cast such a large net nowadays that croots can be contacted, included, and influenced to a way greater degree than in the past.GreenRiverGatorz said:USC has been through a lot of shitty times and shitty coaches these last 30 years, but their ability to draw top notch talent always held constant. I don’t know if LA kids these days are a lot more willing to go long distance for school, or if Helton really is this special of an idiot, but I am loving this new trend.
Before, kids would make their peer connections through physical contact in camps and visits, offficial and unofficial - and shot like phone calls.
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I think social media has cast such a large net nowadays that croots can be contacted, included, and influenced to a way greater degree than in the past.GreenRiverGatorz said:USC has been through a lot of shitty times and shitty coaches these last 30 years, but their ability to draw top notch talent always held constant. I don’t know if LA kids these days are a lot more willing to go long distance for school, or if Helton really is this special of an idiot, but I am loving this new trend.
Before, kids would make their peer connections through physical contact in camps and visits, offficial and unofficial - and shit like phone calls.
Now? Even the most rookie internet user has burner accounts on Twitter lol and know how to make recruiting edits... -
greenblood said:
When did we ever think USC would start going after “diamonds in the rough”?
It’s almost like Helton stole Mike Reilly’s recruiting playbook.
It’s comical. It’s like Helton hears the criticism of how he doesn’t win with 5 stars and instead of looking at the lack of development Sark ingratiated into that culture and that he has continued, he watches Pete’s signing day press conferences and says “Oh you’re right Pete, the reason I’m not winning is because Stars are overrated & we need to be better talent evaluators so we can find the Aaron Fullers of the world”. -
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator. -
The number of commits is the problem. Oregon and UW are going to sign close to all 20 of their commits during early signing period. That means UW and Oregon can use all their resources on 5-6 kids, whereas USC is going to be spread thin for about 12-13 prospects. Not having a bowl game helps USC on that end, but it's still going to be difficult for them. Add to the fact that Kliff could possibly be poached by the NFL, USC may have to recruit kids when they don't even an OC. This is as bad as I've ever seen USC recruiting and I've been following it since around 2000.dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
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dawgs206 said:
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
I always look at the bottom of a class. This class is so amazing to me because there are no head scratchers. For our “worst” recruits to be Miki Ah Yu and Alphonzo Tuputala is so incredibly good and shows how much better we’ve gotten even compared to last years awesome class.
That being said, I would take Ah Yu and Tuputala any day of the week over Tufono. That means USC’s third highest recruit would be UDUB’s “worst” recruit. Think about that. -
Kliff should be out in full force saying no on the NFL front if he really wants to stay at USC, but it appears he didn't want to wait it out. It's going to be very easy for programs to recruit against Kliff for the next 6 weeks because of all the rumors. Even if he's there one year, it's doubtful he stays more than one. Another fine move by Helton.greenblood said:
The number of commits is the problem. Oregon and UW are going to sign close to all 20 of their commits during early signing period. That means UW and Oregon can use all their resources on 5-6 kids, whereas USC is going to be spread thin for about 12-13 prospects. Not having a bowl game helps USC on that end, but it's still going to be difficult for them. Add to the fact that Kliff could possibly be poached by the NFL, USC may have to recruit kids when they don't even an OC. This is as bad as I've ever seen USC recruiting and I've been following it since around 2000.dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
This class could end up worse than the USC classes that were on probation. -
Horn is probably our worst recruit, not just rating wise and not just because he’s a kicker but because he doesn’t appear to be a good kicker and kicker is one position I definitely do not “trust the coaches.”LaMichael_Corleone said:dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
I always look at the bottom of a class. This class is so amazing to me because there are no head scratchers. For our “worst” recruits to be Miki Ah Yu and Alphonzo Tuputala is so incredibly good and shows how much better we’ve gotten even compared to last years awesome class.
That being said, I would take Ah Yu and Tuputala any day of the week over Tufono. That means USC’s third highest recruit would be UDUB’s “worst” recruit. Think about that. -
Damaged goods IMOFreeChavez said:
Kliff should be out in full force saying no on the NFL front if he really wants to stay at USC, but it appears he didn't want to wait it out. It's going to be very easy for programs to recruit against Kliff for the next 6 weeks because of all the rumors. Even if he's there one year, it's doubtful he stays more than one. Another fine move by Helton.greenblood said:
The number of commits is the problem. Oregon and UW are going to sign close to all 20 of their commits during early signing period. That means UW and Oregon can use all their resources on 5-6 kids, whereas USC is going to be spread thin for about 12-13 prospects. Not having a bowl game helps USC on that end, but it's still going to be difficult for them. Add to the fact that Kliff could possibly be poached by the NFL, USC may have to recruit kids when they don't even an OC. This is as bad as I've ever seen USC recruiting and I've been following it since around 2000.dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
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Recruiting kickers is all about luck. Look at Boswell for the Steelers. One of the better kickers the last couple years, this year he's about to be cut. Let's also not forget Aguayo. He wins the Groza award, and finishes his career as one of the best college kickers in history. He then gets drafted in the 2nd Round and after the worst pct. of any kicker that year, he gets waived and hasn't kicked a meaningful field goal sense.HillsboroDuck said:
Horn is probably our worst recruit, not just rating wise and not just because he’s a kicker but because he doesn’t appear to be a good kicker and kicker is one position I definitely do not “trust the coaches.”LaMichael_Corleone said:dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
I always look at the bottom of a class. This class is so amazing to me because there are no head scratchers. For our “worst” recruits to be Miki Ah Yu and Alphonzo Tuputala is so incredibly good and shows how much better we’ve gotten even compared to last years awesome class.
That being said, I would take Ah Yu and Tuputala any day of the week over Tufono. That means USC’s third highest recruit would be UDUB’s “worst” recruit. Think about that.
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If horn could even just kick it for a touchback at this point that’s a massive improvement. Relieves our shitty coverage team of messing up the game.greenblood said:
Recruiting kickers is all about luck. It's such a mental position that you can't predict it. These guys can go from great to bust mid game. Look at Boswell for the Steelers. One of the better kickers the last couple years, this year he's about to be cut. Let's also not forget Aguayo. He wins the Groza award. Finishes his career as one of the best college kickers in history. He then gets drafted in the 2nd Round and after the worst pct. of any kicker that year, he gets waived and hasn't kicked a meaningful field goal sense.HillsboroDuck said:
Horn is probably our worst recruit, not just rating wise and not just because he’s a kicker but because he doesn’t appear to be a good kicker and kicker is one position I definitely do not “trust the coaches.”LaMichael_Corleone said:dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
I always look at the bottom of a class. This class is so amazing to me because there are no head scratchers. For our “worst” recruits to be Miki Ah Yu and Alphonzo Tuputala is so incredibly good and shows how much better we’ve gotten even compared to last years awesome class.
That being said, I would take Ah Yu and Tuputala any day of the week over Tufono. That means USC’s third highest recruit would be UDUB’s “worst” recruit. Think about that.
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That's true about kickoffs. Leg strength says it all. But the actual art of kicking accuracy is just nuts.AtomicDawg said:
If horn could even just kick it for a touchback at this point that’s a massive improvement. Relieves our shitty coverage team of messing up the game.greenblood said:
Recruiting kickers is all about luck. It's such a mental position that you can't predict it. These guys can go from great to bust mid game. Look at Boswell for the Steelers. One of the better kickers the last couple years, this year he's about to be cut. Let's also not forget Aguayo. He wins the Groza award. Finishes his career as one of the best college kickers in history. He then gets drafted in the 2nd Round and after the worst pct. of any kicker that year, he gets waived and hasn't kicked a meaningful field goal sense.HillsboroDuck said:
Horn is probably our worst recruit, not just rating wise and not just because he’s a kicker but because he doesn’t appear to be a good kicker and kicker is one position I definitely do not “trust the coaches.”LaMichael_Corleone said:dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
I always look at the bottom of a class. This class is so amazing to me because there are no head scratchers. For our “worst” recruits to be Miki Ah Yu and Alphonzo Tuputala is so incredibly good and shows how much better we’ve gotten even compared to last years awesome class.
That being said, I would take Ah Yu and Tuputala any day of the week over Tufono. That means USC’s third highest recruit would be UDUB’s “worst” recruit. Think about that.
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Agree. I said this in another thread. UW (and most of the Pac-12 - won't give you Oregon cause, well, check the decommitment thread over on the Refuge) will sign most/all of their commits on Wednesday. We'll? be able to go big after 3-4 commits while SC has half their class to fill out. I think this is going to be a big class for them too, right? The KK rumors are hilarious. If he leaves, hello Ford.greenblood said:
The number of commits is the problem. Oregon and UW are going to sign close to all 20 of their commits during early signing period. That means UW and Oregon can use all their resources on 5-6 kids, whereas USC is going to be spread thin for about 12-13 prospects. Not having a bowl game helps USC on that end, but it's still going to be difficult for them. Add to the fact that Kliff could possibly be poached by the NFL, USC may have to recruit kids when they don't even an OC. This is as bad as I've ever seen USC recruiting and I've been following it since around 2000.dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
This class could end up worse than the USC classes that were on probation.
Edit- I went back and looked at the SC classes while on sanctions. They were still getting the best talent, just reduced numbers. In 2013 they only signed 13 kids, but they were all in the top 210 according to the 247 composite, which is nuts. -
We'll see on Wednesday. Once the kids sign they can't decommit. So unless something major happens between now and Wednesday, Oregon will have close to 20 commits locked up.dawgs206 said:
Agree. I said this in another thread. UW (and most of the Pac-12 - won't give you Oregon cause, well, check the decommitment thread over on the Refuge) will sign most/all of their commits on Wednesday. We'll? be able to go big after 3-4 commits while SC has half their class to fill out. I think this is going to be a big class for them too, right? The KK rumors are hilarious. If he leaves, hello Ford.greenblood said:
The number of commits is the problem. Oregon and UW are going to sign close to all 20 of their commits during early signing period. That means UW and Oregon can use all their resources on 5-6 kids, whereas USC is going to be spread thin for about 12-13 prospects. Not having a bowl game helps USC on that end, but it's still going to be difficult for them. Add to the fact that Kliff could possibly be poached by the NFL, USC may have to recruit kids when they don't even an OC. This is as bad as I've ever seen USC recruiting and I've been following it since around 2000.dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
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You mean like Brandon Kahogreenblood said:
We'll see on Wednesday. Once the kids sign they can't decommit. So unless something major happens between now and Wednesday, Oregon will have close to 20 commits locked up.dawgs206 said:
Agree. I said this in another thread. UW (and most of the Pac-12 - won't give you Oregon cause, well, check the decommitment thread over on the Refuge) will sign most/all of their commits on Wednesday. We'll? be able to go big after 3-4 commits while SC has half their class to fill out. I think this is going to be a big class for them too, right? The KK rumors are hilarious. If he leaves, hello Ford.greenblood said:
The number of commits is the problem. Oregon and UW are going to sign close to all 20 of their commits during early signing period. That means UW and Oregon can use all their resources on 5-6 kids, whereas USC is going to be spread thin for about 12-13 prospects. Not having a bowl game helps USC on that end, but it's still going to be difficult for them. Add to the fact that Kliff could possibly be poached by the NFL, USC may have to recruit kids when they don't even an OC. This is as bad as I've ever seen USC recruiting and I've been following it since around 2000.dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
This class could end up worse than the USC classes that were on probation.
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touche...toucheFecalFeast said:
You mean like Brandon Kahogreenblood said:
We'll see on Wednesday. Once the kids sign they can't decommit. So unless something major happens between now and Wednesday, Oregon will have close to 20 commits locked up.dawgs206 said:
Agree. I said this in another thread. UW (and most of the Pac-12 - won't give you Oregon cause, well, check the decommitment thread over on the Refuge) will sign most/all of their commits on Wednesday. We'll? be able to go big after 3-4 commits while SC has half their class to fill out. I think this is going to be a big class for them too, right? The KK rumors are hilarious. If he leaves, hello Ford.greenblood said:
The number of commits is the problem. Oregon and UW are going to sign close to all 20 of their commits during early signing period. That means UW and Oregon can use all their resources on 5-6 kids, whereas USC is going to be spread thin for about 12-13 prospects. Not having a bowl game helps USC on that end, but it's still going to be difficult for them. Add to the fact that Kliff could possibly be poached by the NFL, USC may have to recruit kids when they don't even an OC. This is as bad as I've ever seen USC recruiting and I've been following it since around 2000.dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
This class could end up worse than the USC classes that were on probation.
I'm hoping Cristobal puts some restraints on where the kids can go if that happens. I would make sure most of the top 25 are on that list. -
I’ll take your word for it if you know what I mean.HillsboroDuck said:
Horn is probably our worst recruit, not just rating wise and not just because he’s a kicker but because he doesn’t appear to be a good kicker and kicker is one position I definitely do not “trust the coaches.”LaMichael_Corleone said:dawgs206 said:https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
Take a look at their current commits. The bottom half of their class is not good and the top half is nothing special. They'll definitely close with a handful of big targets cause they're SC, but fans are going to be scared in a few days when they only 11-13 LOI's in. Tufono is their 3rd highest rated commit currently. This class sucks. If they land 80% of the top rated recruits they're after they'll still only finish around 10th based on class calculator.
I always look at the bottom of a class. This class is so amazing to me because there are no head scratchers. For our “worst” recruits to be Miki Ah Yu and Alphonzo Tuputala is so incredibly good and shows how much better we’ve gotten even compared to last years awesome class.
That being said, I would take Ah Yu and Tuputala any day of the week over Tufono. That means USC’s third highest recruit would be UDUB’s “worst” recruit. Think about that. -
It’s not even that. I’ve listened to a few of the USC recruiting pods because I enjoy schadenfreud.LaMichael_Corleone said:greenblood said:When did we ever think USC would start going after “diamonds in the rough”?
It’s almost like Helton stole Mike Reilly’s recruiting playbook.
It’s comical. It’s like Helton hears the criticism of how he doesn’t win with 5 stars and instead of looking at the lack of development Sark ingratiated into that culture and that he has continued, he watches Pete’s signing day press conferences and says “Oh you’re right Pete, the reason I’m not winning is because Stars are overrated & we need to be better talent evaluators so we can find the Aaron Fullers of the world”.
According to their lead recruiting editor, only Nansen and Martin were full time recruiters. They had 3 coaches who were part time recruiters and another 4 that didn’t recruit at all. Literally had other coaches build the relationships then when it came time to do in homes, they’d ask ok who am I visiting and what do they like. From a fucking position coach!
So all that is left is unheralded 3 stars with Mountain West offers.
When your team is winning and is USC it worked and they closed late. But when the team is 5-7 and fire half the staff and haven’t done any in season recruiting except two guys (one of which you fired), then you can’t close late just because it’s USC. Especially when UW and UO are closing early.
Edit: making it a TL:DR post.... read below.
Throw in the fact that they don’t practice in pads at all during the season to keep from injuries (hint: it’s Ivan, not practicing in pads), and it’s just a fucking shit show that is hilarious to watch.
All the guys who cover USC are exacerbated because no one is recruiting and they only do walk-thrus in practice and the schemes are pure shit that rely on out talenting people (aka Darnold go make a play or Daniels throw it up to St Brown or Pittman).
It’s fucking awesome to see, but won’t last forever. Which is why it’s so critical that Pete levels up now (which he is) and continues to do so. It’ll be a fair fight when they get a real coach in there because UW will be on every kids mind regardless of USC.
